Cleared To Roll And Brakes Released - Irish 24/07

kaitak · Thu May 17, 2007 5:09 am

Good evening folks and welcome to another dose of Irish aviation ... now that I've returned from my near (A.net) death experience!

It's been a good week and hopefully more news to come soon; Aer Lingus's new routes, hopefully two new aircraft coming in the next few days and possibly, some reference to aviation policy in the election. In fairness to the outgoing govt, quite a lot of good things have happened on their watch - Open Skies, for one, but a lot more needs to be done. There needs to be a focus on what it can do, given the chance. I'm not saying aviation is more important than Health or Education, BUT I do think that it can be a much more effective catalyst for growth.

So, over to you, guys ... here we go!

smokeyrosco · Thu May 17, 2007 5:30 am

from the last threat...

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 215):
Cool shots, no doubt. Why was teh aircraft at SOU? Was it for an A check, or something? EI-DEC was delevered in 2004 or 2003, I believe.....

Your right it was delivered on the 4th of June 2004, I thought these aircraft where fitted as new in TLS? or are they flown somewhere to be fitted and then flown back for the delivery flight?

I remember being on the next stand over when EI-DET arrived from TLS as new, it was the last 320 delivered from WW's order and it was certainly fitted out with the exception of consumables before it arrived into DUB from TLS

Also, EI-DVG 320-214 CN 3318 is due for delivery in Nov 07 apparently.

shamrock350 · Thu May 17, 2007 5:52 am

Some of the photos from Funchal are amazing, I'm sure some green A320s would make a great shot!

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Also ORK-MAN is back for winter four times a week.

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OA260 · Thu May 17, 2007 6:15 am

Funchal is doing very well for Irish wintersun tourists, mostly retired folk looking for milder winters. Often some of them go for at least 2 weeks. It will proove very popular. I was there last November and its a great place to go deffo recommend it. I will be there this November also .

Kaitak what makes you think BEG??? Its a very closed market and I doubt a DUB to BEG could fill half a plane. I go to see friends every year in BEG mostly with LX or OS . A few times on JU. BEG is not a huge tourist destination but maybe after next years Eurovision in Belgrade it will put it on the map. They deserve to prosper they have been put down for too long by certain people and nations.

f1eddie · Thu May 17, 2007 9:02 am

Hey lads.
Have been looking on for quite a while now!!! Finally got checked in bout two weeks ago and then my laptop crashed!!! How depressing!!
Im currently looking at flying to orlando and am really confused by the amount of options i have. EI are very expensive now and flying by an american city or by gatwick is working out cheaper! Also have to factor in the fact that my sister is confined to a wheelchair so would like the option of accessable toilets on board (which is also a factor not in EIs favour). Anyone got suggestions. I would also like PTVs to throw a spanner in the works!
Think i have to book very soon as all travel agents are telling me i have left it to book very late!!!
A while back singapore airlines which i contacted got back to me asap bout wheelchir toilets. They actually gave me the dimensions of the toilets onboard. Then the dublin office gave me a price of E3000 to fly with them!! Think they were just trying to fend me off!!! Also travel agents wont give me a price to fly that way!!! I wonder why!!!
Oh well
Thanks for any responces in advance and looking forward to many hours per day of reading and contributing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ed

kaitak · Thu May 17, 2007 4:35 pm

Hi F1eddie,
You could try VS via MAN or LGW (and indeed, BA via LGW) and both would give you PTVs. Getting PTVs with EI is still a lottery; friends of mine flew to DXB and back and they had PTVs going out, but not coming back. Also, some of the charter airlines, like First Choice, have PTVs, although they will probably only get you to Sanford, rather than MCO.

copaair737 · Thu May 17, 2007 4:36 pm

Can't wait to see the Irish green Aer Lingus planes at SFO.
I've been waiting for that forever!

-Copa

kaitak · Thu May 17, 2007 4:53 pm

It'll certainly be great to see; for pax, it will be fun to experience approaches to the 28s with oher aircraft in close formation!

