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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 99):
LPB can't have departing long-haul flights due to it's extreme altitude.

Actually that's one of the reasons why CM can't fly to LPB, the other being that because of their specifications none of its aircraft can't operate in high altitude airports (like CUZ or LPB). If you land a CM aircraft in CUZ or LPB for sure the oxygen mask would come out as soon as the aircraft matches the barometric pressure inside with the outsite. Anyhow, if it's up to the PTY - Bolivia airtraffic demand (not that matters that much), then CM has more to do @ VVI than LPB.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:32 pm

CCS 224 10:07 1234567

CCS 223 11:56 1234567

CCS 220 20:40 1234567

Is this an error or is CCS going 3X daily? If this is true, when will CM start its 3rd daily?

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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 101):
CCS 224 10:07 1234567

CCS 223 11:56 1234567

CCS 220 20:40 1234567

Is this an error or is CCS going 3X daily? If this is true, when will CM start its 3rd daily?

So CCS gets to go thrice daily while MAR keeps one daily.. Unfair to the Maracuchos I would say.. twice daily to both CCS and MAR would make a better impression in Venezuela..
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 101):
Is this an error or is CCS going 3X daily?

Luis,

It is no error. Copa has applied for a third daily flight to Caracas and has already got permission to do so.
Yet, starting date is unclear and may possibly be introduced by Christmas. It is definitely not for the summer as you can easily check in the airline's July and August schedules.

As far as I know, Cancún is set to go twice daily by Christmas too.

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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting CM767 (Reply 96):
MTY XXX 19:12 12_456_

Is this true?
i was not aware of this service.
Currently P5 is asking permission for this flight, and rumor has it that it is to help parent company CM to gain rights in this route.

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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 104):
Currently P5 is asking permission for this flight, and rumor has it that it is to help parent company CM to gain rights in this route.

CM shouldn't have any problems requesting rights to fly to any Mexican airports other than MEX. That P5 request may have to do more with CM not having enough E190 to fly the MTY route themselves or the need to "legalize" that 2nd P5 BOG-PTY daily as an stop on the BOG-MTY route.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:17 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Note that MIA is increased to only 20 weekly flights instead of 21 weekly (like when it was originally loaded). That is because that 21st frequency will still be launched, but instead of being from Panama City, it will be non-stop from David, Panama.

OK, Back to the post before hijacking. Mark, so CM will make a go at it once a week. Is that a smart move? I have not even heard of David until now. Just searched it. 125,000 people? I'm assuming it's something like Saturday only. Also, I guess it will be PTY-David? - MIA. Basically, a 1 stop deal. Is Panama trying to turn David into a Liberia?


From Yahoo travel: David has few attractions but is a good place to break a journey between Panamá City and Costa Rica, Bocas del Toro or the Chiriquí highlands – the last can be visited as a day-trip, though it's much better to stay up in Boquete or Cerro Punta if you have the time.
 
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 106):
I have not even heard of David until now.

"

David is the third largest city in Panama and the capital of the Chiriqui province. It is a very convenient stop over point for several important destinations within Chiriqui, such as the flower and coffee highlands of Boquete and Cerro Punta. It is located 45 minutes from Paso Canoas, the border of Costa Rica and you can also drive to Bocas del Toro via David with your rental car...


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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:36 am

Re DAV
IMHO the only way CM could make DAV work would be to have it as a stop enroute to SJO or MGA, mostlikely daily and without domestic any PTY-DAV-PTY traffic, only connecting traffic to/fr PTY hub allowed.
That PTY-DAV-MIA is a pipe-dream.
And yes, eventually Panama wants to turn DAV to our own LIR.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:32 pm

MIA-DAV will work just fine as long as they get some vacation contracts. DAV-SJO or DAV-MGA is ridiculous. When Copa flies to DAV, it will be from Miami, to bring in American tourists.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 109):
MIA-DAV will work just fine as long as they get some vacation contracts. DAV-SJO or DAV-MGA is ridiculous. When Copa flies to DAV, it will be from Miami, to bring in American tourists.

DAV will be competing with all other destination served from MIA for tourists, DAV is not LIR and it doesn't have huge resorts to support such operation based mainly on vacation contracts. Also there's the point that passengers from the rest of U.S.A. will have to connect in MIA to fly to/fr DAV and CM could only offer Skyteam connections CO, DL, NW there (eventually).

