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June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:50 pm

British Airways was the biggest gainer, rising 5.5p, or 1.3 per cent, to 437p, after Willie Walsh, its chief executive, told an Italian newspaper that he expected operating profit to rise to 10 per cent of sales in 2008.

Mr Walsh, speaking to Il Sole 24 Ore, also raised the possibility of BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft.

He said that a decision on its long-haul fleet would be made in a few months time.

We need to substitute 34 planes by 2014 20 Boeing 747-400 and 14 Boeing 767," he said. "A single type is not suitable to all our demands. We could buy two or three different types."


http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=44770739363521

I think BA has come a long way with regards to the A380, check the archive..

I think they have seen / flown the A380 & know enough.

Probably they took options a while ago ago & their slot reservations are under pressure..

My estimation is BA380s would carry no more then 400-425 passengers.

Question is what impact it would have on competing "partner" airlines like CX, JAL and SAA.


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Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:54 pm

Nice picture... Lets see what BA decides , i think they would operate both the 748 and the 380 !
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 1):
i think they would operate both the 748 and the 380 !

I agree here. Im pretty certain that a mixed 748 and A380 fleet would suit them better than an all A380 or all 748 fleet to replace the 747-400. The only senario where I can see them not ordering the 748 is if they order the A350-1000 instead.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:01 pm

I have no source for this, but a BA employee commented a while back, that British is currently looking at ordering 10-15 787s, 10 748s and 10 A380s. It's basically rumours but I really believe the A350 is out of the picture when it comes to BA. Can't wait to see the 380 in their livery though.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 1):
Nice picture

Sadly the London2012 logo will be 4 Hot Pink blotches. Othewise that looks nice.

I have to say that I think BA will split the order. They need flexibility. How it splits is a mystery but it seems that Walsh is being pretty clear about keeping all doors open (unlike the Japanese). But this 10-15 number has been floating around for some time which gives it a little more ... umph.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Question is what impact it would have on competing "partner" airlines like CX, JAL and SAA.

Not much me thinks. Each airline will make their decision based on what they need. I mean... KE and AF have ordered the A380 but NW, KL nor any other Skyteam member currently operation 747s order the A380. NW and KE have ordered the 787 yet many Skyteam members have not.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
My estimation is BA380s would carry no more then 400-425 passengers.

What is your estimated breakdown in a two or three class layout?
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:19 pm

Thats a funny statement, considering all his previous ones said they would buy a single type. Guess they reevaluated their needs and decided one could'nt handle the job after all.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:26 pm

IMO they don't need the 747-8i.

It would be to close to the large remaining 747-400 that will fly on for years to come.

Maybe if they are going to replace those, the 747-8i will be an option.

I wonder about his statement.

He added that smaller aircraft will be needed for the busier London-New York route where BA has 11 flights a day.

Walsh said that, after 2010, BA needed to replace 34 aircraft, 20 Boeing 747-400 and 14 Boeing 767.


I guess if Airbus again proposes a substantial A330-300 fleet from end 2009, things will go sweaty in Chicago.
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:29 pm

I found his last comment in the article about not understanding how AZ can stay aloft quite amusing... Big grin
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:37 pm

'Choosing a single type does not meet our needs, we could buy two or three different models,' he said. 'A decision will be taken in September.'

In other words either we will buy A380 + A350 or A380 + B748i + B787.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 8):
'Choosing a single type does not meet our needs, we could buy two or three different models,' he said. 'A decision will be taken in September.'

In other words either we will buy A380 + A350 or A380 + B748i + B787.

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Unless by 2 models he means B748i + B787. Could that work for BA (I don't have a clue)?
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
He added that smaller aircraft will be needed for the busier London-New York route where BA has 11 flights a day.

Walsh said that, after 2010, BA needed to replace 34 aircraft, 20 Boeing 747-400 and 14 Boeing 767.

