New Zealand Aviation Thread #5

777ER · Mon May 14, 2007 8:02 pm

Now that thread #4 has reached over 200+ posts, heres thread #5.

Previous NZ Aviation Threads: New Zealand Aviation Thread (by 777ER Feb 23 2007 in Civil Aviation) New Zealand Aviation Thread #2 (by 777ER Mar 9 2007 in Civil Aviation) New Zealand Aviation Thread #3 (by 777ER Mar 29 2007 in Civil Aviation) New Zealand Aviation Thread #4 (by 777ER Apr 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)

In thread #4 we learnt that:

AKL-YVR bookings are lookg good. The last Saab 340 flight willbe on September 23rd, possibly flight NZ8363 from AKL-NSN. 3x B733s are due for a re-paint in September, could be in the new colours also! NZ and FJ have started their code-shares between AKL-NAN-LAX. The RNZAF fleet of Hercules will receive an instant $21.2million self-protection upgrade. An NZ B733 flight between WLG-AKL, made an emegency landing at Ohakea Airforce base recently, leaving pax and roughly 15 MPs stranded. The CAA was refusing to grant NZ permission to land an A320 at the Airforce base to pick up the stranded pax. One of the MPs got on his phone and phoned his work mate who is incharge of the CAA, transport etc who phoned the CAA boss and permission was granted for NZ to land an A320 at Ohakea. The flight finally landed at AKL at 3am. NZs B733s are about to receive extra Y seats, bringing the total of seats to 142. NZ have also purchased kits to remove the eye-brows on their B733 fleet. QF have announced that they are axing the AKL-ADL service.

Let Thread #5 begin

BNE · Mon May 14, 2007 9:42 pm

Hmm; and what thread number is Australia on.

142 seats in a 733 is a little squashly at least NZ is a small country. Silly

cchan · Tue May 15, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting BNE (Reply 1):
what thread number is Australia on

Not sure, that seem to have disappeared!

This may have been asked before: when will the least for the NZ A320 expire, and when does NZ intend to keep ZK-NCO till? Thanks.

777ER · Tue May 15, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting BNE (Reply 1):
Hmm; and what thread number is Australia on.

Thread 2

Quoting BNE (Reply 1):
142 seats in a 733 is a little squashly at least NZ is a small country.

Apparantly thou, the seat pitch will remain at 30"

777ER · Tue May 15, 2007 4:35 am

Air NZ's cuts starting to bite

Wellington is suffering from a lack of capacity on trans-Tasman flights, says the city's airport.

International passenger numbers rose 3.1 per cent in April on a year ago, but capacity cuts announced by Air New Zealand in November are now beginning to hit, it says.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4059457a13.html

777ER · Tue May 15, 2007 4:37 am

This was announced in thread 3, and now its in the papers

Air NZ tipped to win big contract

Air New Zealand is expected to land a big contract to maintain Hawaiian Airlines' fleet of Boeing 767-300 aircraft in Auckland.

The airline would not comment on the deal, but an announcement was expected about the end of next month.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4059456a13.html

aloha73g · Tue May 15, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Air New Zealand is expected to land a big contract to maintain Hawaiian Airlines' fleet of Boeing 767-300 aircraft in Auckland

Sounds exciting.

I heard that Hawaiian would ferry the planes to/from PPG to AKL on our twice weekly (3x in the summer) flights to PPG. Any word yet on possible HA service between HNL And AKL....perhaps a partnership with ANZ (taking over the route for them??)

-Aloha!

Megatop747-412 · Tue May 15, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting CChan reply=150 in Thread#4:
What are the practical uses of these eyebrow windows (i.e. why they are there for a start)?

This may seem a little late for an answer, but I just found this piece of text browsing thru the B737 info pages at Wikipedia:

Most 737 cockpits are equipped with "eyebrow windows" positioned above the main glareshield. Eyebrow windows were a feature of the original 707. They allowed for greater visibility in turns, and offered better sky views if navigating by stars. With modern avionics, they became redundant, and many pilots actually placed newspapers or other objects in them to block out sun glare. They were eliminated from the 737 cockpit design in 2004, although they are still installed in military variants and at customer request.

Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737-300

Hope I'm not too late..!

SpinalTap · Tue May 15, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Air NZ's cuts starting to bite

Wellington is suffering from a lack of capacity on trans-Tasman flights, says the city's airport.