In relation to the new EI routes announced yesterday, I didn't notice that there was a new route from Cork - to Munich. There will also be frequency increases to around 14 other routes.

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=200705170700367435W

OA260 · Thu May 17, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 4):
Think i have to book very soon as all travel agents are telling me i have left it to book very late!!!
A while back singapore airlines which i contacted got back to me asap bout wheelchir toilets. They actually gave me the dimensions of the toilets onboard. Then the dublin office gave me a price of E3000 to fly with them!! Think they were just trying to fend me off!!! Also travel agents wont give me a price to fly that way!!! I wonder why!!!

Hi there and welcome, firstly you would proberbly be better going on an airline that had bigger AC, my advice is American via ORD. I presume you mean Travel agents wont give you the price to fly on EI is that correct?? I cant see why as we do it all the time so maybe you just are going to the wrong agents! Wink

VS and BA would also be a good option. If you want a few websites to find cheap fares on then send me a message .

EIDAA · Thu May 17, 2007 6:25 pm

Back from the previous thread...

Quoting EISHN (Reply 213):
For those of you wondering where the fitting out of new a/c takes place, these two photos may give you an idea of one location:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 215):
Cool shots, no doubt. Why was teh aircraft at SOU? Was it for an A check, or something? EI-DEC was delevered in 2004 or 2003, I believe.....

ATC Lasham has a good sized facility at SEN (as opposed to SOU) and EI have sent aircraft there before for base checks, including EI-DEC obviously from these photos. It all comes down to where they can get slots. If the aircraft was delivered in mid-2004, it seems strange that they would throw it in for a 1C in mid-2005 so it may have been a smaller check to include a re-fit or something. No idea.

COEI2007 · Thu May 17, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
In relation to the new EI routes announced yesterday, I didn't notice that there was a new route from Cork - to Munich. There will also be frequency increases to around 14 other routes.

ORK-BHX goes daily for the winter
DUB-VNO goes from 3 weekly to 4 weekly

Dont know about the rest!

Danny · Thu May 17, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
ORK-BHX goes daily for the winter
DUB-VNO goes from 3 weekly to 4 weekly

DUB-KRK goes daily. DUB-POZ from 2 to 3 weekly.

eirbus06 · Thu May 17, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
ORK-BHX goes daily for the winter
DUB-VNO goes from 3 weekly to 4 weekly

Quoting Danny (Reply 11):
DUB-KRK goes daily. DUB-POZ from 2 to 3 weekly.

ORK-MAN Starting again 4 times weekly from Oct 28th!!! boggled

n272wa · Thu May 17, 2007 9:25 pm

Last I heard ORK-MAN was being scrapped!!
Really expected to hear ORK-RIX or VNO, but saying that, flyLAL did not last long at Shannon! Maybe Cork would work better...

shamrock350 · Thu May 17, 2007 9:29 pm

Quoting N272WA (Reply 13):
Last I heard ORK-MAN was being scrapped!!

It was but just for the summer it will be back again in winter.

Quoting N272WA (Reply 13):
Really expected to hear ORK-RIX or VNO, but saying that, flyLAL did not last long at Shannon! Maybe Cork would work better...

I hope they do announce ORK-RIX, it seems to be doing well at DUB and I'm sure ORK could do with some more eastern routes!

Welcome F1eddie!!

BrianDromey · Thu May 17, 2007 9:37 pm

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
ORK-BHX goes daily for the winter
DUB-VNO goes from 3 weekly to 4 weekly

ORK-MAN is back as well. This time with ORK based crews and a/c. Days 1-3-5-7. Midday flight, between the early morning and late evening WW's. I wonder what EI are up to with the MAN service? If they are going to reintroduce it with ORK based aircraft in the winter, could they just have left it with the DUB base for the remiander of the summer?