I guess if Airbus again proposes a substantial A330-300 fleet from end 2009, things will go sweaty in Chicago

Given BA operates many flights to JFK with the 744, the remaining ones get 777, I have to believe an A380 would go to JFK on one or two daily trips. An A380 going say LHR-NRT-LHR-JFK-LHR would work better then having the plane spend 12 hours on the ground at LHR.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
IMO (BA) don't need the 747-8i. It would be to close to the large remaining 747-400 that will fly on for years to come.

If BA is content to fly their 744s until 2020, then I would agree with you, since it will be about that long before they could get sufficient A350-1000s or 787-11s to replace the 744s they fly to "non-A388 friendly" airports in North America and other destinations.

I just don't see BA taking the 77W unless it's on a 10-year lease to tide them over until the A350-1000 and 787-11 start to become available because it's just going to be too close to the 772ER and too far from the A388 in capacity, and I do believe BA can make a case for about a dozen A388s. I really think BA is going to take the 747-8I instead of the 77W as it should better match BA's needs and allows them to expand their FIRST and Club World product in both seat and cabin size if they wish.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Sadly the London2012 logo will be 4 Hot Pink blotches. Othewise that looks nice.

maybe not, as they might have to change the logo as in Britain, the flashy comercial (which makes the logo great; so if they have no flashy commercial, they'll probably not have the logo at all) has caused 22 reported ceasers (no idea how to spell that).

As BA are going to replace 767's, I believe that they'll get 787 (due to the small -8 model), however I do hope they go for the A350 (in every size, especially the -800 and -1000).

Very glad to hear that BA are very interested in the A380.

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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:58 pm

I've been saying all along BA could use 10-15 A380's for some routes....I think we'll see an order for it, but I expect B748's as well as B787's in the mix......
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:05 am

I do not see in the article that Mr. Walsh mentioned 10-15 A380.

He simply was answering a question of the reporter if BA was considering the A380 for its planning.

There is no question that any large airline as BA could use a few A380 for its most heavy routes,. (IMHO South Africa does not fit in this cathegory). But to add a few A380 with all the maintenance complications only because in the high season they can be filled seems not ideal, especially in the case of BA, which always stressed the importance of a uniform fleet.

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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 1):
Nice picture... Lets see what BA decides , i think they would operate both the 748 and the 380 !

I agree as well, I also believe that a mixed 748I and A380 fleet would work well together. I just don't see BA downsizing it's overall fleet anytime soon hence I don't think a 77W would be in their interests. Now to the 787/A350 choice, much tougher decision. All depends what they'd like to do with them in the long run, yes I can see the need to replace the 763's with a similar sized a/c (although both choices are larger) but at the same time come 772 replacement time will they see the 787 as capable enough to replace that or would the better option be to go with the A350 and try their best to cover both segments (763 and 772 replacement).

Hard choices, interesting to see what happens. Still wandering what sort of Club World cabin can fit into the 787 and A350 from a previous thread a few weeks back.

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Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Question is what impact it would have on competing "partner" airlines like CX, JAL and SAA.

Hmm... None? No impact at all.

SAA is even ditching their 747s.

JAL is losing market share to ANA so it may go for more smaller aircraft to be able to maintain a large network.

Asia has many A380 buyers and CX has not moved. Why it would move because of a BA order?
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:20 am

I guess if BA decide to buy the A380, DEL or BOM might see it as these routes are usually profitable for them and quite high yielding in terms of pax loads  Smile
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 15):
I agree as well, I also believe that a mixed 748I and A380 fleet would work well together. I just don't see BA downsizing it's overall fleet anytime soon hence I don't think a 77W would be in their interests. Now to the 787/A350 choice, much tougher decision. All depends what they'd like to do with them in the long run, yes I can see the need to replace the 763's with a similar sized a/c (although both choices are larger) but at the same time come 772 replacement time will they see the 787 as capable enough to replace that or would the better option be to go with the A350 and try their best to cover both segments (763 and 772 replacement).