International passenger numbers rose 3.1 per cent in April on a year ago, but capacity cuts announced by Air New Zealand in November are now beginning to hit, it says.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4059457a13.html

Well if Qantas would switch to Jetstar they would probably lift the capacity but demand may increase too due to lower fares. Given their nine A320 orders* which are to be received over 15 months from late this year and their listing of Wellington as a destination for their destination guides **, it might be expected that Jetstar will launch WLG sometime within the next 18 months but who knows maybe Tiger's launch in Australia will cause a delay.

* http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8408
** http://www.arrivalguides.com/GuidesF...group=city&dest=wellington&flag=en

Motorhussy · Tue May 15, 2007 8:57 am

Anyone else seen the cross-wind landing video on FlightGlobal.com? Unsurprisingly, much of the footage is from WLG and quite impressive.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...7/landing-in-a-crosswind-easy.html

Don't know how to embed video footage direct into this site, but if anyone else does...

Regards
MH

777ER · Tue May 15, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 9):
Anyone else seen the cross-wind landing video on FlightGlobal.com? Unsurprisingly, much of the footage is from WLG and quite impressive.

There are some good videos of WLG landings on youtube

darenw · Tue May 15, 2007 2:29 pm

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Have a read and sign if you agree

777ER · Tue May 15, 2007 3:48 pm

Just had a look at Air West Coast's web-site and noticed that they have now got a Dorner 228, ZK-VIR in service between Greymouth, West Port and WLG. Its parked at WLG from 9am till 4.45pm monday to friday

6thfreedom · Tue May 15, 2007 3:56 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
QF have announced that they are axing the AKL-ADL service.

This is surprising, given that QF retimed its service to connect onto its LAX services.
How is NZ performing on the sector??

777ER · Tue May 15, 2007 4:35 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):

NZ are putting on more flights to 5x per week due to demand. NZ have needed B763s on the route also.

ZK-NBT · Tue May 15, 2007 7:09 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
NZ and FJ have started their code-shares between AKL-NAN-LAX

On the topic of NAN-LAX the 772's have been removed from the schedules that were supposed to be on the route during July and August.

777ER · Tue May 15, 2007 7:11 pm

Any of the QF employees know anything more about QF removing the B763s on the Tasman and replacing them with A330s?

WLG787 · Tue May 15, 2007 8:30 pm

Olympic Airlines flt OAL4721 carrying the Greek PM will arrive in WLG at 2230 on Sunday and will depart again at about 1500 - 1530 on Monday

Will confirm but is expected to be an A300

pilotdude09 · Tue May 15, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Any of the QF employees know anything more about QF removing the B763s on the Tasman and replacing them with A330s?

I know all the 763s go domestic soon and i would say that QF may use a mix of A330's and 738's to fly across the ditch.

cchan · Wed May 16, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 18):
I know all the 763s go domestic soon and i would say that QF may use a mix of A330's and 738's to fly across the ditch.

I assume more 738 and less 330.

HA767 · Wed May 16, 2007 3:28 am

[quote=Aloha73G,reply=6]Sounds exciting.

I heard that Hawaiian would ferry the planes to/from PPG to AKL on our twice weekly (3x in the summer) flights to PPG. Any word yet on possible HA service between HNL And AKL....perhaps a partnership with ANZ (taking over the route for them??)

-Aloha!

The company and Hawaiian's pilot union are in negotiations how to ferry planes to AKL. One possibility was to Dry lease one ANZ flight w/revenue pax to AKL (2 weekly flights HNL-AKL). That would supposely eliminate the scope clause in HAL's pilot contract.

But there are some more issues that deal with the ability of ANZ crews to fly HAL's aircraft. One is a that ANZ crews are not in HAL's pilot training program to fly HAL's N registered US aircraft. Also there have been different interpretations of the pilots contract in negotiations with HAL's pilot union and the company exucutives.

That's why you are hearing the the possibilty of the PPG-AKL ferry or scheduled flight. I very much doubt that Hal mgmt would open a new route with only one plane coming in and out of Maint a month?? (maybe 2). The only thing I see happening is some sort of code share w/ANZ on the HNL-AKL route.

Hopefully they can work out all the wrinkles in negotiations soon, because they want to start using ANZ's overhaul facilities after HAL's Summer busy season.

Stay Tuned.

[Edited 2007-05-15 20:30:23]

777ER · Wed May 16, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting WLG787 (Reply 17):

Excellent, thanks. Will be wicked to see an A300 at WLG

koruman · Wed May 16, 2007 7:37 am

I suspect that AKL-HNL will just become a codeshare, with Hawaiian operating one service per month.

A bit like the LAX-NAN FJ codeshare, with each partner operating certain flights.