From ORK, MUC returns, as does TFS, ACE also gets a second rotation, I believe. AGP, NCE are pulled for the winter. AMS, CDG stay static at 11x and 7x weekly. LHR is also pulled back to 4x daily, it seems. However this could change, as could the scheduled A320 on EI 711/712.

So, overall things are roughly the same as last winter. No major changes or new routes launched. Looks like EI are pretty happy with the performance of ORK, and is taking a breather before basing any more aircraft at ORK. I would be surprised if they based a 5th A320 at ORK before they swapped one of the A320s for an A321, for use to LHR, AMS and CDG.

Brian.

OA260 · Thu May 17, 2007 10:17 pm

For anyone heading on US Airways they have an offer that if you call them within 24 hours of the flight and they have J class seats then you can pay $500 and upgrade from Economy class DUB-PHL .

n272wa · Thu May 17, 2007 10:32 pm

OA260, you are a wealth of information. I am booked to PHL on 10th Aug... might ring them and see if I can get an upgrade. Ta a mil. N272WA.

rineanna · Thu May 17, 2007 10:41 pm

Wow Ryanair are certainly overshadowing EI's recent route launches!! Twenty new routes announced today, although none of them to/from Ireland. They're going to serve BUD from EMA which is quite interesting. Will we see them open DUB-BUD and stick it to EI and MA?

shamrock350 · Fri May 18, 2007 1:23 am

This looks great!

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One thing, wheres the Aer Lingus titles Confused

eirbus06 · Fri May 18, 2007 1:35 am

Looks fantastic!! I'll be pushing up daisy's before i see one of those in EI colour's in cork. But i can always hope!! crossfingers

OA260 · Fri May 18, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 19):
This looks great!

Yes looks really nice !!! But wheres the order
pray

rineanna · Fri May 18, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 19):
One thing, wheres the Aer Lingus titles

There are a number of possibilities here:
•Maybe by the time EI start receiving them (if they order them!), should Ryanair be in control, they will have scrapped the Aer Lingus brand and will leave the airline without a name in order to sabotage the airline by destroying its distinctive brand. Aer Lingus collapses, Ryanair gets the monopoly.
•It's a feature of FR's cost cutting plans for EI.
•They just forgot to paint on the name in the paint shop. Whoops.

There's just a few of many reasons!

Quoting Eirbus06 (Reply 20):
I'll be pushing up daisy's before i see one of those in EI colour's in co

We might all be pushing up the daisys by the time EI get their act together and make an announcement. What's the betting we'll all be in our seventies and eighties (still on A.net!) and still waiting for a decision between the 350 and the 787 by which time they'll be obsolete?!

shamrock350 · Fri May 18, 2007 1:54 am

I have hope that EI will announce it at Paris, which isn't too long to wait however if the order is not made at Paris or anytime before the air show I shall be very angry and I'm sure a few others would be as well!

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 22):
It's a feature of FR's cost cutting plans for EI.

Wouldnt surprise me, MOL would say something like... "the Aer Lingus name add wieght to the aircraft and we cant have that can we?"

f1eddie · Fri May 18, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
I presume you mean Travel agents wont give you the price to fly on EI is that correct?? I cant see why as we do it all the time so maybe you just are going to the wrong agents!

No sorry they will give me prices for EI but they wont give me prices for going via Frankfurt with SQ!! What are US Airways like to travel on??? I see they are flying in a 757 around the Xmas time.

smokeyrosco · Fri May 18, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
It'll certainly be great to see; for pax, it will be fun to experience approaches to the 28s with oher aircraft in close formation!

I think we'll see one runway used for landing and the other used for taking off.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 23):
I have hope that EI will announce it at Paris

looking increasingly likely

EIDAA · Fri May 18, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 25):
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
It'll certainly be great to see; for pax, it will be fun to experience approaches to the 28s with oher aircraft in close formation!

I think we'll see one runway used for landing and the other used for taking off.

