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The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 3:59 pm

Did a search but couldn't find anything

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1826731.ece

Fair use excerpt:

"A 70-seater Airbus, likely to be an A320, will be bought for long-haul flights and a smaller 15-seat executive jet will be purchased for flights to European capitals. Both will be bought on the secondhand market. "

"The main aircraft will be used by the Queen for a handful of times a year when she travels on major international trips. If Mr Brown follows Mr Blair’s example he will use it far more often. Mr Blair has made several long-haul trips each year. Scores of the seats will be taken out so that the aircraft can be fitted with communications equipment. There will be antimissile devices and it is likely to be flown by an RAF crew. There will be beds and wardrobes for the use of the Prime Minister, the Queen and staff, and it will fly at altitudes of up to 40,000 ft "


Interesting article from The Times. Looks like the days of chartering BA 777's is finally over. Does this mean the Queen's flight BAE 146's will be disposed of ?

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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 4:18 pm

I guess the 146's will go. They always seemed an odd choice given their limited range. Presumably the A320 will be converted to a CJ version to it extra range? If its going to be sourced from the second hand market, will they possibly pick up one of BA's early A320's or would they be considered too long in the tooth?

I remember watching an episode of BBC 1's 'Airport' on which the Queen travelled to New Zealand on the Scheduled ANZ flight out of LHR. She had the entire F cabin to herself mind and IIRC she had the seats replaced by 'royal seats'

Does anyone know if she has travelled on a scheduled flight since. I'm not a fan of the Monarchy but it seems strange that she would travel on the same flight as the general public.

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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting BritMidDC9 (Reply 1):
Does anyone know if she has travelled on a scheduled flight since. I'm not a fan of the Monarchy but it seems strange that she would travel on the same flight as the general public.

Ive got to agree, I'm not a fan of the monarchy, but when the Queen flies Ryanair-economy to a meeting with three multi-billionaires.. it doesnt set the right impression. (Even if in reality it is the true cheap downtrodden british image).
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 5:10 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):
Ive got to agree, I'm not a fan of the monarchy, but when the Queen flies Ryanair-economy to a meeting with three multi-billionaires.. it doesnt set the right impression. (Even if in reality it is the true cheap downtrodden british image).

I've got to agree too, but although a UK government A320 is an improvement, I wonder if it's going to look a little inferior alongside the 747's of the US and Middle Eastern governments / monarchies.

Anyone got any idea what paint scheme these aircraft are likely to have ?

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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 6:08 pm

I think it's an absolute disgrace that on the one hand the government are telling the British public to fly less and use public transport to cut down on our emissions of greenhouse gases, and on the other the PM will be getting a pair of private jets for him and his entourage. More than anybody, I appreciate the need for air travel, but he has done perfectly well, as have the Royals, using flights available to the general public (ie public transport, BA) so I fail to see why this can't continue.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3):
I've got to agree too, but although a UK government A320 is an improvement, I wonder if it's going to look a little inferior alongside the 747's of the US and Middle Eastern governments / monarchies.

At least it won't be out of place between the different European governments respective a/c. Except for the French who have a couple old 340s, the rest are a bunch of A310s, A319CJ and even the odd 727 and 707 around.

IIRC the Spanish Air Force recently decommissioned their 707 and for the moment are going around with two A310s.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 6:34 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
At least it won't be out of place between the different European governments respective a/c. Except for the French who have a couple old 340s, the rest are a bunch of A310s, A319CJ and even the odd 727 and 707 around.

Fair point, thanks for clarifying  Wink

Quoting Findingnema (Reply 4):
and on the other the PM will be getting a pair of private jets for him and his entourage

I'm sure an A320 has a smaller carbon footprint that the 772 which he usually charters from BA (as far as I know he doesn't take scheduled flights when flying on business in general). I'm no expert and may well be wrong but would have thought that these 2 newer jets will be more efficient that the BAe 146's that are currently operated.

However I'm sure when he or Brown go on holiday they will continue to use scheduled services like Blair's recent trip to MIA.

