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Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:10 pm

This just hit a subscriber only newswire.

- Emirates have Ordered 4 more A380s
- Emirates have re-affirmed their commitment to all current 43 A380 orders

Source via http://www.bloomberg.com

Will provide more detail on their fleets intentions and a link to the article when it is available

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:15 pm

So much for the folks who swore EK would cancel at least half of the a380 order after the latest round of delays. I have to admit that I also wonder what they will do with all that capacity, but right now they seem commited to the order.
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
I have to admit that I also wonder what they will do with all that capacity, but right now they seem commited to the order.

It also seems a strangly small top-up but it's good news for the A380 programme - right that 4 down, 16 to go for the 20 new orders this year the JL is looking for.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:26 pm

Good for the A380 project and EK. Are these 4 for the rumoured LCC Emirates are ' thinking about thinking about'?
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:27 pm

Fair use excerpt from the article which should be available on the EADS website shortly;

By Andrea Rothman

May 7 (Bloomberg) -- Emirates, the largest customer for Airbus SAS's 555-seat 380, ordered an additional four of the superjumbos, worth $1.3 billion at catalogue price, bringing its total order to 47 planes.

''A repeat order for the A380 from a leading airline like Emirates is a huge vote of confidence for Airbus,'' Airbus Chief Executive Louis Gallois said in a statement sent by email. Emirates also affirmed its order for 45 the 555-seat A380s.


[END - Fair use excerpt http://www.bloomberg.com Do a search under EAD FP ]

This shows 47 direct orders now from Airbus but it states that EK has affirmed it's order for 45 which would imply that they are still to take 2 from ILFC.

That leaves the question, the 45 original included 2 leased from ILFC, so it's 47 direct but no mention is made of the frames they would have taken from ILFC. What has become of those 2 frames?

The article goes on to mention that EK will take delivery of their first A380 in Q3 2008

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:34 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
This just hit a subscriber only newswire.

- Emirates have Ordered 4 more A380s
- Emirates have re-affirmed their commitment to all current 43 A380 orders

This is indeed wonderful news for the A380 and another great vote of confidence from the largest customer.

In the past 6 months we have seen the three largest A380 customers (QF,SQ,EK) increase their commitment to the A380, it will now be interesting to see if Lufthansa, the fourth largest customer will join the club and increase its order in the near future.

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:39 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
It also seems a strangly small top-up but it's good news for the A380 programme - right that 4 down, 16 to go for the 20 new orders this year the JL is looking for.

Japan Airlines?? wow, that's marvellous!  Wink
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:39 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
EK has affirmed it's order for 45 which would imply that they are still to take 2 from ILFC

This doesn't really make a lot of sense to me ... what's the logic in buying 47 (now) of these beasts and then leasing (possibly) two from ILFC?

1) If you're buying 47, cash obviously isn't the sticking point.
2) If you're leasing for easy increase/reduction in capacity then two really isn't going to make much difference (it's 4.25 percent).

Did EK baulk at a previous lease agreement, and ILFC is holding onto some cash that EK wants back? Looking at this from an outsider's point-of-view, it doesn't make any sense.

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
That leaves the question, the 45 original included 2 leased from ILFC, so it's 47 direct but no mention is made of the frames they would have taken from ILFC. What has become of those 2 frames?

It could be that as ILFChave deferred their order to 2013, EK is getting these sooner so has replaced the leased with directly bought but I can't see them getting all of their frames in 4 years?

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 6):

Japan Airlines?? wow, that's marvellous!

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:45 pm

I'm going to be absolutely fascinated to see what sort of route network 47 of the planes are used to support. Do we know how long it will be before EK has them all in hand?
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:49 pm

Is my math correct, $1,300,000,000 / 4 = $325,000,000
Did anything happen to the A380 price? don't you think it is bit higher than the other 43??