Not sure, but I think Kaitak meant the parallel 28s in SFO following the post by Copaair737

As for Dublin's 28s, you are probably right that we will have one for departures and one for arrivals, switching at certain times during the day as is the current setup at LHR. Out of curiosity, and not specifically relating to Irish aviation, but does anyone know if there has been any more movement towards mixed-mode operations at LHR?

David_itl · Fri May 18, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 15):
ORK-MAN is back as well.

Have any of the people stating the resumption of the service tried getting the timetable up or "booking" it? It's not showing for November when I went to the EI timetable page 5 minutes ago.

Anyway, tonights Sligo-MAN service has 16 on board.

BrianDromey · Fri May 18, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 27):
Have any of the people stating the resumption of the service tried getting the timetable up or "booking" it? It's not showing for November when I went to the EI timetable page 5 minutes ago.

Yes. It is in the system, and bookable. Fares are (were last night) a bit funny though, €150e.w. Seems pretty steep to me.....

Brian.

smokeyrosco · Fri May 18, 2007 3:28 am

Detailed Flight Information:
Aer Lingus Flight 991 to Dublin, Ireland
(EIDW-Dublin Airport)

Airline Aer Lingus
Flight Number 991
Departure City (Airport) Toulouse, France (LFBO)
Departure Time 05/17/2007 01:00 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Dublin, Ireland (EIDW)
Arrival Time 05/17/2007 02:06 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Landed

Anyone have any ideas which aircraft was delevered today?

OA260 · Fri May 18, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 24):
but they wont give me prices for going via Frankfurt with SQ!!

Oh thats another story . You cant buy cheap through tickets on this service. You would need to go to Lufthansa.com and book your DUB to FRA and then allow 4 hours connection time in FRA and then book a FRA-JFK-FRA with SQ. Best to stick to LH/SQ as they are Star Alliance and will subject to the check in agent through check bags even on 2 tickets. I have looked at doing that route , its a good way to go. I think you need an overnight though if im not mistaken.

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 24):
What are US Airways like to travel on??? I see they are flying in a 757 around the Xmas time.

I hear their Y class is better than their J class. I flew on J class and it was dreadful from PHL to LGW!!

EISHN · Fri May 18, 2007 3:48 am

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Will be EI-DVE, the other aircraft being delivered will be EI-DVF.

f1eddie · Fri May 18, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 30):
You would need to go to Lufthansa.com and book your DUB to FRA and then allow 4 hours connection time in FRA and then book a FRA-JFK-FRA with SQ.

Yeah thats why i think the dub SQ office gave me such an outragious price. Also to add onto what you just said i would also have to book from JFK down to orlando. It is two many flights to deal with.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 30):
I have looked at doing that route , its a good way to go. I think you need an overnight though if im not mistaken.

The sq flight departs at 8.15am bound to JFK so yeah you would have to overnight there but coming back is fine i think!! Thanks for that info on us airways!!

OA260 · Fri May 18, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 32):
Yeah thats why i think the dub SQ office gave me such an outragious price. Also to add onto what you just said i would also have to book from JFK down to orlando. It is two many flights to deal with.

Yeah it sounds like a disaster waiting to happen all those connections on seperate tickets!!! Try AA or DL or even CO but if its CO make sure its a 767 if you have concerns of wheelchair access etc...

f1eddie · Fri May 18, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 33):
Try AA or DL or even CO but if its CO make sure its a 767 if you have concerns of wheelchair access etc...

cool cheers for that!! Makes my choices that little bit smaller!!!

EI787 · Fri May 18, 2007 5:24 am

With regards to Gold Circle:

You may remember a while ago that I was discussing how EI do not allow you to earn points on Partner Airlines whilst a Gold Circle Applicant. However, I just checked my Dad's Balance and it appears that he earned 443 points on an AA flight from ORD-SJC this week, even though he is just an applicant. He flew DUB-ORD with EI and connected to AA for the SJC flight.

So perhaps I will earn EI miles with my upcoming AA trip???

OA260 · Fri May 18, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 35):
So perhaps I will earn EI miles with my upcoming AA trip???