IIRC the Queen also did some kind of carbon offsetting on her recent trip to the US, and I'm sure there will be some government policy to do the same for these new jets.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 6:48 pm

A320s not easy to get hold of. Cycles not a problem so they could get a tired old one - by the time it is fully refitted with comms equipment etc and new leather seats etc it will be good as new in the parts that matter.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 8:04 pm

What a shame. I really had been hoping for a single A340-500. It takes you (almost) anywhere in the world, it looks stunning, it has RR engines (!) and it flies the flag for what's left of the UK aerospace industry. I'm not a fan of the Royals but I do think that Heads of Government should travel in a certain style.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 8:26 pm

Quoting Findingnema (Reply 4):
I think it's an absolute disgrace that on the one hand the government are telling the British public to fly less and use public transport to cut down on our emissions of greenhouse gases, and on the other the PM will be getting a pair of private jets for him and his entourage. More than anybody, I appreciate the need for air travel, but he has done perfectly well, as have the Royals, using flights available to the general public (ie public transport, BA) so I fail to see why this can't continue.

Sad but true, the PM and the Royals need more protection than the general population, because they are a more attractive target to terrorists than the general population. The fact that nothing bad has happened in the past doesn't mean nothing bad will happen in the future.

For the cynics amongst us, look at the bright side, if an antiaircraft missle does take down "Blair Force One", then the terrorists won't be killing off innocent members of the general population who happened to book the same flight the Queen or Blair took.

It's kind of funny to see that a used aircraft is to be purchased. What a sense of false modesty and false economy! I'll bet the cost of the customizations will exceed the cost of a new aircraft, and the cost of the equivalent of a D check to bring the plane up to snuff will be such that you might as well buy a new aircraft.

It seems strange that in a country that has a Queen, the general population has such a hard time accepting that politicians and royals are a privileged class. They are. Get over it!
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
Blair Force One

Isn't it "Brown Force One" now?
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
Isn't it "Brown Force One" now?

Not yet. Not until after the G8 summit.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
Isn't it "Brown Force One" now?

Doesn't bring up the best mental imagery, I'm afraid...

Sounds like the title to an afro-american porn flick!  Smile  Big grin  Wow!  Silly  stirthepot 

In any case, I'm just going off the title of this thread.

And of course the best time to order the plane is now, so it can be blamed on Blair instead of Brown.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
Doesn't bring up the best mental imagery, I'm afraid...

Sounds like the title to an afro-american porn flick!

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Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
And of course the best time to order the plane is now, so it can be blamed on Blair instead of Brown.

Blamed or thanked for? I am also of those people who believe heads of state should have their own aircraft. And an a320 and a medium sized private jet are not bad IMHO. At least they're not buying 2 747's...  duck 

Besides, as mentioned earlier, the carbon footprint of an a320 is less than of a 777 which would be used for the same flight in the current situation.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 9:17 pm

I heard on TV this morning,that 100 Million UK £ had been set aside for the aircraft.
I'd say they intend buying brand new.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 9:25 pm

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 14):
I heard on TV this morning,that 100 Million UK £ had been set aside for the aircraft.
I'd say they intend buying brand new.

From the article (which of course may be wrong)

"A 70-seater Airbus, likely to be an A320, will be bought for long-haul flights and a smaller 15-seat executive jet will be purchased for flights to European capitals. Both will be bought on the secondhand market. "
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):
It seems strange that in a country that has a Queen, the general population has such a hard time accepting that politicians and royals are a privileged class.

Perhaps it's because we (yes, I am British) have a Royal Family that some of us are so indignant about privilege. I, for one, would prefer a meritocracy where we are all 'citizens' rather than 'subjects'.

Of course, for reasons of security, efficiency and decorum senior politicians should travel in some style. But we don't need to spend squillions pampering the parasitic aristocracy.  duck 
 
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Wed May 23, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Of course, for reasons of security, efficiency and decorum senior politicians should travel in some style. But we don't need to spend squillions pampering the parasitic aristocracy.

