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Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:05 pm

EI have ordered 6 A330-300E aircraft and 6 A350XWB aircraft.

Deliveries of the A330-300E's will commmence in 2009, no firm date is set on the A350XWB's and they have taken options on a further 6 A350XWB's from 2018 onwards.

Source: EI Press release

Link is here:
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/L...wsPopup.aspx?id=1499508&source=RNS

Here is a copy of the statement text released by EI to the stock exchange:

Dublin, 6th June 2007
Aer Lingus Group plc ("Aer Lingus" or the "Airline") today announces a substantial expansion of its long haul fleet. The Airline has selected the new Airbus A350 XWB (extra wide body) and A330-300E (enhanced) aircraft to underpin its long haul growth strategy. This follows an extensive evaluation process and intensive negotiations and will allow the Airline to double its long haul fleet to fourteen Airbus aircraft by 2014. Aer Lingus will take delivery of six new A330-300E and six new A350 XWB aircraft, valued at $2.4bn at catalogue prices, with deliveries commencing in 2009. Substantial discounts off the catalogue prices have been negotiated. In addition, Aer Lingus will also be granted the option to purchase a further six A350 XWB aircraft for delivery by 2018.

This transaction is subject to shareholder approval, which will be sought at a specially convened Extraordinary General Meeting.

The expansion of the Aer Lingus long haul fleet commenced in 2007 with the delivery of a new A330-200E aircraft in May, to be followed by an A330-300E scheduled for delivery in June 2007, bringing the long haul fleet to nine aircraft. The transaction announced today will bring the long haul fleet to fourteen aircraft in 2014 through the delivery of five additional aircraft and the replacement of three older aircraft (one in 2009 and two in 2011). A further four aircraft will be replaced in 2015 and 2016. In addition, over the next few years Aer Lingus will be substantially improving the levels of passenger comfort in its existing aircraft in an upgrade programme.

The new A330-300E will offer increased passenger comfort coupled with greater fuel efficiency and a reduced environmental footprint. The A350 XWB is Airbus' newest aircraft and will be the world's most technologically advanced. It is designed to increase productivity, offer unparalleled levels of passenger comfort in its class whilst reducing operating costs. The A350 XWB will also be one of the most fuel-efficient commercial aircraft in the world.

Commenting on the announcement, Aer Lingus' Chief Executive Dermot Mannion said, "Following the successful IPO last autumn, in which we raised significant capital, we are pleased to announce this investment in new long haul aircraft. These aircraft are key to our growth ambitions which include new routes to the U.S. following the Open Skies agreement. The aircraft will complement our existing Airbus fleet and enhance our long haul network whilst offering a superior product to customers."

Speaking at the announcement, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers, John Leahy said, "We are absolutely delighted that Aer Lingus has chosen to modernise and expand its Airbus fleet. The A350 XWB will bring Aer Lingus industry leading operating costs and offer its customers best-in-class passenger comfort. The A330's continued winning economics and design is reinforced by the order."

This information is provided by RNS The company news service from the London Stock Exchange END

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:13 pm

Great news ! Probably A350XWB-800.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):

Good morning!

Wonderful news for the A330/A350. Please excuse my ignorance but what is an A330-300 E?

Cheers!
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:21 pm

Yes, good news for Airbus and their struggling A350 program.
But I am quite surprised at the options - 11 years down the road... wow!

And just what is a A330-300 E?

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:29 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
EI have ordered 6 A330-300E aircraft and 6 A350XWB aircraft.

Deliveries of the A330-300E's will commmence in 2009, no firm date is set on the A350XWB's and they have taken otpions on a further 6 A350XWB's from 2018 onwards.

This is wonderful news for both the A350 and A350X program. Airbus has finally managed to capture yet another launch customer for the program, from an important and respected customer.

I was rather surprised that they only ordered 6 A350's. I would suspect that the options held will be exercised in the near future.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 1):
Great news ! Probably A350XWB-800.

Both the A350-800 and 900 would work well for EI.  Smile

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 2):
Wonderful news for the A330/A350. Please excuse my ignorance but what is an A330-300 E?



Quoting N1786b (Reply 3):
And just what is a A330-300 E?

