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QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 3:53 pm

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Qatar Airways looking for Boeing 777 pilots

DOHA • With Qatar Airways embarking on a major expansion, both in terms of opening up new routes and acquisition of aircraft, recruitment is also not lagging behind.

With the airline scheduled to receive the first of its Boeing 777s later this year, Qatar Airways is on the lookout for captains and first officers to fly the aircraft.

Captains are being offered a salary of QR48,700 which is inclusive of a housing allowance.

Other benefits include meal allowances, a subsidy for children's school fees and loss of licence, medical and group life insurance schemes.

First officers are offered similar benefits with a salary of around QR36,000.

Applicants for the post of a captain should be below the age of 62 and have a minimum of 6,000 hours flying experience of which 2,000 hours should be of command and 1,500 hours of jet command.

Moreover, he or she should have 500 hours of experience on type. Licenses, obviously, are a must in all cases.

Fort first officers, the minimum amount of hours flown should be 1,000 out of which 500 should be on type.

The age requirement for them is that applicants have to be below 50.

Qatar Airways is also seeking flight deck crew for its fleet of Airbus A300, A320 and A330 aircraft.

First officers in this case should be aged below 45. They will also be given type-rating conversions on the A300 or A320.

As for captains, they should have a total minimum of 6,000 hours of flying experience out of which 1,500 should be jet command.

Captains without a rating on aircraft which Qatar Airways operates, should have 6,000 hours with at last 2,000 in command of which 1,500 should be jet command.

The applicant should also have 500 hours on heavy/medium jets equipped with Electronic Flight Information Systems. (EFIS).

EFIS are glass cockpit avionics that integrate all flight parameters into one optimised instrument.


http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Dis...07&file=Local_News200705192319.xml

Monthly Salary: $13424 (Pilot)

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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 3:59 pm

Yeah NEWS FLASH: EK is in the same boat! You got a 777 type rating and what to move and fly overseas... Then apply at QR or EK.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Monthly Salary: $13424 (Pilot)

That is a crap salary for a captain.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 6:07 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 2):
That is a crap salary for a captain.

They'll have to raise it if it gets too hard to fill those places.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 6:12 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 2):
That is a crap salary for a captain.

Yes it is. Add 50% for starters and we can talk. Tax free. Plus housing. And schooling.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 6:53 pm

Savings on tax and insurance money, working for those companies in the Gulf is indeed a big plus, as specially we here in Europe pay a hell lot of tax money on all those salaries in the upper ranks.

Still, someone always has to think about returning to it's home-country. So it's a good advise to continue paying social security in the home-country as well, if you don't want to loose a remarkable amount of benefits on it. As the company is off-shore and logically not responsible for your personal savings in xx-country, this payments will result rather expensive for the employee.

I think, somebody interested in should count everything together and decide personally if it makes sense for him/her or not. It can always be an interesting job option, opening another job market after the Gulf as well. Anyone considering it: Good Luck and Happy Landings !

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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 8:04 pm

That's the basic salary and you have to add on the extras like 'per hour flying time', etc etc etc

QR or EK ???

Living in Doha or Dubai ???

No contest really - Dubai wins every time.

Saying that, the pilot groups at each of these are seriously unhappy, check out Pprune ........
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 6):
Dubai wins every time

This is fact, Dubai always win.
That amount of salary is not as a pilot would expect. I don't know how much EK pays but it seems more than this.

QR should prepared pilots long time ago, not now, they are running out of time.
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 8:30 pm

Is that 48,700 QR/month...?
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 8:34 pm

On a side note, aren't Fedex going to attract a lot off pilots from the other big US carriers since they pay the highest wages
in the business and are up for a fleet of 777 cargo planes?

The success of the 777 ,and also the 787 that is on its way, is going to increase the shortage of available pilots all over the world, there has been more than 1 report in the news of pilot shortages that start to give problems for more than 1 carrier in the EU and I guess also in the US / middle east and Far east.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 6):
That's the basic salary and you have to add on the extras like 'per hour flying time', etc etc etc

That still does not amount to much.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 7):
I don't know how much EK pays but it seems more than this.