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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 10:12 pm

2nd hand doesn't seem the right way to go. We in the UK are notoriously mean when it comes to replacement of aircraft for military/government use; hence the RAF flying VC10's and Tristars held together with gaffer tape and a prayer, emitting more smoke than a power station. Both the Queen and the PM gave up using the VC10's yeasr ago, and chartered BA instead.
We will buy 2nd hand, and in 30 years time be operating aircraft well past their sell buy date.

At least chartering from BA produces a modern aircraft, with a fresh interior, which is periodically updated. The minor officials and reporters who fill up the back on these trips, could if the present arrangements continue; look forward to New club world, and/or AVOD. Whats the chance of this on a government owned plane ?
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 10:48 pm

I wonder what the livery will be for the A320?
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 10:53 pm

Given that the chosen configuration of the A320 will be only 70, the Exec Jet is going to be no tiddler.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 13):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
And of course the best time to order the plane is now, so it can be blamed on Blair instead of Brown.

Blamed or thanked for? I am also of those people who believe heads of state should have their own aircraft. And an a320 and a medium sized private jet are not bad IMHO. At least they're not buying 2 747's...

Let's be clear: if it is proves to be a popular move, Brown will surely take credit - he will have the photo op getting on and off the aircraft. If unpopular, then it was Blair.

Here in Canada our PM uses a military A310 on some occasions, and a Challenger on others. I for one don't mind politicians and heads of state using these aircraft, for a whole host of reasons, including security, conveniece/timing... (as long as they don't take the A310 to go to the cottage). There is a tendancy these days for some to object to any spending without thinking about whether it is justified or not, and this is one example IMHO.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:03 pm

a 320? Is that a sufficient size to carry the PM and his entourage? I would think a larger plane is necessary. Especially if a portion of the plane is being fitted with communications and other parts are fitted with beds and wardrobes.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 20):
Given that the chosen configuration of the A320 will be only 70, the Exec Jet is going to be no tiddler.

I'd imagine a global express or something similar?
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:09 pm

Not a bad plane. They have been after this for years. I believe the Queen was originally to share it, but she wanted a Gulfstream at the time.



Although I wonder would they be better off just fitting one of the KC330s with a Govt interior.

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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:20 pm

I think its perfectly reasonable for the UK to have such an aircraft, the President has Air Force One which is respected and represents prestige of the country. I don't know which President said that, he felt more people came to see Air Force One than him. Although an A320 won't have the same prestige, we ought to get an A380 and trump Air Force One.

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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 13):
At least they're not buying 2 747's...

You have to remember the context in which those planes were bought and their intended use. They are designed to allow the President to run a nuclear war during a nuclear exchange and stay in the air pretty much forever with refueling. For that job an A320 is not sufficient. The plane the UK is getting is basically an executive taxi. The various 747's and other large planes in the US inventory are designed to be flying command post in the event of a full on nuclear exchange.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:36 pm

This is one of the few times that I don't have a problem with a head of state acquiring a new VIP aircraft. Certainly the planes our Australian Govt had for many years were disgraceful, and the Boeing BBJ's have been great upgrades.

It actually amazes me that the UK Government hadn't bother to pick up dedicated aircraft instead of leasing airlines ops.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 24):
Not a bad plane. They have been after this for years. I believe the Queen was originally to share it, but she wanted a Gulfstream at the time.

Can you imagine the Queen surfing Airliners.net and saying 'One likes the look of that aircraft, the Gulfstream. Thou shalt take two of those.'

The A320 seems like a good choice. No point in getting anything too large. What will the range of this A320 be with most of the seats removes. Possibly some extra fuel tanks added?
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 19):
I wonder what the livery will be for the A320?

I'd say if it was operated by the RAF, then it might be painted in the grey scheme with the black lightening streak down the side similar to the VC-10s. But they might change it, I'm just speculating.

Though I'd love to see something very patriotic, with the Union Flag's colours all around, I doubt it.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Wed May 23, 2007 11:47 pm

Quoting Dsa (Reply 25):
I don't know which President said that, he felt more people came to see Air Force One than him.