.....if one looks at BA's fleet history since the days of BOAC, they really haven't been dependent on one plane manufacturer..if they go A380/A350/A330, then they will basically become an "All-Airbus" operator..which I don't believe will happen.

My take

B748's to replace many B744's...adds great economics and a small "step up" in pax
B787's replaces B767's and adds some step up
A380's...10-12....for routes mentioned above...
A350- ..bit skeptical on...
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:24 am

I wouldn't be surprised that BA could order as many as 20 A380-800's. They'll need it for LHR-SFO/LAX flights, since many Brits fly to the US West Coast on vacation and/or business.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:37 am

A few 380s makes sense for BA. They fly lots of passengers to the US in particular and their planes are usually full. I think they can easily fill the seats.

I do hope they buy the 748 as its such a cool looking aircraft (I can base my desires on such things as looks since I'm a mere passenger).
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 19):
I wouldn't be surprised that BA could order as many as 20 A380-800's. They'll need it for LHR-SFO/LAX flights, since many Brits fly to the US West Coast on vacation and/or business.

...that even smacks right in the face of what Walsh is saying
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
.....if one looks at BA's fleet history since the days of BOAC, they really haven't been dependent on one plane manufacturer..if they go A380/A350/A330, then they will basically become an "All-Airbus" operator..which I don't believe will happen.

Well i'm not suggesting they become an all airbus operator from my post though ! I'm suggesting what could work well for them is a an A380/748I/A350 fleet. With the A350 decision being solely based upon what I foresee as a better long-term 772 replacement a/c for them irregardless if they don't necessarily replace the 763's.

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Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 22):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
.....if one looks at BA's fleet history since the days of BOAC, they really haven't been dependent on one plane manufacturer..if they go A380/A350/A330, then they will basically become an "All-Airbus" operator..which I don't believe will happen.

Well i'm not suggesting they become an all airbus operator from my post though ! I'm suggesting what could work well for them is a an A380/748I/A350 fleet. With the A350 decision being solely based upon what I foresee as a better long-term 772 replacement a/c for them irregardless if they don't necessarily replace the 763's.

1-they want an optimal B763 replacement first
2- B787'-9 and -10 would be great replacement's for the B772 Fleet...
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:58 am

This isn't really anything new, WW has said quite a few times that they are considering the A380

Beginning to look more promising. BA as a customer would really boost the program

Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 22):
With the A350 decision being solely based upon what I foresee as a better long-term 772 replacement a/c for them irregardless if they don't necessarily replace the 763's

Interesting statement, but one I agree with. I just don't think the 787 (minus the -10) family is big enough for the BA fleet. The A350 looks more promising for BAs structure and a more feasable replacement for the 772s
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:13 am

A380s might be a wise move if BA is concerned about the possibility of a third runway at LHR (which it favours strongly); if this doesn't happen, there will be a squeeze on slots, so more capacity will be needed.

I tend to believe that it will be either the A380 or the 747-8, NOT both. I agree that the A350 is out of the picture, so I would see the BA order being for 787s (with BA being a possible launch customer for the 787-10, to replace early 777s, which will be nearly 20 years old by the time these are delivered).

I don't think any airlines will necessarily be influenced by BA, or vice versa; each airline has its own market, its own needs and its own particular difficulties or challenges; just because one airline buys a particular aircraft, it doesn't mean another will.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 8):
In other words either we will buy A380 + A350 or A380 + B748i + B787.

So you are saying that they would replace their 767s with A350s? Wouldn't that be a major step up in terms of capacity?

In my opinion, this is where not having a 767 competitor will hurt Airbus. While the A330 is an excellent aircraft, I don't picture BA ordering those at this point for their fleet renewal program. The future is composites.

