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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
With its distinctive blue and yellow logo, and the name 'Singapore Airlines' stretched across 33 metres of aircraft fuselage, the world's first commercial A380 aircraft (MSN003) rolled out of the paint hangar in Hamburg, Germany this week.

I thought part of the whole "lucky numbers" numbers game (which includes the first model in the series being the -800  Wink ) was that they were going to finangle airframes and serial numbers and such so that MSN008 was going to be the first delivery frame to SQ...
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 46):
A wonderful achievement



Quoting EbbUK (Reply 46):
, those wonderful Airbus heroes



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Congratulations to Airbus on this wonderful acheivemnt and yet another milestone

Yeah it looks good and all, but can someone clue me in on how painting a plane is a 'wonderful achievement' done by 'heroes'??

[Edited 2007-05-10 23:29:24]
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 47):
Why exactly did this take 21 days to paint? I heard that a Boeing 777-300ER took only 3 days to paint. Also, Singapore's livery is one of the more easier liveries to paint, since it is only 3 colors (white, blue, and gold).

If you don't care about painting over the windows and the wing socks the mechanics left all over you CAN paint an aircraft like an A380 in three days too.

I hate to quote myself but it seems warranted here.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 38):
Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 7):
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Some 100 painters worked over four shifts polishing the 3,100m2 surface area of the aircraft fuselage by hand, and with extraordinary precision. This painting process took 21 days.

Good heavens. Excuse my ignorance but is that normal?

Robert

It does not sound as if they were in a huge hurry, but yes....it's normal, even if the manpower and the hand polishing seems....well....excessive. The prep work is the most time consuming part of painting an airplane, even if it is a new one. It has to be masked, cleaned, primed, allowed to harden, sanded, cleaned again to remove dust, masked again, top coated, allowed to harden, inspected, any repaint necessary applied, allowed to harden, and then the livery is applied.

It is a lot of work.
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 52):
It does not sound as if they were in a huge hurry, but yes....it's normal, even if the manpower and the hand polishing seems....well....excessive. The prep work is the most time consuming part of painting an airplane, even if it is a new one. It has to be masked, cleaned, primed, allowed to harden, sanded, cleaned again to remove dust, masked again, top coated, allowed to harden, inspected, any repaint necessary applied, allowed to harden, and then the livery is applied.

It is a lot of work.

All of this work is done at Boeing in a matter of 3-4 days. You think Boeing doesn't sand or polish their planes? They do. Why did it take Airbus 21 days???
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 6:50 am

Well they're not in a hurry, so perhaps they used it as a training aid for all the paint teams, so they did it in shifts over multiple days?
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 53):
All of this work is done at Boeing in a matter of 3-4 days. You think Boeing doesn't sand or polish their planes? They do. Why did it take Airbus 21 days???

I'm guessing that the actual painting probably did only take 3 or 4 days - maybe the figure for the T7 doesn't include the prep time.....
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 53):
You think Boeing doesn't sand or polish their planes?

LOL I wondered why they felt rough!!!  Wink

Quoting Stitch (Reply 54):

Yeah you could be right. Theres no rush they have until Oct/Nov. LOL...
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Lovely looking AC

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But good to see things finallycome to fruition for Airbus. I hope I'll have a chance to fly on one.
I doubt I'll ever see on in SK livery!  Big grin
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 7:36 am

I wonder if they'll manage to keep quiet all the things they have inside until October or will there be leaks?
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 42):
I would hope - heck, I would expect - SQ and any other carrier with a true First Class product in the front of the main deck will have the stairs to the second deck aft of Door 2, regardless of what Airbus shows on their seating diagrams.

I just had a look on some photos of the first class cabin taken during LH's test flights on MSN007. It is easy to separate the cabin between door 1 and 2 on the main deck with a curtain such that passengers boarding for the upper deck through door 1 and using the stairs cannot look into this cabin. Thus, SQ can use door 1 for First and Business class passengers, and door 2 for Y class passengers on the main deck. The upper deck door is then used for Y class passengers on the upper deck (if they have such seats there).

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 36):
Stitch,

16 F/C sounds a lot... I mean, you have still the huge volume of the stairs right in the middle of that area...

I do agree though we will see something unusual.

