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CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 2:33 am

Commencing 3/1/2001, you will be able to fly non-stop between EWR-HKG on board a GE90 powered 777-200IGW. At over 7300 nautical miles, it will be the longest scheduled 777 city pair.

It would appear that CO is quite confident that the GE90 will do the job, contrary to some supposid experts on airliners.net.

Does anyone know where CO is getting the aircraft? Are they new deliveries or are they redeploying existing aircraft? I thought CO has taken all ordered 777's as well as announce leased ones so maybe they will be taking additional birds from ILFC.

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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 2:40 am

Hi,

I just read about it a few minutes ago, very surprising the westbound flight will be 16hrs 30mins and the eastbound flight 15hrs 40mins. I still would prefer to fly CX via Vancouver to Hong Kong, One could take a break in Vancouver, 16 hrs is too long. Is there a market for this route? will it succeed?

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How They Get The A/c:

Mon Aug 07, 2000 2:46 am

They're returing the DC-10s to Italy again, and once 767-400s are readily available, they'll be replaced once again.
 
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RE: How They Get The A/c:

Mon Aug 07, 2000 3:09 am

Great news for Hong Kong but this will not be non-stop if its 16hr 30min.

This will be the first time CO have flown to Hong Kong (apart from the Guam service)

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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 3:11 am

I do not think the 772ER's that CO will fly can make it from EWR to HKG on a single fuel load non-stop unless they reduce the pax/freight load slightly and add more fuel tanks. That's cutting it really close for the limits of this plane. Expect more than your fair share of "technical stops" at ANC for fuel during the winter months.

Now, the upcoming 772LR with its GE90-110B engines, on the other hand, can fly EWR-HKG with no problems.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 4:45 am

I'd love to see a New York-Hong Kong flight. Do you think that the current 777-200 ER could handle a flight from IAH-HKG?
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 12:46 pm

Amazing! I question the range capabilities of the 772
but they wouldn't be announcing it if they could not
really do it. Further proof that Continental is on the
cutting edge in providing air service to major markets
from New York, leaving Delta and American and
US Airways, the other major New York area airlines,
way behind.

Chalk one up for Bethune and Co. What's next,
Newark-Delhi?

 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 12:47 pm

Amazing! I question the range capabilities of the 772
but they wouldn't be announcing it if they could not
really do it. Further proof that Continental is on the
cutting edge in providing air service to major markets
from New York/Newark.

Chalk one up for Bethune and Co. What's next,
Newark-Delhi?

 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 1:00 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if the 772 has to make some occasional refueling stops in Alaska or Japan during the winter months. I flew to Tokyo on a United Airlines 747-200 back in November 1996 and we had to make an unscheduled stop for fuel in Sapporo due to strong headwinds.

 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 2:50 pm

The777 has the same range as a 474! It could make the trip with out worry!
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 3:22 pm

One very feasible possibility is that co will used newly develop routes over the north pole. If that's the case the airplane will fly east bound from ewr toward the North pole and then fly south toward hkg. In fact Cathay Pacific has done a fly through the arctic from Toronto to hkg, only difference is that it was a A340-300 flight.
 
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RE: N754PR

Mon Aug 07, 2000 3:36 pm


Go the Continental's page, and check it out 16hrs 30 mins nonstop westbound, I get my information from websites and they're all facts, NOT I THINK...DUUHHHHH...
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Marco

Mon Aug 07, 2000 3:41 pm

NO NEED TO BE RUDE !!

Trust me, the 777 will not make that flight, well maybe with a tailwind on a good day !!.

The new 777 I'm not sure but this version ???

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RE: Marco

Mon Aug 07, 2000 5:27 pm

Actually, today's 777-200ER's could make it from New York to Hong Kong. Just check out the range charts at: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777-200/rng.html
 
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RE: Marco

Mon Aug 07, 2000 6:10 pm

Ok maybe you're right if there is a strong tailwind then they'll need to make an unscheduled stop, but that doesn't happen everyday, and continental themselves have said that this route will be non-stop...so if they say so, and they said they're gonna fly with their B777, so obviously that means the B777 has the range to do so...

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777-200ER EWR-HKG-EWR

Mon Aug 07, 2000 10:03 pm

CO's 777-200ER range capabilities with the GE90-90B engines is enough to reach HKG from EWR with enough fuel for 30min hold and 400nm divert. Even with a wind factor of up to m15. However with its current pax config of 283 it may only have payload enough for about 5,000lb of cargo for that mission. Now if CO were able to use the newly available uprated GE90-94B or even the -93B they could increase their payload substantially, and by the same token it is probably a safe bet that they will reduce pax seating for the aircraft on that route to accomodate more fuel or cargo. I don't think that the folks at CO are dummies about their a/c ops and if they have made the plan to serve this route, they are most likely sure of their a/c's performance capabilities.