That said, I see where BA could definitely use the A380 as well as the 748i, and in my opinion it is likely they will buy both.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 14):
I do not see in the article that Mr. Walsh mentioned 10-15 A380



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Mr Walsh, speaking to Il Sole 24 Ore, also raised the possibility of BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft.

http://www.reuters.com/article/tnBas...ndustries-SP/idUSL0821568020070608

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 20):
They fly lots of passengers to the US in particular and their planes are usually full. I think they can easily fill the seats

I think BA can use them on many routes. When we don´t look at what´s flying around now, but what will probably be needed in the 2011-2031 timeframe (and I can imagine that´s what BA is looking at  Wink ), NAR, HKG, SIN, JFK, JHB, CPT, LAX, SFO, MIA, PEK, PVG, BOM, DEL pop up as likely destinations, first probably mixed with 747-400s

I think BA never ordered just 10-15 from any type, I think we are looking at an initial order, I think I remember reading this earlier from a BA fleet mngr..
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):

Mr Walsh, speaking to Il Sole 24 Ore, also raised the possibility of BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft.

Where is that in the article?
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Mr Walsh, speaking to Il Sole 24 Ore, also raised the possibility of BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft.

It doesn't take much to excite you when it comes to news about the A380, does it Keesje?  Wink Anyway, this isn't exactly new news, this has been known for quite a while, Mr. Walsh has been pretty open in the press earlier, stating that there is a possibility for about 10-15 A380s. And why would he deny that the A380 was an alternative, that wouldn't be very smart would it  Wink
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:41 am

I think the A380 will be needed for BA in the long run, The slots at LHR are obviously tight and BA does hold a lot of slots but BA may want to expand, not routes, but passengers on these routes such as JFK-LHR. The A380 will allow BA to carry more passengers on the higher density flights. (Maybe morning flights i'm not sure when their peak capacity times are).
The 747-8i will also be useful for a few of reasons, 1) The 748 can be used to replace 747's directly and give a small capacity boost. Like i mentioned above the 748 could be used on flights from JFK-LHR when the loads are a little lighter and does not call for an A380. 2) BA could get the 748 between 2009 and 2010 which would allow them to begin replacing the older 747-400 or use for expansion. The 748 will carry a little more people and if BA wants to use the same amount of passengers on the 748 as on the 744, the extra space can be used to make the premium cabins more spacious or even add more seats. 3) The 748 could even be used to replace the 777 on some routes and give a capacity increase and BA could move those 777's to areas where the 767 is too small or even use them for expansion to new areas.
The 787 seems like a likely replacement for the 767 because that is pretty much what it was made to do. But the 787 will not be available for quite some time, but i think BA will wait for it because the plane is not needed right now. The 787 will probably not be used to replace the 777 but instead as a 767 replacement /expansion plane.
The only reason i can see the A350 coming in is if BA wants a greener more efficient plane to replace the 777. BA might just wait until the A350 becomes an actual plane, not just a paper plane, to decide if it should be the 777 replacement. A greener plane will make a difference because of the price of oil these days. The 748 will be cheaper to fly than the 744, the A350 might be cheaper to fly than the 777, but by the time the A350 decision can be made there may be a composite 777 to look at.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 22):
With the A350 decision being solely based upon what I foresee as a better long-term 772 replacement a/c for them irregardless if they don't necessarily replace the 763's.

Basically Keesje and Reuters is recycling an old quote by Walsh saying that might be interested in buying 10-15 A380s and putting that with his statement that the plane might be useful on 2 of their routes to make this into something it may or may not be.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Mr Walsh, speaking to Il Sole 24 Ore, also raised the possibility of BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft.

The above does not appear in either news article, it is basically a composite of current and past statements. Basically it is made up. As far as I can tell Walsh did not raise tha tpossibility talking to II Sole 24 Ore. The 10-15 quote was given to a German newpaper back in April. I see no evidence to suggest that the CEO said it again or that he said it to whom Keesje is suggesting. All in all a rather misleading quote.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 24):
The A350 looks more promising for BAs structure and a more feasable replacement for the 772s

The A350 and the 787 are the same plane for the most part with different lengths and wings. There is fundamentally no reason why the 787 cannot be streched with new wings and engines to have the same performance as the A350 models. I would expect this to happen before the A350-1000 enters service.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 1):
i think they would operate both the 748 and the 380 !