I would suspect that it is an enhanced version of the A330. Finnair also recently received an A340-300E.

Quoting N1786b (Reply 3):
Yes, good news for Airbus and their struggling A350 program.

Well in the past week we have received confirmation from Qatar (80), Kingfisher will also re-order (5) and now Aer Lingus (6). That is a total of 91 frames. Not bad for a struggling program  Wink

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:30 pm

There's an A340-300E which SA first took first delivery of which has slightly more efficient engines (1.1% IIRC), an LCD cockpit and a redesigned cabin. So i'd imagine the A330-300E has the similar cabin and cockpit enhancements, and perhaps some form of engine improvement.

Not a lot of difference.

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:42 pm

Congrats to Aer Lingus, nice airline with a good fleet, also congrats to Ireland for the strong economic development that allows this increase in aviation. Congrats to Airbus for selling good planes.

What are EI's long-range destinations? BOS, JFK, IAD, LAX, SFO, ORD, MCO, and DXB? They need more planes for that. Besides, after LT changed their livery, EI's A330s are probably the best-looking around.

Quoting N1786b (Reply 3):
Yes, good news for Airbus and their struggling A350 program.

Struggling, yes, yes, they just sold 80 to QR, now 6+6 to EI, and in LeBourget they sell 100 to EK, US will firm their 20, SU another 22, CI will get 10, BA 50, and IT another 5. (Warning, the orders in LeBourget are speculation and might not include all that will happen there.)
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:42 pm



Airbus A330 - The Best is Yet To Come Wink

Despite many members easily dismissing the capabilities/economics and even the survival of the A330, Airbus has demonstrated that this family is not only alive, but thriving, despite the EIS of the 787 on the horizon.

Airbus A330 Orders/commitments 2007

AIRBUS A330-200

Aercap x 10
Oman Air x 5
Avianca x 5

AIRBUS A330-200F

Avion Aircraft Trading x 8
Flyington x 6
Guggenheim x 6
MNG Cargo x 2 (* pending)
Intrepid x 20 (*pending)

AIRBUS A330-200 (MRTT/TANKER)

Royal Saudi Air Force x 2
United Arab Emirates Air Force x 3

AIRBUS A330-300

Air AsiaX x 10
Thai International x 8
Aer Lingus x 6

Total: 91 orders/commitments in less than six months.

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 6):
Well in the past week we have received confirmation from Qatar (80), Kingfisher will also re-order (5) and now Aer Lingus (6). That is a total of 91 frames. Not bad for a struggling program

Well, Qatar is OLD news - they signed up for that at the last Paris Air Show- and it is just another LoI - to be firmed up for sure. And IF they are also behind the firm order of 30 787s, it certainly isn't a ringing endorsement of Airbus's ability to deliver.

Kingfisher - yeah, they are buying 5 of everything Airbus makes. Good for Airbus as there are not very many customers for the A34Xs any more. But more to the point, they have nowhere to fly them unless they get a waiver or use Air Deccan's certificate. If I were AB I'd just hope the check doesn't bounce. Furthermore, it will be interesting to see the fleet changes they announce at Le Bourget.

Aer Lingus is a good win for them but the number is a little smaller than expected AND the options are up to 11 years away.

Don't get me wrong WINGS, the A350 has gotten a welcome shot in the arm after struggling for years to compete against the 787/777. There will be more announcements and resigning LoIs, MoUs, firm orders, new customers and all kinds of real or fabricated buzz in the next few weeks leading up to and during the air show. I can''t wait. Pass the popcorn!

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PS: Don't forget, since March 30th, Boeing has booked +90 FIRM 787 orders (that may include 30 for QATAR)

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:00 pm

This is great news! I'm glad I have the username "Shamrock350" now Big grin

The A330 has done EI very well over the years and I'm really pleased they will add more and add A350XWBs. It's interesting that many of us including myself expected EI to order 14 A350s and only a few A330s as interim but it looks like the A330 and A350 will make up the fleet in the future and I'm sure they will work well together.
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:06 pm

Amazed the order wasn't for 14 frames, ordering 6 330's instead of 350's

Maybe a rethink on expansion plans? Why order 330's eventhough delivery starting in 2009.