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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Mon Aug 07, 2000 10:46 pm

Even with the newly-available GE90-94B engines, using a 772ER to fly EWR-HKG is running close to the limits of that plane in terms of range even if they get to use routes over eastern Siberia.

If anyone remembers from a few months ago, when CX flew their A343 non-stop YYZ-HKG they had to do it with a much-reduced pax/cargo load to pull it off even on a polar route. Normally, CX flies the A343 on this route non-stop eastbound and one-stop (usually at ANC) westbound.

This is why I think the EWR-HKG operations by CO will likely follow the model of non-stop eastbound and one stop for fuel (either at ANC or SEA) westbound.
 
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RE: CO Press Release

Mon Aug 07, 2000 10:49 pm

August 6, 2000

CONTINENTAL AIRLINES ANNOUNCES DAILY NON-STOP SERVICE BETWEEN NEW YORK AND
HONG KONG

First-ever scheduled non-stop flight to be the longest operated by any U.S.
airline

NEW YORK, Aug. 6, 2000 - Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL and CAL.A), the
world's sixth largest airline, today announced it will launch new daily
non-stop Boeing 777 service between New York and Hong Kong, effective March
1, 2001, subject to government approval. This will mark the first time any
airline has flown scheduled non-stop service between the two cities, saving
travelers three hours en route from New York. The new service will be the
longest non-stop flight operated by a U.S. airline and the longest
scheduled non-stop flight ever flown out of New York. The 7,337
nautical-mile trip is also the longest route operated with a B-777
aircraft.*

"Hong Kong is the largest market from New York that is currently without
scheduled non-stop service, and it is clear that most travelers prefer a
non-stop," said Continental Airlines' Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Gordon Bethune. "As New York's hometown airline, we're very pleased to link
two of the world's leading business centers."

Service will be operated with a 283-seat Boeing 777-200 aircraft, carrying
48 passengers in the BusinessFirst cabin and 235 in coach.

Continental flight 99 will depart Newark International Airport daily at
11:00 a.m., arriving at Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok International Airport at
4:30 p.m. the next day. Returning flight 98 will depart Hong Kong at 12:45
p.m., arriving in Newark at 3:25 p.m. the same day. The flight will be
approximately 16 hours 30 minutes outbound and 15 hours 40 minutes on the
return.

The new route has been conveniently timed to connect with an extensive
network of service throughout the U.S., Canada and Latin America.

A Long History in Asia

Although a newcomer to the trans-Pacific market from Hong Kong, Continental
Airlines is no stranger to Hong Kong or to Asia. Continental operates daily
non-stop B-777 flights between Tokyo and both New York and Houston. Its
Continental Micronesia subsidiary, based in Guam, has served the Pacific
region for more than 30 years. Continental has served Hong Kong from Guam
for more than 10 years and currently operates three weekly flights with a
B-737-800 aircraft. Additionally, Continental serves eight cities in Japan
(more than any other U.S. carrier), including Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka,
Fukuoka, Sendai, Sapporo, Niigata, and Okayama, as well as Taiwan, Korea,
the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia, Hawaii, Saipan, and the islands of
Micronesia.

Continental Airlines is the fifth largest airline in the U.S., offering
more than 2,300 departures daily to 138 domestic and 95 international
destinations. Operating major hubs in New York, Houston and Cleveland,
Continental (www.continental.com) serves more international cities than any
other U.S. carrier, including extensive service throughout the Americas,
Europe and Asia.

*Source: OAG and The Boeing Company
 
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RE: CO Press Release

Tue Aug 08, 2000 12:24 am

CX did that flight with a 744 and according to Boeing, a 772ER has MORE range than a 744 so I don't see why not.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 2:41 am

I would expect to see a weight-restriction on the westbound leg (with a fuel stop happening occasionally). Given the indicated departure and arrival times, looks like this route in gonig to require three aircraft to operate.
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 2:46 am

Just like to point something out:

CX flew JFK-HKG nonstop, but their 747 was loaded to the brim with fuel, had almost NO cargo aboard, and had approximately 150 pax.

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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 2:53 am

Look people, if Continental said their 777's can do it, then it can. So stop questioning it. Goodness, some of you think you know a little too much, when u really dont.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 2:57 am

The plane could make the trip with out a problem. The range on a 777-200 is the same as the range on the 747-400. The only real difference is passenger capacity, and you have two very powerfull jet engines on the777, and 4 medium powered engines on the 747-400. 2 engines are better than 4, from an economical point of view. This is why more U.S. carriers use the 777 over the 747! If a 747 could make the trip, the 777 could do it!
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 3:01 am

Continental might as well install king-sized beds for their 75 or so passengers that they'll be able to accomodate!

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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 3:52 am

As a now former CO employee in market planning, I can confidently tell you that the engineers and ops people at CO have determined that this a/c can do EWR-HKG with a full pax/cargo load YEAR ROUND.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 5:12 am

I have the following questions for you, knowledgable people:

1. Is it confirmed that the route will be Trans-polar or not? I think that no definite agreement with Russia has been signed so far. Or will be soon?