That was Clinton.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 22):
a 320? Is that a sufficient size to carry the PM and his entourage? I would think a larger plane is necessary. Especially if a portion of the plane is being fitted with communications and other parts are fitted with beds and wardrobes.

Presently the Royal fit involves stripping out the 1st class cabin on a 772, installing 2 beds, and a dining table plus a changing area. The royal aides travel in club , the domestics in WTP Some of world traveller is removed to provide stowage space for clothing etc required on the flight (obviously the Queen doesn't emerge after 20 hours or so in crumpled clothes, and needs to be wearing something appropriate for the weather, so a choice is necessary). The remainder is sold to the press.

If an A320 is chosen, I can't see how the press corps are going to fit on board.

Likewise for Prime ministerial travel the press sit in the back at present, but are unlikely to fit in an A320.

If there were not room for them, this will be rather inconvenient for the journalists. At present I assume they quickly disembark from the back ready to capture the official disembarkation from the front; and do the reverse at the end.
If travelling separately, they would need to do a bit of overtaking in the air to be ready at the next destination.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
A320s not easy to get hold of. Cycles not a problem so they could get a tired old one - by the time it is fully refitted with comms equipment etc and new leather seats etc it will be good as new in the parts that matter.

Actually there are A320s available on the used market. There are just so many already produced. If you go somewhere like Airfleets, you'd see that most of the A320s produced in the first 5 years have changed hands already.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 12:15 am

I bet it'll be called "RAF 1"
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting Dsa (Reply 25):
we ought to get an A380 and trump Air Force One.

Perhaps ordering a plane that can land at a significant number of fields will be appropriate.  wink 

I'm not really a fan of governments wasting money on extravagances, but if the British taxpayers are for an "official VIP government aircraft" then I would support it myself. IMHO I think the A320 may be too small and might be still inconvenient to fly to many long range destinations. I feel that stopping frequently for fuel will be unbecoming of a VIP government aircraft. Perhaps an A340 would have been a better choice.
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3):
Anyone got any idea what paint scheme these aircraft are likely to have ?

Unless it's redesigned, a version of the current "Royal Flight" colours, probably. A straight RAF "livery" would be TOOOO boring for such a prestige aircraft.

Quoting BritMidDC9 (Reply 1):
I guess the 146's will go. They always seemed an odd choice given their limited range.

Apart from trying to support the then UK Aerospace indutry (Not to be critcal of the industy's saviour, Airbus - we still had one in our own name back then!  Wink ) I expect the take-off performance available for trips up to the Royal Scottish estates, nearer smaller airports, was a deciding factor - at least till Charlie went and "Bent" one slightly.......  Wink
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 12:51 am

I'm actually lucky enough to have flown on a 777 with Blair. He sits in F with his closest aides; Downing Street staff and flunkies are in J and the press are in WTP - but with Club meals etc and lots of spare seats.

The service from the BA staff is quite simply stunning and I understand it's quite a mark of status to get an F/A job on one of these flights.

Maybe others here can do the maths, but it looks to me that there might be enough seats in a 320 for everybody if some part was given over to Y or Y+ seatrong.

By the way - you haven't really sampled luxury until you've been on a trip with the PM or another ultra-VIP. Not even the best airlines provide F pax with a motorcycle and police car escort to transfer you straight from the runway into town - complete with sirens blaring and helicopters overhead.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting RJ777 (Reply 33):
I bet it'll be called "RAF 1"

When it carries the Royals, I think the aircraft concerned is dubbed "Ascot 1", or similar? (No doubt I'll soon be corrected if I'm wrong.  Wink ) Not sure if the same happens for non-Royal Government VIPS.......
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 26):
You have to remember the context in which those planes were bought and their intended use. They are designed to allow the President to run a nuclear war during a nuclear exchange and stay in the air pretty much forever with refueling.

I know and understand all that, but couldn't two 767's do that job too? I'm not sure if the 767 was available at that time though. IMHO, right now a 772LR would be ideal for the job (or an a345 as PM mentioned, but that's not going to happen for AF1).
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Of course, for reasons of security, efficiency and decorum senior politicians should travel in some style. But we don't need to spend squillions pampering the parasitic aristocracy.   