That seems very unlikely to me as it would be more expensive to buy and more expensive to operate. I think BA will choose one or the other, but not both.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
I think they have seen / flown the A380 & know enough.

Didn't BA decline an invitation to fly the A380 recently? I know a lot happens behind the scenes, etc., but am I remembering incorrectly on this?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:41 am

I think the real news would be if BA stated they could be interested in more than 15 A380. This thread is just a reiteration of Willy Walsh said in early April:

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FRANKFURT, April 10 (Reuters) - British Airways (BAY.L: Quote, Profile , Research) Chief Executive Willie Walsh could imagine buying 10 to 15 Airbus (EAD.PA: Quote, Profile , Research) A380 superjumbo aircraft to bolster its long-haul fleet, he told a German newspaper.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...40_L10320929&type=comktNews&rpc=44

If BA were to order 10-15 A380 it would still leave a large number of 744 requiring a long-term replacement of their own. There is plenty of room in this order for both "sides," i.e. the 747-8 and A380, to have their share of the pie.
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 33):
Didn't BA decline an invitation to fly the A380 recently? I know a lot happens behind the scenes, etc., but am I remembering incorrectly on this?

Not sure if you are thinking of another event, but an Airbus/BA hospitality event involving the A380 at Heathrow was canceled after BAA found it was unwilling to operate that particular visit outside of the normal slot system on that day. I haven't specifically heard of BA declining to fly or visit the A380 though.
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:02 am

It will be the 773 and the 380 for BA.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:19 am

This thread is full of speculation - which is fine - but very short on fact or speculation linked to fact. For example it is a fact that the article says that Walsh said that 'smaller aircraft [than the 380] will be needed for the busier London-New York route'. But others know better:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
Given BA operates many flights to JFK with the 744, the remaining ones get 777, I have to believe an A380 would go to JFK on one or two daily trips.

Walsh says that the 380 'could be suitable for the London - Hong Kong route or for South Africa'. But others disagree:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 14):
There is no question that any large airline as BA could use a few A380 for its most heavy routes,. (IMHO South Africa does not fit in this category).

What do we know about BA as a matter of fact?

We know it is a fact that their CEO has said that the 380 could fit its LHR-HKG, LHR-JNB and LHR-CPT routes but not its LHR-JFK or LHR-EWR routes.

We know that some years ago BA introduced a strategy of carrying more premium class passengers but fewer passengers in total. And since then, year after year (with the exception of last year when BA reported carrying slightly more passengers than in the previous year) we have seen a decline in their total passengers carried.

We also know that starting last February BA are reducing the capacity of their current long haul fleet by refitting the cabins of their 'Low J' 744s to carry up to 52 (instead of 38) J Class passengers. While this increases the number of Club World seats in their current fleet by 8 per cent it results in a smaller number of total seats.

We also know that they have applied to the US authorities to operate from any European city to any American city and that the flights they are planning for these routes will have only premium class seats.

All of these facts have been ignored in this discussion so far. But I would think that each of them (and possibly some I have overlooked) are likely to have significant impact on the aircraft chosen to replace the 34 744s and 763s up for replacement. Or am I wrong?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
A350- ..bit skeptical on...

The 777s are not eternal. And the A350 is more for about 2015-2016. So that could actually work very fine for them.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting BigSky123 (Reply 3):
I have no source for this, but a BA employee commented a while back, that British is currently looking at ordering 10-15 787s, 10 748s and 10 A380s.

Sounds like a good start, though in the long run you'd expect more 748s than A380s unless they want to cut frequency on routes.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
IMO they don't need the 747-8i.