I've seen how high is the % of passengers on each daily PAC-DAV-DAV route are actually overnight connections form/to PTY.
If CM was add a Centralamerican flight with a stop in DAV, many passengers spending the night in PTY in order to make the connection to/Fr DAV @ PAC would choose to travel to DAV via PTY hub. 20-30 passengers to/fr DAV per each PTY-DAV-SJO/MGA and SJO/MGA-DAV-PTY flights would be enough to justify a DAV stop. And there's a limited underserved market for DAV-Centralamerica flights, in the best case scenario, the number of passengers embarking in DAV to SJO and MGA would be the same that are arriving from CM PTY hub on a daily basis and same the other way around.
Why offer a once-weekly MIA service, depending on a vacation contract, when CM could apply their daily service model to DAV and offer DAV daily from its PTY hub and a Centralamerican destination?
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 110):
Why offer a once-weekly MIA service, depending on a vacation contract, when CM could apply their daily service model to DAV and offer DAV daily from its PTY hub and a Centralamerican destination?

Simple reason. Find me a tour operator that is going to guarantee seats on a DAV-Central America flight. There isn't one.

Copa will go into David when, and only when, a tour operator guarantees seats. It doesn't matter that the flight is weekly - if a tour operator gets tourists into that plane, Copa will operate it. TACA has been operating a weekly flight from Roatan to each Houston and Miami for over a decade now, filled thanks to tour operators.

There is also a large American ex-pat community in Panama and around David, which will be another bonus for Miami service.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 111):
Simple reason. Find me a tour operator that is going to guarantee seats on a DAV-Central America flight. There isn't on

Why keep bringing a touroperator in this picture? Currently there're DAV-SJO flights on Air Panama without any touroperator guaranteed seats = there's demand. Given the number of international passengers flying PAC-DAV-PAC, rightnow DAV could support a daily CM flight provided DAV is used as a stop enroute to SJO or MGA and PTY-DAV-PTY are international segments with no-domestic traffic allowed. If CM is to offer DAV-SJO and/or DAV-MGA who is going to tells CM not to offer connections with CO (or DL) for DAV passengers at those airports if the DAV flights are timed to connect with CO or DL?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 111):
There is also a large American ex-pat community in Panama and around David, which will be another bonus for Miami service.

The large American ex-pat community in Chiirquí (near DAV) is overthere because they don't want to know about MIA or retiring in Florida. If a MIA-DAV service is needed, how come AA hasn't mentioned anything about it yet?.. AA Regional Jets should have the range to fly MIA-DAV.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 112):
AA Regional Jets should have the range to fly MIA-DAV.

They are not overwater equipped. Not happening.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:49 am

FWIW, Delta just announced JFK-PTY service starting, I believe, this December. Presumably, COPA will be in SkyTeam by then, raising the possibility of onward connections and codeshares from PTY.
 
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 110):
I've seen how high is the % of passengers on each daily PAC-DAV-DAV route are actually overnight connections form/to PTY.




I would say that up to 80% of traffic is overnight connections, for me the solution on PAC-PTY would be to offer this service with a regional partner, since Panama only has two decent regional and one is part of TA, the choice would be the new Air Panama, probably this would never happen, but a triangular flight PTY-DAV-BOC-PTY to feed the hubs of CM would be a winner.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 114):
FWIW, Delta just announced JFK-PTY service starting, I believe, this December. Presumably, COPA will be in SkyTeam by then, raising the possibility of onward connections and codeshares from PTY.

This would be with their own metal or a code share?, I am not sure that there is a market of a third flight from the NY/NJ area to PTY.

[Edited 2007-06-29 19:49:26]
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:22 am

P5s flights from colombia should also be counted in in those schedules (2x daily from BOG, 1x daily from CLO, MDE and CTG) I think they applied for all those freqs, i don´t know if they started all those flights, but they are flying to PTY, any insight?
 
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 80):
its CM flights or PMV to its CCS flights.

what about flights to PZO... I am sure they would be a best seller!

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 89):
What I don't really understand is why CM is not interested in Bolivia (La Paz and/or Santa Cruz). The market cannot be that small (smaller than Manaus, for example??), and given the instability of Lloyd why not pick a share of the Bolivia to US / Colombia / Venezuela / Caribbean / Central America market.

