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STJ
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MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:32 am

MSP is down to one runway this afternoon due to wind. The wind is blowing at 29 and gusting to near 50mph from the southwest so they had to shut the parrellels down and use runway 22 and when 22 is in use they can't use the new 17-35 runway either.
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting STJ (Thread starter):
MSP is down to one runway this afternoon due to wind.

Lots of holding going on:

http://i9.tinypic.com/4vo5yyp.jpg


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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:23 am

MSP has both a Ground Delay Program and a Ground Stop out.

http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/

How can there be a delay program AND a ground stop for what looks to be the same area?

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:35 am

Any word on diversions and where they're heading?
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:42 am

Wow, some of those cells look pretty ugly, especially the one to the north of the field with the 753 and A319 flying right by it. Came across this PIREP near SGS (south St. Paul, apparently) on the NOAA site:

SGS UUA /OV SGS/TM 1425/FL015/TP P28A/TB SEV/RM A/C RETURNED TO AP -WOULDNT LET ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4 ENG JET FLY IN THIS

Sucks to be him,
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:46 am

Looks like a lot of planes are holding north of MSP. Most likely diversions will be to DLH or FAR?

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):

SGS UUA /OV SGS/TM 1425/FL015/TP P28A/TB SEV/RM A/C RETURNED TO AP -WOULDNT LET ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4 ENG JET FLY IN THIS

Holy sh*t!  Wow!
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:58 am

Some pretty interesting routings today...

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):

SGS UUA /OV SGS/TM 1425/FL015/TP P28A/TB SEV/RM A/C RETURNED TO AP -WOULDNT LET ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4 ENG JET FLY IN THIS

Holy sh*t!

I'll take "pilot overreaction" for $200 please, Alex.

Severe turbulence for a P28A is probably moderate for an airliner.

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):

SGS UUA /OV SGS/TM 1425/FL015/TP P28A/TB SEV/RM A/C RETURNED TO AP -WOULDNT LET ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4 ENG JET FLY IN THIS

Holy sh*t!

I'll take "pilot overreaction" for $200 please, Alex.

Severe turbulence for a P28A is probably moderate for an airliner.

Yeah, thank you. It's a rare Cherokee driver that is qualified to judge what kind of weather is appropriate for a given jet aircraft to traverse.
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Severe turbulence for a P28A is probably moderate for an airliner.

Hahaha! I guess that's why he said what he said! Pretty good winds churning up at MSP:

2007/06/07 23:20
KMSP 072320Z 080024 24025G38KT P6SM SCT070
TEMPO 0002 4SM TSRA BKN050CB
FM0200 25021G28KT P6SM SCT050 BKN070
TEMPO 0204 5SM -TSRA BKN050CB
FM0400 28019KT P6SM SCT020 BKN040
FM0900 30017KT P6SM SCT030
TEMPO 0912 BKN030
FM1400 30017KT P6SM SKC
FM1900 28013KT P6SM FEW070

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:42 am

I thought I saw planes taking off on runway 22. Planes that takeoff on 22 fly over my house.
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 5):
Looks like a lot of planes are holding north of MSP.

I would have assumed it was due to the fact that they were lining them up for 22, it's is a strange site to see them coming in over the VA (well right next to it anyway). Other than NRT using it for TO I only see it happen maybe once a year were they have to move all ARR and DEP to 4/22. Even after they opened the parallels again there was still are pretty good crosswind going, on 30R they were flying the runway but pointed at MOA.  Wow!
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:49 am

Interesting comments. I was sitting at the sector today when the PIREP came out. His was one of the more colorful reports. A number of light aircraft - both single and twin - were having problems with the turbulence, as several asked for altitude blocks since maintaining one altitude was too difficult. Also, this system had some of the lowest altimeters that I have even seen, with FAR reporting: 28.96 this morning.
Still looks like a Ramp Rat
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:15 pm

I live out in Stillwater and I never see planes over my house (not this low anyway). Today at about 4pm I went to let my dog out, looked up in the sky, and was able to make out an ATA DC-10 heading northeast just before turning around for 22! I looked it up on Flight Aware and it too had a strange routing from IND around a line of precip.
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:22 pm

Quoting 5mileBob (Reply 13):
Also, this system had some of the lowest altimeters that I have even seen, with FAR reporting: 28.96 this morning.

That extreme low pressure is what actually saved us from some really nasty storms, the low pressure got so strong it sucked in to much warm dry air and killed the chance for the really severe stuff.
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 7):
Some pretty interesting routings today

Some of those routings look like the old "Family circus" comic strip, where the mom asks her kid to "go across the street and get some sugar from our neighbor".
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 11):
I thought I saw planes taking off on runway 22. Planes that takeoff on 22 fly over my house.

I'm sure you did; that's what the original poster featured as his subject.

Quoting 5mileBob (Reply 13):
I was sitting at the sector today when the PIREP came out. His was one of the more colorful reports. A number of light aircraft - both single and twin - were having problems with the turbulence, as several asked for altitude blocks since maintaining one altitude was too difficult. Also, this system had some of the lowest altimeters that I have even seen, with FAR reporting: 28.96 this morning.