777ER · Wed May 16, 2007 9:08 am

300 Air NZ engineers walk off job

More than 300 aircraft engineers in Auckland and Christchurch are leading off an international day of protest against an international trend of cutting pay and conditions for aviation workers.

More than 300 Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union (EPMU) and Aviation and Marine Engineers Association (AMEA) members at Air New Zealand were leaving their work stations in Auckland and Christchurch for two hours to rally outside the airports.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4061674a11.html

777ER · Wed May 16, 2007 9:13 am

Its now confirmed.....

Nelson iwi to start regional freight airline

Nelson's Ngati Koata Trust has confirmed it will start a new airline using two aircraft previously flown by Origin Pacific.

Trust chief executive Caron Paul said yesterday the as-yet unnamed airline would lease the 18-seat Jetstream 31 aircraft from Origin's founder, Robert Inglis, to fly charter and freight services from Nelson.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4060800a13.html

The only ex QO J31s still in the country, are parked at WLG, and two of them are a mess. The third J31 is in better condition and won't need as much work as the other two. One of them will be broken up for spares shortly, if it hasn't already been broken up.

aussie_ · Wed May 16, 2007 9:33 am

The Olympic flight will be an A340-300

777ER · Wed May 16, 2007 10:09 am

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 25):

source for this please? Even better if it is an A343

6thfreedom · Wed May 16, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 26):
source for this please? Even better if it is an A343

I would think the President or Prime Minister of Greece would justify an A343 rather than a crappy old A300.
Is Wellington the first or last stop for the visit?

I think MEL, CBR and DRW are the other stops... perhaps SYD?

I wonder if they'll go into CBR with the A343!

pilotdude09 · Wed May 16, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 27):
I wonder if they'll go into CBR with the A343!

Cant see why not! GWB went into CBR with his 747 and cavalcade a couple of years ago! Now that is what you call an awesome sight Smile

Also CBR handles A340's when theres diversions with emirates etc.

SpinalTap · Wed May 16, 2007 2:58 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 27):

I wonder if they'll go into CBR with the A343!

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 28):
Also CBR handles A340's when theres diversions with emirates etc.

Also, if its good enough for the Turkish PM, then I'm sure it good enough for the Greek PM Wink

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I'd be more worried about getting a A343 into WLG due to the short runway, but I guess because the plane isn't full of passengers and their luggage it will be o.k and especially considering he is not flying long haul out of there (he departs to Australia).

cchan · Wed May 16, 2007 7:09 pm

Quoting Megatop747-412 (Reply 7):
Hope I'm not too late..!

Thanks for the info. Never too late

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 25):
The Olympic flight will be an A340-300

Can an A340 land and take-off from WLG (safely)?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
The only ex QO J31s still in the country, are parked at WLG, and two of them are a mess. The third J31 is in better condition and won't need as much work as the other two. One of them will be broken up for spares shortly, if it hasn't already been broken up.

Any idea which one will be broken up? ex ZK-JSA?

777ER · Wed May 16, 2007 7:32 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 30):
Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 25):
The Olympic flight will be an A340-300

Can an A340 land and take-off from WLG (safely)?

Well lets just put it this way, if it wasn't safe then it wouldn't be allowed into WLG, unless its an emergency

Quoting Cchan (Reply 30):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
The only ex QO J31s still in the country, are parked at WLG, and two of them are a mess. The third J31 is in better condition and won't need as much work as the other two. One of them will be broken up for spares shortly, if it hasn't already been broken up.

Any idea which one will be broken up? ex ZK-JSA?

Sorry I havn't a clue as to which J31 could have a date with Mr Jaws

Motorhussy · Thu May 17, 2007 10:52 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 31):
Well lets just put it this way, if it wasn't safe then it wouldn't be allowed into WLG, unless its an emergency

Landing them in Wellington is one thing, but taking off with the awesome hair-dryer force of the craft may be a challenge. But then of course there's always a Wellington headwind to help. I took off from WLG within about 10 metres aboard a heavily laden Cessna Caravan into a strong southerly once.

MH

cchan · Thu May 17, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 32):
Landing them in Wellington is one thing, but taking off with the awesome hair-dryer force of the craft may be a challenge.

With a light load and maybe a full power take off, the hair-dryers can get the plane to shoot up the sky quite easily.