EK is not all that good either, quality of life in the middle east is not fantastic, not exactly great for wife and kids, not exactly close for most to extended family, and not close to "normal" schools.

Driving in DXB is hopeless scenario, the locals get away with anything, they can have an accident and you will end up being in trouble, try and get a taxi etc as an expat also is not that easy, locals just push in.

On top of that, rosters are crap, and they are pulling another play on flight time limitations.

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 9):
The success of the 777 ,and also the 787 that is on its way, is going to increase the shortage of available pilots all over the world, there has been more than 1 report in the news of pilot shortages that start to give problems for more than 1 carrier in the EU and I guess also in the US / middle east and Far east.

The backlog in those aircraft is not the problem, its the couple of thousand of narrow body, regional, and turboprop aircraft that somehow have to be crewed by 50,000 pilots.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 8:58 pm

Prepare to see lots of QR and EK shiny new aircraft parked in 'secret' desert locations throughout the Middle East ......
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):

Driving in DXB is hopeless scenario, the locals get away with anything, they can have an accident and you will end up being in trouble, try and get a taxi etc as an expat also is not that easy, locals just push in.

...and Dubai is a dream, in all these respects, in comparison to Doha. The drivers here are the worst...absolutely the worst. I've been to more than a few cities around the globe and there is nothing that compares. Beware the white land cruiser.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 12):
Beware the white land cruiser.

Never a truer word spoken (or posted)  Smile  Smile  Smile

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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 2):
That is a crap salary for a captain.

Man you're picky. That's likely to be just the base salary without all the additional perks like housing, per diem, etc. It's also tax free and you get to fly a 777 in your 20's and 30's. All in all, I suspect the value of the package may be around 200K plus. There aren't many places in the Western World where you can start a wide-body career at such young age making that much money. Certainly not in the US.

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 5):
Still, someone always has to think about returning to it's home-country. So it's a good advise to continue paying social security in the home-country as well, if you don't want to loose a remarkable amount of benefits on it.

That's such an antiquated way of thinking. Why not just invest the money yourself and pay for your own retirement? The return on investment from personal investing is far greater than any contribution to a social security fund. The social responsibility aspect of it is indeed debatable but it certainly would not be a factor for deciding to work abroad, which is what I'm doing right  Smile
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 13):

The traffic in Dubai is merely annoying...the streets are a parking lot. 2005 ~1 million vehicles registered. 2006 ~ 1.25 million vehicles registered. They added 250,000 vehicles to their roads last year. Absolutely stunning.

In Doha, the traffic is dangerous. Every day, you have a very real chance of getting into an accident. Worst and most dangerous drivers ever...
What the...?
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 12):
Beware the white land cruiser.

Yes it seems to be the weapon of choice used by many

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
Man you're picky. That's likely to be just the base salary without all the additional perks like housing, per diem, etc. It's also tax free and you get to fly a 777 in your 20's and 30's. All in all, I suspect the value of the package may be around 200K plus. There aren't many places in the Western World where you can start a wide-body career at such young age making that much money. Certainly not in the US.

Since when is a US tax payer able to work "tax free" overseas ? My understanding is that the still need to pay US taxes.

Base salary of an FO is less than that, spend some time in the sand pit (middle east) and you will get over it very quickly, it also says it "inclusive of a housing allowance", it is not an entry level job, the want type rated people with 500 hrs on type.

EK used to pick the cheapest meal on the hotel menu at the destination, and that was your per diem.

Sorry, I have too many friend trying to leave the sand pit, which tells me it is not the place to be.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
That's such an antiquated way of thinking. Why not just invest the money yourself and pay for your own retirement? The return on investment from personal investing is far greater than any contribution to a social security fund. The social responsibility aspect of it is indeed debatable but it certainly would not be a factor for deciding to work abroad, which is what I'm doing right

Well, everybody his own ideas. Our system is still doing pretty well, and what I pay in the "National Founds" or however we want to call it, is money I will have for sure..... or at least quite sure. The one you invest personally can bring real high profits, this is without any doubts, but the higher the potential return, the closer you are in investing it in to a Casino!

