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NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Wed May 09, 2007 4:46 pm

I am schedule to fly NW flight 221 from IND to MSP on May 12th. When I booked this flight it was schedule to be a 757-300. I just checked the flight and it is now a 757-200. Is it common for NW to make equipment changes so close to the scheduled departure?
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kaitak
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Wed May 09, 2007 4:54 pm

I would say very common, particularly between aircraft like the 752/753, which are in a common fleet. The crew would still be able to fly either type and the 753 scheduled to be on your flight would probably have been switched to another route with a more "753-appropriate" load, but I can certainly understand your frustration; I've never flown on a 753, so I'd be pretty annoyed if it happened to me!

Matching equipment to aircraft is one of the practices which enable aircraft to maximise profitability; I would imagine - without being absolutely sure that NW has a computer system which actually points out specific routes where aircraft can be switched and that all routes are looked at on a daily, if not hourly basis; you'd probably find a lot of this happening on A319/320 routes. They would be less likely to make changes between 757s and A320 routes, because that would involve changing crews and probably more complication than its worth.
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Wed May 09, 2007 5:01 pm

I've had it before where they've substituted aircraft between online check-in and departure ... IIRC it changed from a 744 to a 777 ... equipment substitutions are common -- painfully so.

I also had an aircraft substitution while I was at the gate waiting to board ... our original 343 went mech, so we were moved over to another one ... took a while to move the catering and baggage for the HKG - AKL flight!
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Wed May 09, 2007 5:18 pm

I had a DTW-IND flight a few years back that was supposed to be a DC9...got there to see an a319 at the gate. Shit happens I guess.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Wed May 09, 2007 5:33 pm

Heck, last summer there was an equipment change after I got on board the aircraft! The 757 mechanicaled, so they unloaded us, towed the 757 away, and a couple of hours later most of us got on a 737...

Last minute equipment changes happen all the time.
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Wed May 09, 2007 7:26 pm

Just be grateful they didn't cancel the flight - some airlines don't think twice about this. Especially if your flight wasn't particularly well subscribed.

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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Wed May 09, 2007 10:26 pm

Many of NW's short-hop 753 flights (DTW-MSP, MSP-IND, DTW-PHL) are often subject to equipment changes between the 752/753. This is often due to the limited supply of 753 aircraft, which are needed primarily on West Coast-Hawaii & DTW/MSP-West Coast flights. If a 753 goes mechanical or if the flight schedules are backed up, they must back-fill the Hawaii routes with a 753 (due to ETOPS, loads, etc.) wheras the domestic routes they can put on a 752 and just reseat and/or ask for volunteers as necessary. In theory, they could now sub in a TATL 752 for West Coast-Hawaii, but that would cause a number of problems due to the significantly fewer number of seats, and a lot fewer seats in 757 WBC than in 753 First class.

NW often swaps between:
752/753
A319/A320
DC-9 30/40/50
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
Is it common for NW to make equipment changes so close to the scheduled departure?

Extremely common. As pointed out, it's something that NW probably does more often than other carriers, especially on the -9s and the airbii because those birds require the same number of f/as, while the 753s require one more. It often happens even closer to departure.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 2):
I've had it before where they've substituted aircraft between online check-in and departure ... IIRC it changed from a 744 to a 777 ... equipment substitutions are common -- painfully so.

I was going to say the same thing, that has happened to me quite often. It sucks when it makes you lose your window seat.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 12:35 am

had an equipment change once DURING a flight.
At a fuelstop the Tu-154M I was in was replaced (after a 22 hour delay) with an An-24 due to technical problems (fuel gushing out of the wing).
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
NW often swaps between:
752/753
A319/A320
DC-9 30/40/50

I get switched around on those all the time. I like all the DC-9s so no big deal.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
NW often swaps between:
752/753
A319/A320
DC-9 30/40/50

Try to get on a DC-9-40! There are only 9 left flying in pax configuration in the world, all with NW.

The NW skeds identify both the D93 and D94 as D9S, while the D95 is identified as D95. However, if you proceed to booking (without actually booking a flight) on nwa.com , NW does identify the D94 as a specific assigned aircraft at this stage, even if it is eventually substituted for a D93 or a D95.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 1:41 am

Well Im very sure that NW is only having an eqp change on that first leg as 221 originates in IND and then continues ontto MSP-SFO-HNL. And the 752 would not be able to do the SFO-HNL leg. On a side note are the NW F/A trained in all types of aircraft. ex the 752/753. 747, etc.
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 12):
752 would not be able to do the SFO-HNL leg

Sure it would. It is 2399 miles. MSP-ANC is 2518, done on the 757. As for ETOPS, I am not sure of NW and its fleet. maybe someone from NW could enlighten us.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 1:58 am

Would it be inaccurate to say that MOST ship changes are likely to be done within a few days or even day of? When a ship goes down for mx or delayed/canceled somewhere else along a given route, those decisions will have to be made fairly last minute. Even when changing a ship for load reasons, I would guess that some ship changes would only be finalized when the most accurate load numbers could be reviewed (barring the obviously empty flights).
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
on the -9s and the airbii because those birds require the same number of f/as, while

Actually the -40/50 require and extra FA.
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 2:48 am

BTW adding insult to injury they put me in 17F which has no window. So I called the customer service office LATE last night and spoke to a very friendly and helpful NW customer service rep. She happily moved me to 12A or 13A. I forget the exact number. So problem resolved. I still wanted that 753 but it isn't the end of the world. At least they didn't put me in a CRJ. I would have canceled my ticket for that.  Smile
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 15):

Actually the -40/50 require and extra FA.

Sorry, should have been more clear. Switching between the -40 and the -50 is more common. You are correct about the f/a requirements.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 2:54 am

Yup, everytime I fly on NW its bound to happen. It usually happens between the DC-9's and Airbuses.
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 16):

If you were flying on the 753...........Row 26 Emergency Exit row overwing is a good seat nice leg space but no seat recline.. Not sure if you could do without seat recline.
 
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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Sure it would. It is 2399 miles.

Specifically Northwest's 752 could not do the SFO-HNL leg, as most of them are not ETOPS capable.

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RE: NW Equipment Changes Only Days Before Flight?

Thu May 10, 2007 4:38 am

On monday i was non-reving from DTW to MSP and we had an equipment change from a DC-9/50 to a 30 series, it's very common, the original a/c had some sort of mx problem.

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