I think TA/LP is already heavy in the market
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 105):
P5 request may have to do more with CM not having enough E190

Honestly, seen from the outside, Copa seems not to have what it takes to operate the new hub structure with 4 banks. It's evident that they still have no control of the situation.

It's been more than a week since the 4 banks started to operate, and everything at Copa seems to be a complete mess. I just arrived from PTY and boy, what a disaster.

My evening PTY-MDE flight was delayed for 2 hours with no explanation whatsoever, and what originally was supposed to be a 73G turned out to be a E-190 with no Business Class, resulting in several grumpy elites. We got to walk up and down the terminal twice, as our departure gate was switched constantly. My mother traveled to PTY last Wednesday and basically the same story, they misteriously cancelled the morning MDE-PTY flight and booked her on the afternoon service.

Lack of preparation? I don't know, but it seems that this is more than just your average unexpected inconvinient. Here hoping that things settle down quickly.



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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:08 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 118):
My evening PTY-MDE flight was delayed for 2 hours with no explanation whatsoever, and what originally was supposed to be a 73G turned out to be a E-190 with no Business Class,

I thought that all CM E-190 had Biz class.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 118):
Lack of preparation?

Improvisation?
Or a combination of both?

I really don't understand how so they pretend to add more destinations [which will be great] before they improve them selfs in this regard.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 119):
I thought that all CM E-190 had Biz class.

It was an AeroRepublica Embraer, which are all-economy configured.



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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:11 am

How is CM doing in MVD and EZE?
 
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 121):

It was an AeroRepublica Embraer, which are all-economy configured.

A necessary clarification since this thread is about CM [yes I know that P5 belongs to CM].
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting Adicool (Reply 122):
How is CM doing in MVD and EZE?

As long as I know very well.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting Adicool (Reply 122):
How is CM doing in MVD and EZE?

MVD is doing good, I dont have the numbers for june or may but they should be around 75% of loads.

Also today AA restarted nonstop flights to MVD, the plane departed 1hr ago with just a couple of free seats in C class.
 
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:52 am

I was just wondering last year in The Tribune (A bahamian newspaper) Copa was talking about starting a service in 2007 from Panama to Nassau. I was just wondering what ever happened seeing that it never happened
 
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:07 pm

Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 126):
I was just wondering last year in The Tribune (A bahamian newspaper) Copa was talking about starting a service in 2007 from Panama to Nassau. I was just wondering what ever happened seeing that it never happened

From PTY ?

Most of the traffic to/from Bahamas is from Miami.
I don't see [just a personal thought] that is going to be a good business for CM.

BTW. Look at Bahamasair Problems. What Should Be Done? (by Bloodyrascal Jul 3 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting CM767 (Reply 96):
EWR 886 10:10 1234567

Isn't this a CO flight ?
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 128):
Isn't this a CO flight ?

Yes it is, the hole schedule posted above shows the hub operation with CO and with some planed flights that are not part of the operation just yet.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 126):
I was just wondering last year in The Tribune (A bahamian newspaper) Copa was talking about starting a service in 2007 from Panama to Nassau. I was just wondering what ever happened seeing that it never happened

For a NAS-PTY route to work, the traffic demand between NAS and Latinamerica of passengers that don't want to fly via MIA or HAV (lousy conection) have to be quite interesting. It's either that or CM must offer any (future) NAS flights immediate connections to/from PAP, KIN and/or POS.
Whichever the reason CM is to fly to NAS, IMHO PTY-NAS won't be able to support anything more than a thrice weekly w/E190.
I see more possibilities for a twice weekly E190 PTY-GCM, with or without BZE, with or without immediate ADZ connections, before any NAS service.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:08 pm

PTY-IAD, has started and I heard that loads are good.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:19 am

Argentine media is saying that the 1st 6 COR-PTY flights next month are sold out.
It seems that the COR route will be a good performer for CM.
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RE: Copa Airlines Announces 2007 Expansion Plans

Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:02 pm

Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 126):
I was just wondering last year in The Tribune (A bahamian newspaper) Copa was talking about starting a service in 2007 from Panama to Nassau. I was just wondering what ever happened seeing that it never happened

Bahamasair sends it's passengers to connect with Copa at MIA, it mentioned a future NAS-PTY link by either airline, but I don't think any link between Panama and The Bahamas will happen in the next 5 years.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 130):
IMHO PTY-NAS won't be able to support anything more than a thrice weekly w/E190.

Your nice, I wouldn't even give it that.
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