Is the number 16 confirmed? From the interior pictures of MSN007 I would guess that the stairs would occupy the space of two middle seats, thus bringing the number down to 14 (assuming that all toilets are located in the area without windows behind door 2).

Edit: Just have a look at ?! The First A380 Floor Plan! Find The Details! (by Keesje May 9 2006 in Civil Aviation) and make it 4 seats at the windows. I guess that will be a layout we could expect...

[Edited 2007-05-11 01:00:31]
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 49):
Yes now its finally on the way to EIS they have produced one amazing piece of machinery. Happy 1st Birthday by the way EbbUK.

Thank you very much, quite a milestone. Beleive it or not, at one time, in my 1st yr, i was banned for 13 yrs! I sought forgiveness and the ban was lifted.

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 51):
Yeah it looks good and all, but can someone clue me in on how painting a plane is a 'wonderful achievement' done by 'heroes'??

Consider anyone who has a hand in the making of those magnificent flying machines is a hero.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
Emirates, followed by Qantas.

As long as they don't mispell it Quantas while painting!  expressionless 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 8:41 am

Very nice.  bigthumbsup 

I can't wait to see the plane flying the SQ 001/002 route by maybe Summer 2008? Big grin
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 9:00 am

Wow - looks beautiful. Good on Airbus and SQ. Maybe once the A380 hits the air others will place orders.

One would have to think SQ,EK and QF can't all get it wrong at the same time and the A380 is a winner.
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 9:06 am

Such a shame that the Blue on the tail doesn't come all the way down to the fueselage, looks like they ran out of paint or something, nethertheless good pics  Smile
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 9:06 am

A technological marvel it may be, but its still the ugliest thing in the air.
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 65):
A technological marvel it may be, but its still the ugliest thing in the air.

She's no great beauty, but I've seen worse in commercial airliners. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 53):
All of this work is done at Boeing in a matter of 3-4 days. You think Boeing doesn't sand or polish their planes? They do. Why did it take Airbus 21 days???

and you know this how?
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 67):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 53):
All of this work is done at Boeing in a matter of 3-4 days. You think Boeing doesn't sand or polish their planes? They do. Why did it take Airbus 21 days???

and you know this how?

It is not that hard to keep track of planes. Go to this site. http://www.microvoltradio.com/kpae.htm It is updated daily or every other day. Make note of when a particular plane enters the paint hangar, and when it leaves the hangar.

Like some here have stated, I think this A380 frame, given that it was the first to be painted, was used as a training guide for the Airbus painters who will work on the rest of the A380s. The rest of the A380s should take no more than a week to paint.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 4:51 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 65):
A technological marvel it may be, but its still the ugliest thing in the air.

I agree that on pictures she looks way too stubby.

But when you see this aircraft in person up-close the reaction isn't: "oh she's so ugly" but "damn she is big!"
That's what inspires the awe - that something a large as this can transport that many people.
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 60):
i was banned for 13 yrs! I sought forgiveness and the ban was lifted.

LOL either you said something really extreme or you got a Mod on a bad day lol...thats a long time  Big grin
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 68):
Like some here have stated, I think this A380 frame, given that it was the first to be painted, was used as a training guide for the Airbus painters who will work on the rest of the A380s. The rest of the A380s should take no more than a week to paint.

I'm glad you don't work in scheduling. I looked at that site and aside from some pretty pictures it told me nothing in particular that tends to support or negate what you've said.

There's no such thing as training people to paint a particular size airplane. It's a lot of detail work, just work. I imagine this A380 probably had to have a lot of repair to the existing paint job as it's been around a while and has seen some travel. The prototype MD11 was like that, and it needed a strip, rework and repaint before it went to Fedex. I'm guessing that MSN007 had to be completely stripped and repainted.

See, that's how I know how long it takes to paint a big airplane. I worked in a big airplane factory on big airplanes. I have personal knowledge of the subject material..
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 10:14 pm

Hey wings your linked images wont work....
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Fri May 11, 2007 10:19 pm

Boeing states on their tour that it takes "a day" to paint a widebody and "a day" for the paint to cure. This tracks with my daily observations of planes at PAE. For example, I'll see a 773ER or 744F in the paint-preparation tarmac on Monday with the paint hangar doors open. On Tuesday she'll be gone and the doors will be closed. Same with Wednesday. On Thursday, she's back on the paint-preparation tarmac with her doors and engine covers opened. Then either Friday or the next Monday she's out on the flight-line.

I can't believe three weeks is the normal prep time for an A388, but even if it is, perhaps it has something to do with extra paint prep and curing for the composite GLARE sections?
 
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 71):
The prototype MD11 was like that, and it needed a strip, rework and repaint before it went to Fedex. I'm guessing that MSN007 had to be completely stripped and repainted.

Yes, but the thing is that MSN007 was most likely still in full primer.

Plus let's not forget that Airbus aircraft (except for the re-skinned AA AB6s) seem to have a different kind of skin, while all Boeing and Douglas aircraft had metal skins that were probably much easier to prepare for painting. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting Teme82 (Reply 72):
Hey wings your linked images wont work....

Not working here either - needs a username and password. Anyone saved the pics before this happened?
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting 6YJJK (Reply 75):

Same problem here it is asking a for a username and password to enter the sever which is in Singapore when I did an IP Address locator.

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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 76):
Same problem here it is asking a for a username and password to enter the sever

I got that same pop up screen. Any other way we can see the pics?
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Sat May 12, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 76):
Same problem here it is asking a for a username and password to enter the sever which is in Singapore when I did an IP Address locator.

Yeah this happens when images are "leeched" ....
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 6:24 am

Its possible that a good bit of the extra delay was in a need to clean, repair, reprimer the plane as its had a long time being knocked about and reworked.
 
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Sat May 12, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 74):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 71):
The prototype MD11 was like that, and it needed a strip, rework and repaint before it went to Fedex. I'm guessing that MSN007 had to be completely stripped and repainted.

Yes, but the thing is that MSN007 was most likely still in full primer.

Plus let's not forget that Airbus aircraft (except for the re-skinned AA AB6s) seem to have a different kind of skin, while all Boeing and Douglas aircraft had metal skins that were probably much easier to prepare for painting. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

I thought MSN007 was flying around with a paint job of some sort...well, nevermind. You can't mask, strip, prep, prime, sand, mask, paint, rework, then and apply livery on a VLA in 3 days....not unless you're a tour guide.
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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 80):

AFAIK MSN007 is in Airbus Livery doing testing for them.

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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines have released the first pictures of the A380 in its livery.

I wonder what is the importance of the fact that the hull is painted. I was not able todownload the pictures but
reading the posting it seems tha no motor in in place. Can sombody tell me the answer to my question

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Sat May 12, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 81):
uoting Dougloid (Reply 80):


AFAIK MSN007 is in Airbus Livery doing testing for them.

Tom.

got my serial numbers mixed up. tnx for the correction.

003 is/was a flight test aircraft??
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Sat May 12, 2007 12:49 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 83):
003 is/was a flight test aircraft??

I don't think so. She didn't even have her first flight until mid 2006, and after that, there was no more news on MSN003, so I guess it might have gotten re-wired in the mean time before heading to XFW for the new paintjob.

This is the most recent photo of MSN003 in the database, which is from last year.

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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 4:19 pm

I say it once more.... too bas SQ did NOT introduce a new livery on their A380's !!!!!!!!

By the way, when will AF get their A380's to fly?

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RE: Airbus A380 - SQ Painting Completed.

Sat May 12, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 84):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 83):
003 is/was a flight test aircraft??

I don't think so. She didn't even have her first flight until mid 2006, and after that, there was no more news on MSN003, so I guess it might have gotten re-wired in the mean time before heading to XFW for the new paintjob.

This is the most recent photo of MSN003 in the database, which is from last year.

Alles in ordnung, y'all.

I was laboring under the misconception that 003 was a flight test aircraft that was going to be cleaned up and delivered after the part of the test regime that was tasked to her had been completed. For a fresh aircraft three weeks in the paint hangar with 100 worker bees does seem a bit much, but hey-what's the hurry when delivery is not until October?

I was thinking that it had been painted white, and that an existing paint job had to be removed and the finish freshened up a bit. The first MD11, hull number 447, was polished with purple stripes along the fuselage. After flight testing was complete, it was cleaned up, repainted, and sold to Federal Express. I heard they got a helluva bargain.

Here's a link to a pick of the old bucket of bolts. I spent many happy hours checking out hydraulic runs and inspecting cargo and passenger doors on it.

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