There could be a spanner in the works yet, as the order is subject to shareholder approval namely FR's 25% shareholding, MOL may have somehting to say about it.

Could have got 78's as quick ..........................
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:23 pm

Im happy to finally hear this order, and I would like to point out something that has not been mentioned yet - these are just the ones on direct order from airbus, Aer Lingus likes to lease about 50% of its fleet, so dont be surprised to see them take more A350s from a lessor.
The fact that they took the options from 2018 onwards suggests that they will take leases on aircraft for delivery before 2018 to replace the existing A330s, unless they are planning to recieve their A350s at a rate of just over one per year.

Quoting EI737NG (Reply 11):
Could have got 78's as quick ..........................

Not as quick as A330s though  

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
What are EI's long-range destinations? BOS, JFK, IAD, LAX, SFO, ORD, MCO, and DXB?

Yep, we will probably see some more next year.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 6):
There's an A340-300E which SA first took first delivery of which has slightly more efficient engines (1.1% IIRC), an LCD cockpit and a redesigned cabin. So i'd imagine the A330-300E has the similar cabin and cockpit enhancements, and perhaps some form of engine improvement.

Anybody know the range of the A330-300E? I cant see it having the range to reach many far east destinations.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
Quoting N1786b (Reply 3):
Yes, good news for Airbus and their struggling A350 program.

My advice: dont take the bait.

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting EI737NG (Reply 11):
Maybe a rethink on expansion plans? Why order 330's eventhough delivery starting in 2009.

There could be a spanner in the works yet, as the order is subject to shareholder approval namely FR's 25% shareholding, MOL may have somehting to say about it.

Could have got 78's as quick ..........................

In 2009? You must be kidding. MOL has 25% and will not be able to block the deal.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:39 pm

MOL only needs another 25% of shareholders to be onside with him. Never write him off
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:47 pm

Now , question : Who will be the next , having not commited to the old version of the A350 to order the A350XWB ?
...............of course except EK !
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 12):
Im happy to finally hear this order, and I would like to point out something that has not been mentioned yet - these are just the ones on direct order from airbus, Aer Lingus likes to lease about 50% of its fleet, so dont be surprised to see them take more A350s from a lessor.
The fact that they took the options from 2018 onwards suggests that they will take leases on aircraft for delivery before 2018 to replace the existing A330s, unless they are planning to receive their A350s at a rate of just over one per year.

Hi EI321, while EI have traditionally been big lessors, I think the benefits of ordering direct from Airbus on this deal was too great in terms of discounts for being one of the 1st operators of the A350XWB, something that a lessor couldn't do I would think, so I'm not sure we'll see many more long haul planes being leased.

I made an error in my opening text on the 6 options, they are actually for the A350XWB for delivery up to 2018, not starting then (it is clarified in the text) so from 2014 we may see the 6 options being exercised

I was going to ask the same question as you on the A330-300E range, are Asia routes possible with these or will we still struggle with the A330-200's until the A350's arrive?

3 A333's will be replaced between 2009 and 2011, so my guess is the leased 3 - DUB/CRK/ORD (or JFK) will go, while the 4th - which EI own will be kept until 2014 when the statement says 4 other aircraft will be replaced - read LAX/DAA/EWR and JFK (or ORD)

So the A332's wil be around for a while - so please EI - refit them!!
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:51 pm

Quoting EI737NG (Reply 14):
MOL only needs another 25% of shareholders to be onside with him. Never write him off

This is unlikely in my opinion. This basically means that if Ryanair were to object, they need half of the remaining shareholders to side with them. But Ryanair's reasons for objecting would be unique to Ryanair. Ryanair might object out of spite, but ordinary shareholders have the share price in mind and blocking expansion like this would likely have a negative effect on the share price. I cant see that happening.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:51 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Quoting RJ111 (Reply 6):
Well in the past week we have received confirmation from Qatar (80), Kingfisher will also re-order (5) and now Aer Lingus (6). That is a total of 91 frames. Not bad for a struggling program

Correction:
I was replying to WINGS and not RJ111.

I suppose it is the famous quote issue - sorry guys.

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:00 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 15):
Now , question : Who will be the next , having not commited to the old version of the A350 to order the A350XWB ?
...............of course except EK !

There are plenty of possibilities.