Anyway, congrats to Emirates & Airbus Industries, i don't think that others will sit and wait longer i am sure there will be another order especially in Paris Airshow.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:49 pm

Good news for Airbus Industry!!! Hopefully, more and more airlines submit orders for this great aircraft.
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:53 pm

For those who are interested(*), this takes the current engine share to:

RR 75 (50%) from 7 airline customers
EA 62 (41%) from 3 airline customers
?? 13 (9%) from 3 airlines

(*) And for those of you who are not in the least bit interested, the numbers are exactly the same!  Big grin
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 11):
Did anything happen to the A380 price? don't you think it is bit higher than the other 43??

Well it is six years since their first order.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 6:57 pm

Thanks for the breakdown, PM, on the engines. Any EK cancellation would have been devastating to the GP7200 program. I'm sure there are happy folks at GE and Pratt, as well as Toulouse.
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
Any EK cancellation would have been devastating to the GP7200 program.

Don't firget, they've already lost FedEx and UPS. They used to be ahead of RR in the race. Then two of their customers cancelled while SQ and QF re-ordered planes with RR. But, in truth, neither RR nor the EA has much to celebrate with regard to the A380.

Yet.  Wink
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
Any EK cancellation would have been devastating to the GP7200 program.

Ooh. I just quoted the wrong person. Apologies to you both.  ashamed 
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 11):
Is my math correct, $1,300,000,000 / 4 = $325,000,000
Did anything happen to the A380 price? don't you think it is bit higher than the other 43??

The key phrase is "at catalogue prices".

There is also some other interesting "verbage" in the PRs.

Quote:
having now fully settled all past issues

So, has the A380 delay compensation been worked out on this order for 4 more, or is this a hint at the rumoured A330/A350 order to come?  

[edited to remove repeated word]

[Edited 2007-05-07 12:21:55]
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
So much for the folks who swore EK would cancel at least half of the a380 order after the latest round of delays.

Yeah commiserations to those people lol...

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
This is indeed wonderful news for the A380 and another great vote of confidence from the largest customer.

Yes Congrats to Airbus and EK  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 7:36 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 18):
is this a hint at the rumoured A330/A350 order to come?

Hope so, that would be great for the A350.

With 47 planes on order as well as 2 being leased, wouldn't it be better to have ordered five in a PR sense and such. Then they would have a total of 50 planes. Wouldn't it sound good in the customers ears - "Not only do we have double the number of Airbus A380's, the worlds most green aircraft, but we have a staggering 50 {emphasis on the 50} of them on order."

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 7:40 pm

Any word on "delay" compensation, if any? At one point, did EK not expect tens, if not hundred's of millions of dollars in compensation from A for the late deliveries?

How about interim lift between now & initial A380 deliveries?
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 7:54 pm

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 21):
Any word on "delay" compensation, if any?

The PR says "having now fully settled all past issues". So yes, a deal has been worked out, but we don't currently know the details. Hence my question - is the compensation worked in to EK's price for these 4 additional A380s, or will we actually see the heavily rumoured A330/A350 purchase?

Interesting times. wink 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 7):
This doesn't really make a lot of sense to me ... what's the logic in buying 47 (now) of these beasts and then leasing (possibly) two from ILFC?

The only ting I can think of is delivery slots but I can't say for sure because I don't know the timing of ILFC's delivery slots.

Quoting N844AA (Reply 9):
I'm going to be absolutely fascinated to see what sort of route network 47 of the planes are used to support.

Just about anywhere they would fly a 747. SQ once operated an equaly large fleet of 744's so why not EK? If they can live with lower load factors then it shouldn't be a problem. Lower load factors also makes it more acceptable to use stairs instead of jetway bridges at airports that don't yet have A380 compatible jet bridges.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 9:50 pm

Great news for the A380 programme, this only re-affirms cutsomers commitment to taking flying into the 21st century. The A380 will be a success and it will revolutionise air travel for the better.

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting Dsa (Reply 25):
this only re-affirms cutsomers commitment to taking flying into the 21st century.

Hadn't they already affirmed that plenty by not ceasing operations on 12/31/00?  Silly
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting Dsa (Reply 25):
Great news for the A380 programme

I think the great news is simply that this order puts an end to speculation that Emirates might cut back its order. That would have been extremely bad news for Airbus.