Maybe its a mistake but whatever happens I hope that you do get miles for yours even though EI says officially you shouldnt. Maybe they havnt caught on yet. Fingers crossed.

EI321 · Fri May 18, 2007 8:08 am

Is'nt it funny how much attention a new aircraft @ aer lingus gets, and nobody bats an eyelid when FR get a new one! Anyway, I really hope we hear somethin on the l/h front @ orly.

smokeyrosco · Fri May 18, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 37):
Is'nt it funny how much attention a new aircraft @ aer lingus gets, and nobody bats an eyelid when FR get a new one! Anyway, I really hope we hear somethin on the l/h front @ orly.

I was thinking the same thing the last few days when I was waiting for the new aircraft, FR receives a new bird at least twice a month, I also can't wait for the new ATR for RE..... not to mention when EY start flying to DUB.

Rarity generates interest if only for a short time, this is happening in DUB at the moment, usually it's full of EI 320's (older 320's) and FR's 737's (both old and new) and maybe the odd other aircraft also, something new is always welcome... there was a time when a new FR 737 with winglets was being anticipated.

I didn't see the same interest when EI received EI-DET...... I know because I posted how and when it was received about 2 hours after it arrived in DUB......

I have gotten fed up with all this recent who's better then who bickering, I see it all the time within posts that seem to be more worried about where they are from then the debate, as I said many moons ago I don't care for boeing or Airbus, DUB or SNN (I suppose should say ORK also), and EI or FR (ER anyone? Smile

) I have an interest in aviation and thats how it will stay, I'm from DUB.... as for DUB vs. SNN (or ORK) thats a whole different story that seems to be full of emotion and not full of interest.

BrianDromey · Fri May 18, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 38):

I have gotten fed up with all this recent who's better then who bickering, I see it all the time within posts that seem to be more worried about where they are from then the debate, as I said many moons ago I don't care for boeing or Airbus, DUB or SNN (I suppose should say ORK also), and EI or FR (ER anyone? Smile ) I have an interest in aviation and thats how it will stay, I'm from DUB.... as for DUB vs. SNN (or ORK) thats a whole different story that seems to be full of emotion and not full of interest.

I dont think its [all] about Geography. Naturally that will play a part. Otherwise we would not ahve these very threads. The reaity is that for many, many years both ORK and DUB have been held back by crazy SNN deals and politics.

There is a lot of interest in the new aircraft being delivered, and I think the interest in theA320 is because people wnat to know if its the A330 or not. On the FR thing, well it would be kinda hard to keep up! Smile

Its nice to see new members joining us.

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 4):
Im currently looking at flying to orlando and am really confused by the amount of options i have.

Tá faile romhat ar bhord na "treadenná" Éireanach, tá súil agam gur bhaineadh tú taitneamh as!

On the MCO thing, I think (correct me if Im wrong) that DL do a same aircraft service to MCO. That might be something you could look into. Of course most other international airports are more wheelchair friendly, certainly in the US. Bloody hell, the Yanks kick up a stink if they cant board an RJ by jetbridge. Smile

So from that point of view, if you dont choose the direct EI service it might be easier to connect in a US airport?

CO, hows the EI trainig going? Are you on the line yet?

Brian.

p.s. Its amazing how quickly you forget the old Gaeilge, a year ago I was almost fluent, now I can hardly stick a few words together!

ei2ksea · Fri May 18, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 39):
DL do a same aircraft service to MCO

As you said, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that this is a same flight number rather than same aircraft service (via ATL), or at least it used to be. American customs (as opposed to immigration) will still necessitate you getting off in JFK/ATL before continuing with the onward flight to MCO.

Regards
Ph

kaitak · Fri May 18, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 29):
Anyone have any ideas which aircraft was delevered today?

Apparently, EI-DVF was delivered yesterday (according to other sites); has EI-DVE or EI-DUO been delivered yet? I'm off to the airport shortly, so hopefully I'll see one of them out there.

aerarann · Fri May 18, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 27):
Sligo-MAN service has 16 on board.