Parasitic aristocracy? I think that's a little strongly worded. I thought that when the Royal Family travels, it is mostly to represent British interests abroad. And let's not forget the millions the Royals bring in into the British economy through tourism, etc. To me, the real parasites are all those tycoons (US, russians, middle-eastern etc) who seem to have an insatiable appetite for large and over-the-top private planes. The British Royals have made quite a few efforts in recent years to appear more in touch with the people, and should be congratulated for it, not always critized.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 1:28 am

Personally, I think they should have gone for an A330. The a/c could then be used for crew training for the KC-330 crews when not required for VIP use, rather than using one of the tankers that could be deployed elsewhere.

I find it an embarrasment to our country when our head of state or the pm rock up in a chartered BA 777. The UK is one of the richest nations on earth, even Nigeria has a BBJ and a G-V for VIP transport so we can certainly affoard to have something decent of our own.

Don't see anyone complaining about Japan's 2x 744's and the carbon footprint they must produce !!.

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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 38):
I know and understand all that, but couldn't two 767's do that job too? I'm not sure if the 767 was available at that time though. IMHO, right now a 772LR would be ideal for the job (or an a345 as PM mentioned, but that's not going to happen for AF1).

The 767 was avaliable but I do not think you understand the volume and weight of equipment that is carried on the VC-25. The size is quite necessary to meet the various duties and functions necessitated by the Aircraft. The 747 is simply the only thing out there that really fits all the needs of Air Force One.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 2:17 am

Shame. I was hoping they would get a beautiful 747 not a Airbus.
 
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 2:46 am

I can see a need for a small biz jet but an A320 - i think it would be far better, and probbaly cheaper to use a new A330 tanker were meant to be getting. And in the occasional event all the A330's are needed for tanking duties, then just hire a civillian jet again (such as a BA 772)
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Joni
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 18):
2nd hand doesn't seem the right way to go.



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 18):
At least chartering from BA produces a modern aircraft, with a fresh interior, which is periodically updated.

I think the planes will have a fresh interior, with all the existing seats and lavatories stripped out and replaced with an all-new configuration. It'll look and feel exactly like a new plane, just cost less.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 22):
Especially if a portion of the plane is being fitted with communications

These "comms equipment" can fit into a pretty small space nowadays (unlike when the US air-force 1 planes were built).
 
bigjku
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Joni (Reply 44):
These "comms equipment" can fit into a pretty small space nowadays (unlike when the US air-force 1 planes were built).

Comms equipment can. Hardened, secure C3I suites take up a ton of space, power generation and people to operate effectivly. The UK does not have the demands the US has so the plane is sufficient for them.
 
jfk777
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 4:55 am

I was hoping for A330-200 with Rolls engines. Many third world countries have A320's, the UK should aspire to an airplane worthy of its stature.
 
drgmobile
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 5:11 am

Consensus among this group seems to be that the A320 is too small. It would seem that way to me to, in light of the press carrying role and the fact that the PM currently charters a 777 (and not one of BA's smaller aircraft) but then since Australia's PM flies in a BBJ, how does the Australian PMO deal with the travelling press issue?

Personally, I quite like our Canadian Forces Polaris (A310), with its dark livery. Very menacing. Just like Canada.
 
egmcman
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 5:51 am

Could an A320 operate out of RAF Northolt?

This has been discussed many times here.
 
Bongodog1964
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RE: The Times: Blair Force One On Order

Thu May 24, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting Joni (Reply 44):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 18):
At least chartering from BA produces a modern aircraft, with a fresh interior, which is periodically updated.

I think the planes will have a fresh interior, with all the existing seats and lavatories stripped out and replaced with an all-new configuration. It'll look and feel exactly like a new plane, just cost less.

I have no doubt that they will start off with a new interior; the thing is though that with our puritanical attitude to expenditure on VIP travel, the interior will probably never get updated thereafter

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