I expect any really good news (new A380 customers) will be announced at Paris. My uninformed guess is that there will be good news at Le Bourget.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 10:41 pm

Good news for the A380. I hope she enters service this year as expected. I'm looking forward to it. But I need to ask a question, why in God's name do EK need over 45 A380's plus all of their 77W plus a possible order for 100 350XWB, not to mention their other widebodies? Is their really that much demand to fly into the middle east right now?
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 10:53 pm

We all know that this is an awful plane, they dont know what they are doing.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 30):
We all know that this is an awful plane, they dont know what they are doing

That awful plane is the flagship of the 21st century, that plane has created 1000s of jobs in countries across the World, that plane has been created as part of an international effort, that plane will make flying cheaper and more accesible to people across the World, that plane sets new standards for protecting and minimising environmental damage and most of all that plane inspires people across the World.


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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
But I need to ask a question, why in God's name do EK need over 45 A380's plus all of their 77W plus a possible order for 100 350XWB, not to mention their other widebodies?

You need to understand how EK operates. DXB is their hub - they want to connect everywhere to everywhere via DXB. They are currently doing a very good job of it. Clark is on record (from I think two years ago) saying they wished they already had the A380 in their fleet. EK's profit growth is very impressive, as is their double-digit passenger growth year-on-year.

If EK does order 100 A350s, they will pretty much replace all of EK's current fleet of A330s, A340s, 772s and non-ER 773s. That's around 80 of the 100 straight away, plus some growth.
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 11:07 pm

I found it interesting that they ordered 4 of the aircraft, not the 10 to 15 Mr. Clark was hinting at last week. That's the most surprising thing about this story, to me.
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 33):
I found it interesting that they ordered 4 of the aircraft, not the 10 to 15 Mr. Clark was hinting at last week. That's the most surprising thing about this story, to me.

I find it interesting that they announced it soo soon before the Paris Airshow.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting Dsa (Reply 31):
Dsa

Its sarcasm  Wink
 
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Mon May 07, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 35):
Its sarcasm

Put a  Wink after it then!

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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Art (Reply 27):
My uninformed guess is that there will be good news at Le Bourget.

I reckon LH and at least one other announcement - either an Indian airline or BA (or both!)

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 33):
I found it interesting that they ordered 4 of the aircraft, not the 10 to 15 Mr. Clark was hinting at last week. That's the most surprising thing about this story, to me.

Didn't he say something daft like - more than 2?
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Mon May 07, 2007 11:48 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 18):
So, has the A380 delay compensation been worked out on this order for 4 more, or is this a hint at the rumoured A330/A350 order to come? 

It is reported that EK and AIrbus have also coincidentally come to an agreement in terms of compensation for the 380 delay. However, it is denied that the new 380 order is part of that deal. It's probably hard for the average person to ever know.

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 21):
How about interim lift between now & initial A380 deliveries?

By the time of their first 380 delivery in 2008, they were supposed to have had about 18 already. So I predict a 330 order announced at the Paris Airshow (for interim lift) - and possibly some 350s as well, the pricing of which will be the compensation package they now say has been arrived at. Both EK and Airbus have a pechant for drama.

Just my prediction. The specifics of these kinds of deals can not be verified, can they?

By the way - I have reservations about EK's business model and all that extra lift they are planning. It seems to me that we just need to see one ultra efficiant A/C with just a little more range (i.e. that can do the Kangaroo route without stopping) and I think Dubai will suddenly become a flyover-state, except for O + D traffic. Remember Anchorage?
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 12:34 am

Quoting Dsa (Reply 31):
That awful plane is the flagship of the 21st century, that plane has created 1000s of jobs in countries across the World

That totally mismanaged program is going to cost 10000 jobs in Europe!  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 12:40 am

Not surprising since the entire A-380 program is essentially now EK dependent. It would be interesting to find out the $ of the penalties and compensation Airbus had to shell out to EK.
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 12:43 am

This is great for the program, that 47 are "safe" now.