Thats satisfactory enough i presume, considering its not even 1 week in operation

shamrock350 · Fri May 18, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Apparently, EI-DVF was delivered yesterday (according to other sites); has EI-DVE or EI-DUO been delivered yet? I'm off to the airport shortly, so hopefully I'll see one of them out there.

EI-DVF isn't coming until June apparently, has there been any photos of it?

This was updated yesterday and shows EI-DVE delivered but EI-DUO and EI-DVF are still in TLS.
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fleet_listings/aer_lingus.htm

jwmd123 · Fri May 18, 2007 6:50 pm

Bit of breaking news

DAA in €307m Birmingham stake sale
Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:57
The Dublin Airport Authority has conditionally agreed to sell its 24% stake in Birmingham airport, Britain's fifth largest, for €320m (£220m) to US pension fund interests.

The airport authority owns the stake via its subsidiary Aer Rianta International, and another shareholder, Australian bank Macquarie, is also selling its 24% stake.

The DAA and Macquarie are selling their combined 48% stake to Airport Group Investments Limited, a consortium comprising Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan Board and Victorian Funds Management Corporation, for a combined consideration of £420 million.

AdvertisementCompletion of the transaction is subject to certain conditions, and is not expected to occur for a number of months, a statement from the DAA said.

The DAA's director of communications Vincent Wall says the deal could take three months and there will be many claims on the proceeds, namely the €2 billion investment in Dublin airport.

OA260 · Fri May 18, 2007 7:10 pm

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 38):
I don't care for boeing or Airbus, DUB or SNN

I dont care about A v B as I like different AC . I like the A380 and the 787 , it took me a while to warm to the XWB but in the end I will PROBABLY like both .

As for DUB ORK and SNN , I think all have the equal right to the same facilities and runway lengths and no one has the right to expect something more than the other. Im not from DUB or SNN or ORK so im not that biased. BHD is as close to me as DUB.

I think that there should be a proper plan to have all 3 airports DUB ORK and SNN to have the ability to land a 747 so that it gives airlines and local communites the same ability to attract airlines.

n272wa · Fri May 18, 2007 7:23 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 45):
I dont care about A v B as I like different AC . I like the A380 and the 787 , it took me a while to warm to the XWB but in the end I will PROBABLY like both .

Thats Good to hear OA260 Big grin

Likewise, I will probably like both after initial doubt.

rineanna · Fri May 18, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 37):
I really hope we hear somethin on the l/h front @ orly.

Is the Paris air show not on at Le Bourget?

Quoting AerArann (Reply 42):
Thats satisfactory enough i presume, considering its not even 1 week in operation

Hopefully it'll work out for RE and Sligo. Sligo was kind of stagnating with just the DUB flights as their sole movementrs for the day. It's nice to see neww routes being introduced there, and more importantly RE's willingness to invest in new routes from egional centres. They've a big challenge to attract the PAX away from WW at NOC, however.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 39):
dont think its [all] about Geography. Naturally that will play a part. Otherwise we would not ahve these very threads

shamrock350 · Fri May 18, 2007 7:32 pm

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 47):
Is the Paris air show not on at Le Bourget?

Yes its been there for the past few years that I can remember. Either way it's in France and I hope the order goes for the French (European) plane maker Big grin

n272wa · Fri May 18, 2007 7:43 pm

Aye I would like to see RE exapand a wee bit more at places like CFN, SXL and KIR. At my home airport in Donegal, we have the 2 daily to DUB and then a few days weekly to PIK. I'd like to one day see CFN linked with LTN but I guess, people will continue to use FR at LDY.

I wonder when EI scale back on DUB-SNN, will RE take up the route for a 3rd time, given that it has already been pulled twice. Twice I tried to fly DUB-SNN, once with RE (canx due to fog) and once with EUJet (which went bust).... lol. The 330 is your only man on that route I think!!

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