Basically I don't care what every single individual thinks about those aspects. But we need to be realistic and not cheat ourselves by ignoring pure facts. If you want to compare a salary in the Gulf with a Salary in your home-country, you need to do all the mathematics up, till the bitter end, including all that old fashioned but still working stuff. If it results to be beneficial for you in the end, it's just great and I highly recommend doing it.

If not, think about the whole thing, as other colleagues mentioned: Do want to go overseas? Do you want to fly a widebody? Do you want to go long-range? Do you want to experience another culture? Do you want to work in a multinational company with people from all races and religions? etc etc. Many of those aspects can be very beneficial and worth more than any money. So, as I said, all has to be right and then it can absolutely be a great experience.

So, do your thing your way, I am doing mine my way and we both shall be happy with.

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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 16):
Since when is a US tax payer able to work "tax free" overseas ? My understanding is that the still need to pay US taxes.

Is this even when they have official residence in another country? When I was talking about "Tax-Free" I was considering leaving the home-country to live down there. If me as a Swiss gets a job for example in DXB, but still live here in Switzerland, I for sure pay my taxes here. If I live there, that means also I only return a limited number of days a year, then the tax rules there are applied for me.
Is that any different for US citizens? Thanks for any explanations and

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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 18):
Is that any different for US citizens?

From what the guys I fly with tell me yes, that is the case, something special to the US. Most countries are as you indicate, pay tax where you are a tax resident.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 16):
Since when is a US tax payer able to work "tax free" overseas ? My understanding is that the still need to pay US taxes.

I'm not a US citizen so I don't know. What I do know is that as an European citizen I pay takes only where my official residence is, ence the reason why so many European professional athletes "live" in Monaco  Smile I believe the same applies for US State taxes but I don't know about Federal taxes. Maybe a US citizen living and working abroad could clarify it.
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sat May 19, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 18):
s this even when they have official residence in another country?

Yes. Any citizen of the US, regardless of residency pays taxes on global income.
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 12:09 am

QR should look at PIA's, SVs & AIs B 777 pilots + the American carriers ones who will enjoy the tax free incentive + housing benefits more than others.

I think that EY/KU/QR & EK should pool some money in together and establish a pilot training school for A 330s/340s + B 787s/ B 777s to be based in one of their hubs. They should equally contribute 25% of the investment as it will benefit all of them in the long run.
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 22):
I think that EY/KU/QR & EK should pool some money in together and establish a pilot training school for A 330s/340s + B 787s/ B 777s to be based in one of their hubs. They should equally contribute 25% of the investment as it will benefit all of them in the long run.

Thats a very good point, all the Gulf carriers must start looking to their own nationals to crew their aircraft. I heard that many will sponsor nationals. The Qatar Aeronautical College also expanding fast to accommodate new cadets.

GF recently built a new A320 simulator centre in BAH, maybe a bit shortsighted but they should have included the A330 and A340.

There is still an old GF building on the perimeter of Doha airport and I think this used to be the GF training centre, not sure what plans there are for the NDIA or JXB for EK ???.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Captains are being offered a salary of QR48,700 which is inclusive of a housing allowance.

Other benefits include meal allowances, a subsidy for children's school fees and loss of licence, medical and group life insurance schemes.

First officers are offered similar benefits with a salary of around QR36,000.

To quote Zeke, that's a crap salary. For a captain or an FO.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
Man you're picky. That's likely to be just the base salary without all the additional perks like housing, per diem, etc. It's also tax free and you get to fly a 777 in your 20's and 30's. All in all, I suspect the value of the package may be around 200K plus. There aren't many places in the Western World where you can start a wide-body career at such young age making that much money. Certainly not in the US.



Quoting JAL777 (Reply 21):
Yes. Any citizen of the US, regardless of residency pays taxes on global income.

