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CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:01 am
by airplanetire
I'm flying Continental from ATL to TLV on Friday and will be returning in June. I'm familiar with the general configuration of CO's 777s in economy (3-3-3) and I know that CO has just received 2 more 777s with 2 additional BusinessFirst seats. As I understand it, there is no change to the economy configuration on those aircraft. Anyway, I was looking at the seat maps for my two 777 flights and noticed a slight difference. On the outbound flight, economy starts at row 16. Rows 29-31 are missing because of lavatories, but then it continues uninterrupted until row 45. There are only 3 middle seats in row 45. On the return flight, economy also starts at row 16 and rows 29-31 are also missing. However, rows 36 and 37 are also missing and there is no row 45. Why are there these differences? Is there any difference in the aircraft (i.e. AVOD in one) besides the different row numbering? Thanks!

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:37 am
by crownvic
Cant help you on the difference in row numbers, however I have flown CO 777's (including Peter Max! ...yeah!) several times Trans-Pacific and the service in economy is geat! What I have found is that on several occassions the last two rows of economy are blocked by the crew which sets up a temporary rest area, hanging blankets and building makeshift beds out of seats... The last row on both sides has only two seats and its great if no one is next to you as you can kind of stretch out and watch both TV monitors, however the window seat is away from the window making it difficult to prop a pillow against....

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:40 am
by Alitalia744
are you flying thru EWR? Otherwise, you sure your on CO? they dont' fly ATL-TLV

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:50 am
by HnlBoi
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 2):

I was just going to ask the same question.......He might even be on DL metal as DL flies to TLV from ATL. I believe DL and CO codeshare on that flight? Forgive me if im wrong

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:57 pm
by airplanetire
I forgot to add that I'm flying CO to TLV via EWR. Sorry for the confusion.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:11 pm
by codc10
AFAIK CO and DL do not codeshare on any intercontinental flights (many are in competition with each other), although they do codeshare quite extensively within the 50 states.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:41 pm
by ManchesterMAN
Rows 36 and 37 are often missing from the co.com seat map as I think they are held back from pre-assignment on some flights. Same happened when I flew LGW-EWR recently. These seats did however appear 2 days before departure and could be selected. They certainly exist on the aircraft.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:08 pm
by dutchjet
There are seats that ""Blocked"" and ""Permanently Blocked"" in the CO system.....these seats are used to provide accommodation for special needs passengers, pilot rest areas, crew rest facilities, and the like and cannot be prebooked and sometimes the seats themselves do not even appear on the CO seatmap for a specific flight. The best example is Seat 1B on 757s......frequently this seat is absent on seatmaps.

Once CO's system managers have a clear picture of what seats are needed and what seats are available for a specific flight, the subject seats will be released into the system and will become bookable. This can happen anytime from about 10 ten days prior to the flight until hours before check in depending on a variety of conditions including loads, crew staffing, etc.

Note, this should not be confused with certain premium seats, such as bulkhead and emergency row seats, which can be prebooked by CO Plattinum Elite members.......those seats will appear on the seating chart but cant be reserved by most pax.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:13 pm
by DiscoverCSG
Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
I'm flying Continental from ATL to TLV



Quoting Airplanetire (Reply 4):
I forgot to add that I'm flying CO to TLV via EWR.

CO flight 84 (afternoon EWR departure) is ATL-TLV with a change of gauge (usually 735 to 772) at EWR.

Likewise, CO flight 85 (daylight) is TLV-ATL with a change of gauge (usually 772 to 735) at EWR



CO's other TLV rotation, 90/91 (late evening departures), is a direct flight with change of gauge to/from LAX.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:15 pm
by Alitalia744
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
There are seats that ""Blocked"" and ""Permanently Blocked"" in the CO system.....these seats are used to provide accommodation for special needs passengers, pilot rest areas, crew rest facilities, and the like and cannot be prebooked and sometimes the seats themselves do not even appear on the CO seatmap for a specific flight. The best example is Seat 1B on 757s......frequently this seat is absent on seatmaps.

Exactly, done on most airlines.

Welcome back Dutchie...

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:55 am
by 777gk
Also note that with the new 777s (019/020) there is a row 31DEF in D-zone which replaces 29DEF in C-zone on ships 001-018. The new ships also have 6DE where the old closet used to be in A-zone, and they pulled out one of the cans around the 2L/R crossaisle and replaced it with a closet. Additionally, one lav at the 3L/R crossaisle was removed to make way for a staircase to access the overhead crew rest facilities. All 777s will eventually be reconfigured in this arrangement.

Regarding crew rest, if memory serves, 10DEKL are blocked out on long hauls unless the aircraft is fitted with the overhead bunks, and 16/17DEF and 45DEF are reserved in the Y cabin. This is in addition to the two coffins immediately aft of the cockpit on the port side (on all ships) for flight crew use.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:23 am
by Junction
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 5):
CO and DL do not codeshare on any intercontinental flights

Not entirely correct...CO has codeshare with DL on ATL-SCL to south America.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:42 am
by airplanetire
Thanks for all of your responses! I didn't expect to get this many for such a specific question. I have a few other questions that you all might be able to answer. First, what are the registrations of CO's two new 777s? Second, do they have AVOD on the PTVs? Finally, are there still entertainment boxes for the PTVs at the window seats on the new 777s? I'm booked in window seats and I'm willing to put up with the boxes, but it would be great if they weren't there. Thanks a lot!

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:45 am
by dutchjet
Quoting Airplanetire (Reply 12):
First, what are the registrations of CO's two new 777s?

Ships 019 and 020

Quoting Airplanetire (Reply 12):
Second, do they have AVOD on the PTVs?

Yes.

Quoting Airplanetire (Reply 12):
Finally, are there still entertainment boxes for the PTVs at the window seats on the new 777s?

Yes.

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:48 am
by AA737-823
Quoting 777gk (Reply 10):
and they pulled out one of the cans

So they've removed two lavatories in the aircraft? That doesn't sound like a great idea to me... I can see removing one from BIzFirst, 4 lavs for 48 pax = 1 for each 12. But in economy, where they had 6 for 235, that's only 1 lav for 40 people... how can they get away with one fewer lavatory?

RE: CO 777 Configuration In Economy

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:07 am
by codc10
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):

So they've removed two lavatories in the aircraft? That doesn't sound like a great idea to me... I can see removing one from BIzFirst, 4 lavs for 48 pax = 1 for each 12. But in economy, where they had 6 for 235, that's only 1 lav for 40 people... how can they get away with one fewer lavatory?

IIRC, Delta's 777 only has 4 lavs for Y customers. My last DL 777 flight was ATL-MCO, and I was in back, and the only lavs I found were at the 3L/R doors in a similar configuration to CO's first 18 777s.

Looking on SeatGuru, I even found that Qantas long haul three-class 747-400s only have five lavatories for 318 in coach!