British Airways, Thai, Iberia, Air France, Lufthansa, SAS, South African, Aerolineas Argentinas, Etihad, CSA, MEA, etc
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:00 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 12):
Anybody know the range of the A330-300E? I cant see it having the range to reach many far east destinations.

According to Airbus the A330-300 range (with maximum pax) is 10,500 km / 5,650 nm, so depending on what the enhancements are, this may be slightly higher. Just a guess.

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Well, Qatar is OLD news - they signed up for that at the last Paris Air Show- and it is just another LoI - to be firmed up for sure.

Old news?? They previously committed to 60 A350. Now they have increased the order to 80 frames. They are also the launch customer for the A350-1000. They also did a 180º and went with RR. ( yes I know that GE hasn't committed yet).

For these reasons it is not old news.

Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
And IF they are also behind the firm order of 30 787s, it certainly isn't a ringing endorsement of Airbus's ability to deliver.

The order is for 30 787-800, which would work well, much like the A332/B777 combo.  Smile

Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Kingfisher - yeah, they are buying 5 of everything Airbus makes.

Not really. They have more than 5 A32X, they will also be taking their A380 up to 10 ( if rumours are correct.)  Wink

Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Aer Lingus is a good win for them but the number is a little smaller than expected AND the options are up to 11 years away

Aer Lingus may opt to lease additional frames, like they currently do for their fleet.

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 10):
This is great news! I'm glad I have the username "Shamrock350" now

Haha yes you had insider info !!! Does anyone have a photo of A350 in EI livery??? Please post .
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:17 pm

Here you go OA260
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:27 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 23):
Here you go OA260

Thanks Shamrock350 , sure does look nice .
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:29 pm

Quoting EI737NG (Reply 14):
MOL only needs another 25% of shareholders to be onside with him. Never write him off


Last time when he offered to buy EI shares less than 1% of shareholders were onside with him. I would not be worried.

Plus EU will most likely order him to reduce his share.

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:39 pm

Yet another A350 order for GE to lose.
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 15):
Now , question : Who will be the next , having not commited to the old version of the A350 to order the A350XWB ?



Quoting EI321 (Reply 19):
There are plenty of possibilities.

British Airways, Thai, Iberia, Air France, Lufthansa, SAS, South African, Aerolineas Argentinas, Etihad, CSA, MEA, etc

I would even go for LX. SWISS operates an longhaul fleet of 332 and 343, which will be perfekt to be replaced in 10 years by A350 in different versions. Maybe, we might see even once in the future LX A380's, since even LH as mother will operate them. (Will maybe make sense in 10 to 15 years on some LX routes to accomplish the current fleet/destination mix with LH) Who knows...  Smile

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 26):
Yet another A350 order for GE to lose.

True, the last time Aer Lingus ordered a Rolls Royce powered aircraft was on the BAC-111 in 1965.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:41 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 21):
Kingfisher - yeah, they are buying 5 of everything Airbus makes.

Only because they have no choice in the matter, as far as I'm aware they can only make firm orders for up to 5x of each long-haul model until their 10th Birthday, hence the 5x A332 (?), 5x A345, 5x A346 (?), 5x A388 plus options. They are allowed as many options as they like though. I'm sure thats the policy in India, because they can't fly long-haul until they are 10, at least thats what I read somewhere.

Hope that makes sense.


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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 28):
Only because they have no choice in the matter, as far as I'm aware they can only make firm orders for up to 5x of each long-haul model until their 10th Birthday, hence the 5x A332 (?), 5x A345, 5x A346 (?), 5x A388 plus options.

Assuming they will soon run out of Airbus models to order five of, is there an order for 5 773ER on the cards?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:51 pm

The A330E is not a range enhancement feature, its LCDs in the cockpit and other systems from the A345/6. On the A343 there is a improvement package for the engines, the 5C-4/P which does provide some minimal range improvements but its mostly emisions and maintenance improvements but there is no engine tweak for the A330E to improve fuel efficiency per se.
(The present A343E should also not be confused with what was described as the E in the mid 90s which became known as the A343X but for a while Airbus and SQ were calling the then highest weight A343 (275K MTOW) an A343E also).
For practical purposes think of the A333 as a 4000nm range plane and the A332 as a 5000nm range plane.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:07 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 30):
The A330E is not a range enhancement feature, its LCDs in the cockpit and other systems from the A345/6.