ROFL. Of course you don't. BA will leave a fleet gap from the 772/A350-900/787-10 and the A380 of 250 seats...

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 34):
There is plenty of room in this order for both "sides," i.e. the 747-8 and A380, to have their share of the pie.

There is, though I think the argument is less compelling for the A380 for companies that "own" their airport slot allotments. BA at LHR, JL/NH at NRT, etc. Not to say there isn't some use for it, but the A380 business model relies on the majority of 744 customers replacing the majority of 744s with A380s. Can't see BA doing this, nor JL, NH, UA etc.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 36):
It will be the 773 and the 380 for BA.

I could buy that, with the 787-8 and 787-9 holding down the low end. But such a purchase would preclude the 787-10 and the A350, as well as the 748I.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 36):
It will be the 773 and the 380 for BA.

I could buy that, with the 787-8 and 787-9 holding down the low end. But such a purchase would preclude the 787-10 and the A350, as well as the 748I.

I can't. BA has not bit on the 77W market yet and are not likley to do so now. Assuming they still want to run 767 sized planes they are better off ordering the 787 and then ordering the 10 & if it comes out an 11 to fill their 777 replacement needs. They could order the A350 but I am not convinced that it will offer anything that will not be countered by Boeing with a HGW version of the 787. I expect these counters to come out at the same time or possibly before the A350 models they have to compete with.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:05 am

I'm tired of hearing what airlines "might" do! Let us know when BA places an order.
BTW Keesje, why do you always feel the need to dramatize your point with pictures lately? Just curious.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 42):
BTW Keesje, why do you always feel the need to dramatize your point with pictures lately?

Frankly, I think the pictures look nice. I have a CX A380 desktop on one monitor and a TG 787-9 on the other, myself.  Smile
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 38):
The 777s are not eternal. And the A350 is more for about 2015-2016. So that could actually work very fine for them.

yes clearly an order comming in the next few months will be for planes that won't arrive for nearly a DECADE.

There is no way in hell BA will be ordering planes "today" for delivery that far in the future. They might on something like an A320 If airbus agreed to free cancellation and minimum deposit, but on something like a currently un/under-defined widebody when more short term replacement issues are unresolved?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:24 am

What about A380 + 777-300ER + 787?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Sadly the London2012 logo will be 4 Hot Pink blotches

Yes London 2012 logo (new one) is a joke!!! They should have kept the one that is shown on the BA A380 above.

Would be great to see an A380 order at the Paris Airshow even for 10 A380's.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 31):
The above does not appear in either news article,



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 28):

Where is that in the article?

Look better, halfway the second article, next to the picture

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 39):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
IMO they don't need the 747-8i.

What I said (and you left it out for some reason) is that they don´t nee them now. A large portion of BA´s 747-400 aren´t that old. (BTW a factor used for yrs on a.net to explain why BA needed no A380s..)

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 39):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
IMO they don't need the 747-8i.

ROFL. Of course you don't. BA will leave a fleet gap from the 772/A350-900/787-10 and the A380 of 250 seats...

What I said (and you left it out for some reason) is that they don´t nee them now:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
IMO they don't need the 747-8i.

It would be to close to the large remaining 747-400 that will fly on for years to come.

Maybe if they are going to replace those, the 747-8i will be an option.

Want to give a rational reponds to this?
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:08 am

What I find interesting with respect to BA is that they, along with Qantas and Singapore, were the most vocal for a super sized airplane way back when. Since then, the airplane was TOO big a risk, yada yada yada, with all those super sized airplanes lifting off form LHR around the same time on their way to Asia, and the lack of an after market due to the lack of a Customer Base BLAH BLAH BLAH

Anyway, I think that after all their bluster for a BIG airplane back in the nineties, they should pony up the money and pay Airbus for a few. (Even if they got scared after the Asian Economic Crisis and SARS)

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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 47):

Look better, halfway the second article, next to the picture

Read your article multiple times and still haven't seen 10-15 A380's being mentioned

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