WLG787 · Fri May 18, 2007 9:16 am

Sadly I have just found out that the Greek PM will no longer be arriving directly into WLG - rather will now be arriving into AKL on 29 May at 2130 hours on a chartered Olympic Airlines A343 before transferring to another plane to take him to WLG

But gutted as I was looking forward to seeing the hair dryers of the A343 in action on WLG's runway! Oh well a chance for the spotters in AKL to see an unusual livery on the ground

NZ107 · Fri May 18, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting WLG787 (Reply 34):

Do you know when it will leave NZ?

cchan · Fri May 18, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting WLG787 (Reply 34):
But gutted as I was looking forward to seeing the hair dryers of the A343 in action on WLG's runway! Oh well a chance for the spotters in AKL to see an unusual livery on the ground

I think the 733 and 320 take offs from WLG will be more spectacular!

777ER · Fri May 18, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 36):
I think the 733 and 320 take offs from WLG will be more spectacular!

Those are boring take offs. B767 and bigger provide better take offs, especially long and slow

ZKSUJ · Fri May 18, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):
Those are boring take offs. B767 and bigger provide better take offs, especially long and slow

Yes I agree. However I thing the climb and rocket like performance (it looks that way anyway) of the 733s is absolutely amazing

WLG787 · Fri May 18, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 35):
QUOTE SELECTED TEXT_

NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 564 posts, RR: 2

Will depart mid afternoon on Wednesday 30th - approx 1400-1500 hours

cchan · Sat May 19, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):
Those are boring take offs. B767 and bigger provide better take offs, especially long and slow

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 38):
Yes I agree. However I thing the climb and rocket like performance (it looks that way anyway) of the 733s is absolutely amazing

767 take offs are great, but they aren't in WLG anymore. Watching from a distance, a 733 take off and climb is much more amazing than a 343 climb! The 343 always make me worry whether the aircraft can get off the ground before the end of the runway.

777ER · Sat May 19, 2007 11:11 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 40):
The 343 always make me worry whether the aircraft can get off the ground before the end of the runway.

Thats what adds to the thrill of watching bigger aircraft

NZ1 · Sat May 19, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 40):
The 343 always make me worry whether the aircraft can get off the ground before the end of the runway.

I thought it was a well known fact that the 343 only gets airborne due to the curvature of the earth!!!

NZ1

ZKNBX · Sat May 19, 2007 5:39 pm

Yeah, we all know it is sluggish on takeoff (c/p T7) but it is a lovely aircraft to fly in as a passenger.

cchan · Sat May 19, 2007 6:44 pm

Last October, I was on a NZ 772 from AKL to HKG. We took off about 10 min after the CX 343, but arrived at HKG 5 min before them. Was this just because the two airlines have a different flight routing, or did the 772 actually overtake the 343?

ZKSUJ · Sat May 19, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 44):

I don't know if it was the actual reason on the day, but the 772 has a generally slightly faster cruiseing speed than the 343

Zkpilot · Sat May 19, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 42):
I thought it was a well known fact that the 343 only gets airborne due to the curvature of the earth!!!

NZ1

Quoting Cchan (Reply 44):
Last October, I was on a NZ 772 from AKL to HKG. We took off about 10 min after the CX 343, but arrived at HKG 5 min before them. Was this just because the two airlines have a different flight routing, or did the 772 actually overtake the 343?

Yup 777 (905km/h (490kt)) are faster than A330 (860km/h (464kt))
https://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=106
https://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=25

Chances are the 777 would have step-climbed faster than the A330 and flown overhead it.

boeing767-300 · Sat May 19, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):
Those are boring take offs. B767 and bigger provide better take offs, especially long and slow

Back in 1998 when 763 were still flying into WLG for Qantas the 763s leapt of the runway earlier and climbed steeper than the impressive 733. A light fuel load for a short Tasman flight no doubt aided this.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 38):
Yes I agree. However I thing the climb and rocket like performance (it looks that way anyway) of the 733s is absolutely amazing

It would be a different scenario for a 763 departing AKL for Japan with a FULL fuel load.......

ZKSUJ · Sun May 20, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 47):
It would be a different scenario for a 763 departing AKL for Japan with a FULL fuel load.......

Uhhh?? I was talking about a 737 from WLG and 737 performance in general (as in NZ only short sectors are done). I was just stating that the 737 climb was marvelous,

Where does the 763 come in?

[Edited 2007-05-20 01:48:53]

cchan · Sun May 20, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 47):
Back in 1998 when 763 were still flying into WLG for Qantas the 763s leapt of the runway earlier and climbed steeper than the impressive 733. A light fuel load for a short Tasman flight no doubt aided this.

I was on one of these flights in 1996. They have to brake very hard when landing at WLG. Can a fully loaded 763 (pax + cargo + fuel) take off from WLG? The 320 doing the route now, can they have a full load?

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 47):
It would be a different scenario for a 763 departing AKL for Japan with a FULL fuel load.......

They still climb reasonably well.

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