I Believe it also has improved fuel burn and margainally higher MTOW, which can of course translate into marginally longer range.

As for range:
I think the longest A330-300 route is Air Canada YVR to Heathrow
I think the longest A330-200 route is Air France CDG to Sao Paulo, 5065 nm

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:11 pm

Hopefully we will see Aer Lingus under the MIA sun finally! congrats...
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:16 pm

Not a surprise, but that doesn't take away anything from Airbus for securing the order.  champagne  all around.

As she is my favorite plane flying, here is wishing the 777 ends her run as strongly as the A330 is.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:21 pm

Great news, the A350 will look damn hot in EI colors. Im also glad they ordered more sweet A330 my favourite plane.
Thanks for posting this incredible picture Shamrock350 it looks fantastic.  cloudnine 

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 26):
I would even go for LX. SWISS operates an longhaul fleet of 332 and 343, which will be perfekt to be replaced in 10 years by A350 in different versions. Maybe, we might see even once in the future LX A380's, since even LH as mother will operate them. (Will maybe make sense in 10 to 15 years on some LX routes to accomplish the current fleet/destination mix with LH)

While i could really imagine the A350XWB as very good A340 replacement for LX, i dont believe LX will ever have the capacity to fill some A380.
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:36 pm

This is great news, as Aer Lingus is my favorite non-U.S. airline. For a host of reasons, they are wise to stick with the manufacturer that they have favored all along.

Anyway, I haven't really kept up with the A350XWB except that I see it described as an 'extra wide body.' I tried looking through the Airbus A350 web pages and didn't see anything that quantified how 'extra wide' it really will be. Can someone help me, for example, in learning how much wider this plane will be than, say, the 777 or the 787?

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 33):
As she is my favorite plane flying, here is wishing the 777 ends her run as strongly as the A330 is.

I cant see the 777 going anywhere for a few years at least. The 777-200ER & 777-300ER will remain class leaders until something better enters service.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 35):
I tried looking through the Airbus A350 web pages and didn't see anything that quantified how 'extra wide' it really will be.

The XWB tag is nothing but a marketing gimmick. The difference Vs the 787 is only a few inches. Theres nothing extra wide about it. But on the other hand, sitting in a 17.2'' seat for hours on end is not something I dream about either. XWB and Dreamliner are just marketing phrases.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:49 pm

Great for the AER Lingus long haul fleet. Will the A333 E be able to fly from Dublin to Tokyo or Hong Kong ? Seems to me they can't, which is a bummer since EI should fly to Asia. South Africa too ?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 28):
Only because they have no choice in the matter, as far as I'm aware they can only make firm orders for up to 5x of each long-haul model until their 10th Birthday, hence the 5x A332 (?), 5x A345, 5x A346 (?), 5x A388 plus options. They are allowed as many options as they like though. I'm sure thats the policy in India, because they can't fly long-haul until they are 10, at least thats what I read somewhere.

Sorry - but this is completely untrue. Indian carriers can feel free to order as many a/c as they like, there's absolutely no restriction on that front.

And they can fly long haul when they're 5 years old (subject to a min fleet size of 20?), which is likely to be further reduced to 3 years.

And yes - if you were being sarcastic, please use the  sarcastic  emoticon in the future  Wink
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 36):
The XWB tag is nothing but a marketing gimmick. The difference Vs the 787 is only a few inches. Theres nothing extra wide about it. But on the other hand, sitting in a 17.2'' seat for hours on end is not something I dream about either. XWB and Dreamliner are just marketing phrases.

Actually, my understanding of the XWB classification is that it had to relaunch the A350 after the airlines expressed very big disappointment with the original A350 design. One large issue with the original A350 width, was that it was still the same as the current A330/A340 models, meaning 8 (or 9 at a squeeze) seating while the B787 could do 9 or maybe 10( I believe) so Airbus went back to the drawing board, and made the fuselage wider, but as the wanted to keep the A350 code, they had to make it different from the original design that was panned by the airlines. Hence the XWB code

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 37):
Will the A333 E be able to fly from Dublin to Tokyo or Hong Kong

Nope. EI has been planning to fly to Asia but I dont know what the exact plan is. They will either have to fly via somewhere like Dubai, or rent some more A330-200s, which I think is likely. However, even the A330-200 can only reach the closest of far east Destinations. A340-300's cant fix the problem either because DUB's runway is only 8650ft long.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Im happy to finally hear this order, and I would like to point out something that has not been mentioned yet - these are just the ones on direct order from airbus, Aer Lingus likes to lease about 50% of its fleet, so dont be surprised to see them take more A350s from a lessor.

I hope you are right, as that is where EI needs to head in its planning. But at least DM finally, at long last, got something - anything - ordered and I think the mix he ordered is an excellent choice. It fits well with EI's current fleet and it will do the job.

Quoting EI737NG (Reply 13):
MOL only needs another 25% of shareholders to be onside with him. Never write him off

Ah, yes, we must not forget the big bad wolf. The EC decision is due July 4, and that is just a month away. MOL will do something, what will depend on the EC decision, but one option is for him to form "My Way Airlines" and start flying to the same long haul destinations as EI. I suspect he is waiting on the EC decision to see which way he should go. But, in any case, we have not seen the end of MOL.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 40):
A340-300's cant fix the problem either because DUB's runway is only 8650ft long.

I forget which members thought that there was "no business need" to lengthen the runway. But what does a fully laden A350-800 require? Probably as much as the 777 or A340. How many now think there is no reason to lengthen the runway at DUB, or does EI fly the A350's from MAN?
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting Poitin (Reply 41):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 40):
A340-300's cant fix the problem either because DUB's runway is only 8650ft long.

I forget which members thought that there was "no business need" to lengthen the runway.

That was princepally me, but remember which context I iterated it in - There is no business case for the DAA to lengthen the runway. That remains my opinion. The DAA would not get their moneys worth. Unless perhaps they make the airlines pay for it - now I wonder how MOL would feel about that  

Quoting Poitin (Reply 41):
But what does a fully laden A350-800 require? Probably as much as the 777 or A340.

Im not sure, but it does not matter much as the new runway will be open by the time EI recieve them.

[Edited 2007-06-06 15:45:13]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:44 pm

The A343E's are equipped with engines that have higher rated thrust than the the A343X's, correct?

So can we assume that the A330E ordered by EI will have a new version of the CF6 engine, or will these birds have GEnx engines?

KrisYYZ

[Edited 2007-06-06 15:45:41]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:47 pm

There is no need to lengthen it, as there is a NEW runway being built!
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:57 pm

Will the A350 -8/9/10 all be able to fly to Asia from Dublin?
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:58 pm

Nice to have another well respected customer for the A350 may many more follow......
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:58 pm

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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting Poitin (Reply 41):
but one option is for him to form "My Way Airlines" and start flying to the same long haul destinations as EI.

Not going to happen. During a press conference regarding new routes for SNN, MOL said that the newly propsed sister airline of FR will not fly long haul from Ireland. Ireland does not feature in its plans, but aircraft may be based in the likes of SNN, but fly from there other bases in Europe.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 47):
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RE: Aer Lingus Decides - 6 X A330-300E 6 X A350

Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
Despite many members easily dismissing the capabilities/economics and even the survival of the A330, Airbus has demonstrated that this family is not only alive, but thriving, despite the EIS of the 787 on the horizon.

Despite what you seem obsessed with thinking no one was predicting the immediate demise of the A330. What is being said and is true is that the A330 will do well pretty much only on top up orders and orders for airlines that are waiting on the A350. Additionally the freighter and tanker will sell becaues there is no competing modern product except the 767. (Though I have to say adding the tankers in is somewhat odd, if the USAF were to order 180 767 tankers and people started to claim the 767 program was still a great hit that would be odd as well)

In reality they have sold 44 A330's to passenger airlines this year. They will have a good year this year and possibly one more good year next year then the program will begin to die off much like the 767 has and the A330/777 eventually will. Despite what many members think that is not a knock on the program, it is just the facts of the situation.

The A330 was and is a very good airplane, it has a year or two more left in it as far as sales go but its end is rapidly approaching, regardless of ones willingness to accept that.

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