That IS low. I'm sure light aircraft were having horrid rides, no question about it, but nonetheless a guy flying a PA 28 isn't qualified to assess conditions for entirely different categories and classes of aircraft which he almost certainly knows nothing about flying (though he may think he does...)
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:58 am

NW 1732 MSP-DTW flew east to Green Bay then across the lake, turned and did a due southbound just east of the lake to Muskegon, then
turned east for the normal approach to DTW. ...been there...did that yesterday.
#1732 was delayed after pushback for apx 30 minutes for T.O due to runway use and at that time they were still using more than one runway.
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
SGS UUA /OV SGS/TM 1425/FL015/TP P28A/TB SEV/RM A/C RETURNED TO AP -WOULDNT LET ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4 ENG JET FLY IN THIS



Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
I'll take "pilot overreaction" for $200 please, Alex.

Severe turbulence for a P28A is probably moderate for an airliner.



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 9):
Yeah, thank you. It's a rare Cherokee driver that is qualified to judge what kind of weather is appropriate for a given jet aircraft to traverse.

That's why the aircraft type is listed in the pirep. Severe turbulence in a Cherokee could probably even be light turbulence in an airliner. It's also pilot's discretion, too.

However, since it is in the remarks section, this is just the pilot making his remarks about his opinion, probably to help dissuade other GA pilots from trying the same thing he just did.
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:38 am

Is this the same system that gave us 80+ mph winds here in the DEN area the night before last???

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting CaptSkibi (Reply 19):
However, since it is in the remarks section, this is just the pilot making his remarks about his opinion, probably to help dissuade other GA pilots from trying the same thing he just did.

Based on his remarks, though, I have to wonder what his line of reasoning was. If I was looking for a smooth ride through turbulence, I'd take a 777 or 330 over, say, an Avro RJ. If the guy really thinks that number of engines is a major factor in how a plane handles in turbulence, does he really know all that much about turbulence? Instead of making outlandish statements, how about giving an accurate description of the conditions encountered, like "aircraft was nearly impossible to control in pitch and roll, turbulence began at 500ft" or something like that, and perhaps "conditions not suitable for light aircraft". That would be much more useful to another pilot.

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:54 am

Well I hope that the folks in Meadowood wont be out picketing....afterall we have promised not to disturb their sleep.....

In the Movie AIRPORT, the TGA 707 was blocking runway 29-er so they had to switch all the flights to RWY22.....Which the departure and was right over Meadowood......The Movie AIRPORT weas actually filmed in MSP.....instead of the Fake Chicago area as it would be.....
If they are taking off on RWY22 at MSP that has to be a major disruption of service......

Access-Air....

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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:09 am

Late June of 2005 I had the most frightening landing of my life at MSP, right after thunderstorms had blown through. Although the wind was blowing from the southwest (blowing northeast), we lined up for runway 30L. We crabbed all the way down and hit right landing gear, bounced up, hit left landing gear, bounced up, then FIRMLY hit with both...along with everyone else on board, we had a couple of tense moments...but before we had time to react, it was over.

Trying to get the rental car proved more of an ordeal - delays, cancellations, and diversions added up to a horrific day for the rental car companies. When I finally left the airport, another cell came through.

I don't envy the Ops people in the midwest - but I guess if you grow up in it, you're just used to it.
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:17 am

How much delays are we expecting? How long are the takeoff queues, that would be a sight to see.
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:34 am

As confirmed by FS Real-World weather and Liveatc, MSP is back to normal ops to parallel ops and theyre probably using 35 as well. Winds are sustained at 11Kts, and Gusting to 21, nothing as high as mentioned earlier.
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:03 am

I flew in and out of MSP yesterday, the wind was just crazy both times i flew into MSP. Landed on 22 coming back from FAR on the CRJ-900 and we were getting rocked around like none other.
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 26):
Landed on 22 coming back from FAR on the CRJ-900

Just taking a joyride on the 900? I thought about doing the MSP-FAR-MSP run after I didn't make the MSP-DFW run but looked pretty thin out of FAR (4 open with 2 on WL - were you one of the 2?) and unlike DFW would not have a lot of other options for getting home.
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting STJ (Reply 27):
Just taking a joyride on the 900? I thought about doing the MSP-FAR-MSP run after I didn't make the MSP-DFW run but looked pretty thin out of FAR (4 open with 2 on WL - were you one of the 2?) and unlike DFW would not have a lot of other options for getting home.

Yep, the seat next to me FAR-MSP was open next to me a exit row at that. The -9 after the CR9 had plenty of open seats. Yep took the joyride, but Steenland lied if it was an industry leader it would have atleast matched AC's.
 
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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 17):
a guy flying a PA 28 isn't qualified to assess conditions for entirely different categories and classes of aircraft which he almost certainly knows nothing about flying (though he may think he does...)

Incredible as it may seem, airline pilots have been known to fly light aircraft on their days off.

Many people flying PA-28s are indeed qualified to assess conditions for other categories and classes of aircraft. Was this pilot one of them? Who knows? But it simply isn't accurate to profess that the knowledge and experience of GA pilots is limited to GA aircraft and operations.


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RE: MSP Down To 1 Runway

Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 22):
In the Movie AIRPORT, the TGA 707 was blocking runway 29-er so they had to switch all the flights to RWY22.....Which the departure and was right over Meadowood......The Movie AIRPORT weas actually filmed in MSP.....instead of the Fake Chicago area as it would be.....

CLOSE DOWN RUNWAY 22!!!!!!
CLOSE DOWN RUNWAY 22!!!!!!
CLOSE DOWN RUNWAY 22!!!!!!

What a great movie.

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