You may get per diem and flight allowances in addition, but that number includes housing. You will be paying out a huge portion of the income each month for appropriate housing. QR has always had a pretty deficient pay package. This isn't any better. And, if you are from the States, it is not tax-free. You get a foreign income exclusion, but the US makes you add housing allowances, schooling fees, leave allowances, etc. to get a total income. In the end, all you really get is the ability to deduct your housing costs and maybe the schooling fees. Plan on paying taxes on your income (if you are honest).
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 23):
GF recently built a new A320 simulator centre in BAH, maybe a bit shortsighted but they should have included the A330 and A340.

It does include 330 and 340 as well as 767, it is busy as hell, with all regional crews coming in for training.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
There aren't many places in the Western World where you can start a wide-body career at such young age making that much money. Certainly not in the US.

If you have the minimums they require you aren't starting your widebody career. The chances are high that if you have 500 hours on type you are not in your 20s or 30s either, though exceptions abound.
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 16):
have too many friend trying to leave the sand pit, which tells me it is not the place to be

even the place is not welcoming you, i think a person like your mentality is not welcomed here at all, so don't bother wasting your time thinking about them and how bad they are  Big grin
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 3:41 am

Now Now boys and girls, let's keep it on topic  Smile
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 3:46 am

A little bit off topic but Sheikh Mohammed in Dubai has realised there is a skill shortage and is doing sometthing about it with quite a lot of money aimed at improving education :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6672923.stm
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 5:52 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Captains are being offered a salary of QR48,700 which is inclusive of a housing allowance.

I don't mean to be insensitive, though I saw this documentary of pilots on a VS 747 on LHR-JFK, they claimed they were on 250,000 pounds anually, and worked about 8 months of the year. Is this true, over exagerated?

I also heard about a pilot someone knew that worked for CX Cargo, on $300,000 a year.

I know they get paid a lot, though these figures sound astronomical, can anyone give a more accurate salary?
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 26):
If you have the minimums they require you aren't starting your widebody career. The chances are high that if you have 500 hours on type you are not in your 20s or 30s either, though exceptions abound.

Fair enough, although if you read the entire post I got the impression that you don't need to be type rated: "Captains without a rating on aircraft which Qatar Airways operates, should have 6,000 hours with at last 2,000 in command of which 1,500 should be jet command."
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 31):

Fair enough, although if you read the entire post I got the impression that you don't need to be type rated: "Captains without a rating on aircraft which Qatar Airways operates, should have 6,000 hours with at last 2,000 in command of which 1,500 should be jet command."

6000 hours w/ 200 PIC is ALOT of time.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 7:53 am

I have 2000 hours on Flight Sim.

I sent in my resume.
nothing
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 8:36 am

Hey, it beats the heck out of flying a Barbie Jet as far as I am concerned!
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 8:44 am

They will never learn, will they Zeke? Go to any expat bar anywhere in the world and you will hear the same tale of woe. Its all right at the start, but try cutting that salary in half after the divorce, and try enjoying life at all on 7 days off a month.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 6:04 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Monthly Salary: $13424 (Pilot)

Guessing this is American $'s? Any reason why they do it in that currency other than their own salary since American $'s is very volatile nowadays.
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 6:05 pm

All this could me good for me. Keep expanding you middle eastermn carriers, then you will sponsor me to learn iwth you Big grin
 
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting JAL777 (Reply 21):
Yes. Any citizen of the US, regardless of residency pays taxes on global income.

That's right. Any income over $80,000 abroad requires payment at the nominal taxable rate for your reported income. One of the reasons I'll always keep my salary in Japan under 8.5 million yen. There's no way in hell I'm paying Uncle Sam again.
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RE: QR Looking For 777 Pilots

Sun May 20, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 38):
There's no way in hell I'm paying Uncle Sam again.

Interesting. This is way off topic but I'm curious, how does uncle Sam know how much you're making or whether you're even employed? Isn't that what Swiss bank accounts are for?  Smile

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