This means EK is happy with compensation, but what is that compensation? Is it the A350 order, or straight discounts?
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Dsa (Reply 31):
That awful plane is the flagship of the 21st century, that plane has created 1000s of jobs in countries across the World, that plane has been created as part of an international effort, that plane will make flying cheaper and more accesible to people across the World, that plane sets new standards for protecting and minimising environmental damage and most of all that plane inspires people across the World.



Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 39):
By the way - I have reservations about EK's business model and all that extra lift they are planning. It seems to me that we just need to see one ultra efficiant A/C with just a little more range (i.e. that can do the Kangaroo route without stopping) and I think Dubai will suddenly become a flyover-state, except for O + D traffic. Remember Anchorage?

I find that true and somewhat ironic. EK is usually the one pushing for more range. If someone builds something with more range than a 777LR, ie, a really globespaning aircraft, then EK will die a very quick death IMHO.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 43):
EK is usually the one pushing for more range. If someone builds something with more range than a 777LR, ie, a really globespaning aircraft, then EK will die a very quick death IMHO.

It will be interesting to see if EK is still around in 20 years.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 40):
That totally mismanaged program is going to cost 10000 jobs in Europe!

They have existed in the first place without it?????
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:18 am

Isn't this EK's smallest order ever?
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 46):
Isn't this EK's smallest order ever?

Hmm, for new planes, yes. They did, however, order 3 A310F conversions.
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:26 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 46):
Isn't this EK's smallest order ever?

Didnt they order 2 A380s from ILFC?
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:26 am

Frankly, if the only A380 customers are the current ones, but they end up buying hundreds of them, is that really such a bad thing?
 
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Tue May 08, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 45):
They have existed in the first place without it?????

So, that makes it OK?
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 49):
Frankly, if the only A380 customers are the current ones, but they end up buying hundreds of them, is that really such a bad thing?

No I guess not. It doesn't matter who buys them as long as someones buying them. The good thing is that with major operators like SQ and EK / AF / LH buying them that it may encourage others to follow but I think other operators will want to see it in service for a year or so first to see what the reality is of passenger service/economics and airport compatibility.
 
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 42):
This means EK is happy with compensation, but what is that compensation? Is it the A350 order, or straight discounts?

As far as I understand, EK specifically announced that compensation would not be linked to any other order, which seems to imply that all compensation is either cash based or a rebate of the purchase price of the existing 43. I am however sure that they drove a good bargain for these four frames, but it would be a win-win for both.

Anyway, I think there are a number of threads on A380 compensation. So back to the topic at hand. Congratulations to Airbus, and good luck to EK with your ambitious plans!
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RE: Emirates Order 4 More A380s

Tue May 08, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 40):
That totally mismanaged program is going to cost 10000 jobs in Europe! Yeah sure

10000 jobs that are a product of the inefficiency sustained for years thanks to historical and political pressures. There are now also thousands of jobs created where they are needed - for example thousands of electricians are being hired in Hamburg to speed up wiring.

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 44):
It will be interesting to see if EK is still around in 20 years.

An airline with so much money and a backer like whom they currently have can put every other airlines out of business. Believe me, these guys are strong. They can employ flying crew that is cheaper to employ than in any western country, they can have special deals on kerosene with their neighbours. They could sustain losses for years and years and still be around. Just go to Dubai and you won't believe your eyes.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 32):
If EK does order 100 A350s, they will pretty much replace all of EK's current fleet of A330s, A340s, 772s and non-ER 773s. That's around 80 of the 100 straight away, plus some growth.

Indeed, you are 100% correct. It is safe to say that with the rising price of oil and the gain in efficiency of all new generation aircraft, such as 787, 350, 380, 748, the vast majority of older aircraft are going to find themselves into the desert within 10-15 years. Sad, but true. The 787 offer a huge leap in technology over any other aircraft previously flown. It's like flying in a prop aircraft and a jet engine. That's, IMHO, the gap between the generations. The only survivors will be late 777s & 330s in the widebody game, with a new shake-up in the narrowbody game coming soon...

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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos