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philb
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Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Sun May 13, 2007 7:03 pm

Hex A1F70F came up on my SBS this morning with a call sign of N2258L and a flight level of 130. This checks out as a Cessna 172S of American King Air Ferries. It is now (11.00 BST) some 20 minutes out from its destination of Durham Teesside, having taken off from St Johns, Newfoundland. The summer ferry flight season has obviously started!.

See: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2258L

[Edited 2007-05-13 12:15:27]
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 1:56 pm

Certainly a braver soul than myself...

I might have chosen the GUIK route (Greenland-Iceland-UK), which minimizes the overwater time  Wink
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 2:16 pm

I hope he brought an empty bottle.
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 2:25 pm

I had planned a flight from CDW-YRC-YKL-YVP-YFB-GOH-KUS-KEF-FAE-EDI for a total of 3465nm. My Archer could just make it but I decided against as it was too cost-ineffective.
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 2:28 pm

BTW, Flight Levels begin at FL180. He meant 13000 feet msl.
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 2:31 pm

Wow. 1940 nm at a TAS of 120 kts. So, with no wind thats 16 hours over water. He's probably burning around 7-8 gph for the trip which is 112-128 gallons. About twice the total capacity of the wing tanks. So, where do they put the ferry tanks in a 172? Back seat? Baggage area? Any ideas about what kind of tailwind this pilot can expect nowadays?
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 4):
BTW, Flight Levels begin at FL180. He meant 13000 feet msl.

Flight Levels begin at other altitudes out side of the US. In some countries, the transition altitude can be as low as 3,000 feet.
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 4):
BTW, Flight Levels begin at FL180. He meant 13000 feet msl.

In the USA, yes. In Germany for example, Flightlevels start at 5000 feet. And that often seems to be the case in Europe.

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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 3:46 pm

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 4):
BTW, Flight Levels begin at FL180. He meant 13000 feet msl.

Thankfully the US Government and the FAA don't rule the world. I meant FL 130 and that's what I typed.
Flight levels over the Atlantic are 10,000 and over, though some ferry pilots use the term above 5,000 feet. In Europe the base levels differ between 5,000 and 10,000 feet.
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 4:01 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 5):
So, where do they put the ferry tanks in a 172? Back seat?

Everywhere!

I have seen a C172 arrive at Bankstown (Sydneys GA airport) at the end of a ferry flight from OAK and the cabin was FULL of ferry tanks, except for a small, very small area for the pilot's seat. The other seats and cabin linings were on top of the tanks. Talk about a flying bomb!

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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 8):

Yes, but even lower in some countries:
In the UK the transition altitude outside controlled airspace is 3000feet. In Finland it used to be the same but was changed to 5000. The Netherlands has 3000ft as well? Norway 4000Ft? I don't fly myself nowadays so other members may have more updated information.
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 6:39 pm

Quoting Saleya22R (Reply 10):

You are pretty much correct. BTW the Cessna used controlled airspace on the flight in question in Ireland and the UK.
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 10:08 pm

Can someone please tell me how this is possible?

Even with Extended Fuel tanks and bladder tanks...Can anyone explain to me, how he'd be able to make this route?. Its possible going over Greenland and Iceland, but how is this possible.

I'm not denying that it did, but I want to know how it can be done.
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):

Ferry flights are nothin'  smile . Try this:

Quote:
How long was the world's longest airplane flight?

Amazingly the record for the longest airplane flight dates back all the way to 1958 - 1959.

On December 04 1958 Bob Timm and John Cook left Las Vegas, NV in a Cessna 172 and didn't land again until February 07 1959.

In the 64 days 22 hours 19 minutes and 5 seconds they were airborne they manage to cover a distance comparable to flying six times around the Earth.

During the trip they were constantly refueled in flight and swooped down to grab water and food from a chase car that followed them.

http://thelongestlistofthelongeststu...ainnameatlonglast.com/long219.html
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 13):
Ferry flights are nothin' . Try this

Yeah but thats with Refueling in Flight and getting food from the ground....

What about 1 person....over the Atlantic....Nonstop...with 1 engine.
How is that done.
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 5):
Wow. 1940 nm at a TAS of 120 kts. So, with no wind thats 16 hours over water.

Still nothing compared to a Hawaiian crossing. Shortest distance across to ITO-SBA and that is a hair over 2000nm, with nothing but water in sight. At least w/ a transatlantic crossing you have a fair number of diversion points along the way should the need arise. But somehow @ 120 KTAS that seems academic.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 14):
How is that done.

First the pilot needs one helluva set of balls. The guys that do these GA ferries are highly experienced people. I would gather that such a flight involves a fair bit of planning to make sure you have a viable route and that the plane is in proper shape for the trip.
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 10:50 pm

Blue Elephant,

Like stated above Atlantic crossings are usually accomplished with ferry tanks. Aircraft seats are removed and replaced by additional fuel tanks, usually bringing the aircraft way above maximum takeoff weight. Then the only thing left to do if to wait for the best winds.

Here's photos of an SR20 with auxiliary tanks.

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Ferry Tank
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Mon May 14, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 14):
Yeah but thats with Refueling in Flight and getting food from the ground....

What about 1 person....over the Atlantic....Nonstop...with 1 engine.
How is that done.

I believe if you google "Lindbergh" you'll see how it's done  Wink
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Tue May 15, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting Radarbeam (Reply 16):
Here's photos of an SR20 with auxiliary tanks.

I think the picture with the tiny fire extinguisher in the cockpit is the best! Sitting right next to a HUGE extra tank filled with a highly flammable (if not explosive) liquid.

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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Tue May 15, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
I'm not denying that it did, but I want to know how it can be done.

If you look at the sample routing mentioned in Reply3 (CDW-YRC-YKL-YVP-YFB-GOH-KUS-KEF-FAE-EDI), all sectors are less than 500 nm.and most are closer to 400 nm or less.
 
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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Tue May 15, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
If you look at the sample routing mentioned in Reply3 (CDW-YRC-YKL-YVP-YFB-GOH-KUS-KEF-FAE-EDI), all sectors are less than 500 nm.and most are closer to 400 nm or less.

But he didn't do that routing. He went direct!

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RE: Cessna 172 Ferry Flight

Tue May 15, 2007 4:09 pm

Every year there are non-stop ferry flights of single engined aircraft direct from Gander or St John to Shannon or points in the UK. The first I can recall was in 1959. A Mooney M20 G-APVV flew even further, non stop from Nova Scotia to Manchester, on delivery in around 21 hours and made the headlines in the local papers. I'm sure it wasn't the first time such a ferry trip had been done

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