2. The aircraft arrives in HKG at 4:30 pm and the return flight will be at 12:45 the next day. Where is this aircraft used in the meantime? Regional flights?

3. How many aircraft will be needed to serve the route daily - from the timetable it looks like at least 3. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank you.
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 6:14 am

Hi!! 1. I would think the route would be a polar route since that would be the shortest and most fuelsaving route. The polar routes should be in use in two to three monthes from what I have read. 2. I think the plane will sit in HKG until it leaves the next day. UA does this with some of its aircraft. 3. Three aircraft to fly the route sounds about right. CO already have replaced the 777s to Milan and Rome with DC-10-30s in their schedule for March. I think they may switch on of the EWR-TLV routes to a 767-200ER. That would be the three aircraft. I also think CO will order or lease 777-200LR for the EWR-HKG route. They will not be delivered until 2004 sometime. When they start I still think they have to have some weight restrictions but they have figured that they can still make this profitable. What will AA and DL do now? What about UA and NW that already fly there but not nonstop from NYC?The777Man
Boeing 777s flown: UA, TG, KE, BA, CX, NH, JD, JL, CZ, SQ, EK, NG, CO, AF, SV, KU, DL, AA, MH, OZ, CA, MS, SU, LY, RG, PE, AZ, KL, VN, PK, EY, NZ, AM, BR, AC, DT, UU, OS, AI, 9W, KQ, QR, VA, JJ, ET, TK, PR, BG, T5, CI, MU and LX.. Further to fly.. LH 777
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 6:22 am

The EWR-HKG route will be the longest nonstop route by any airline. Here are some distances of current long nonstop flights. EWR-HKG = 8071 mi, JFk-JNB (only 1 directon) = 7960 mi, LAX-MEL = 7930 mi and ORD-HKG = 7797 mi. The777Man
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 6:27 am

Thanks 777Man!
Yes, it will be very interesting to see how the other majors will react to this announcement. I bet AA will be next. Or maybe United?
 
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The777Man

Tue Aug 08, 2000 7:23 am

"The EWR-HKG route will be the longest nonstop route by any airline. Here are some distances of current long nonstop flights. EWR-HKG = 8071 mi, JFk-JNB (only 1 directon) = 7960 mi, LAX-MEL = 7930 mi and ORD-HKG = 7797 mi. The777Man"

FYI, ATL - JNB is a llloooonnnggg 8,440 miles, but it's only nonstop eastbound. Westbound, the plane stops in the Cape Verde islands off the western coast of Africa. Operated by SAA in code-share with DL. Longest round-trip nonstop would be EWR - HKG, but even that will probably have to make stops in Taipei or elsewhere occasionally.

I would be interested to see how Cathay Pacific reacts to this.

"The EWR-HKG route will be the longest nonstop route by any airline. Here are some distances of current long nonstop flights. EWR-HKG = 8071 mi, JFk-JNB (only 1 directon) = 7960 mi, LAX-MEL = 7930 mi and ORD-HKG = 7797 mi. The777Man
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 9:50 am

I don't believe that they'll need three a/c to operate EWR-HKG. Here's why:

The flight schedule states that it leaves EWR at 11 am and gets to HK on Day 2 @ 4:30 pm. That same a/c departs HK on what is now Day 3 @ 12:45 pm and arrives in EWR at 3:25 on Day 3. I know that they a/c has to sit at HK all day, but I don't believe that it does in EWR. I mean, is it really going to do nothing at one of their largest hubs from 3 25 in the afternoon till 11 the next morning? I believe that it will be cleaned and then be used for a transatlantic flight and this is what saves time. For example, their first flight to Tel Aviv arrived back in New York at 6 pm while it departed for Isael at 5 pm. I dont think that they're going to get another a/c just to sit around for nearly 24 hours at EWR. They'll use other 777s to support that since not every a/c is assigned to a specific route if it is based in a hub with quite a number of other a/c of the same kind. This would just save alot of time and planes and is a good reason that hubs are what they are.




Also, does anyone know if they plan to continue the fliught on to another place like Singapore or Thailand? This would boost their load factors aven more on the EWR-HKG part and could also probably connect to GUM, not to mention the superiority of the 777 over the predominant use of 747s.
 
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It's Gonna Take 3

Tue Aug 08, 2000 10:31 am

Plane 1 departs EWR on Monday at 1100hrs, it's not back until Wednesday at 1525. Plane 2 leaves on Tuesday and is back on Thursday. Plane 3 leaves Wednesday four hours before Plane 1 arrives back in EWR. The plane will Remain Over Night (RON) in HKG.
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RE: It's Gonna Take 3

Tue Aug 08, 2000 10:45 am

And you're tellin me the plane sits for 20 hours in a hub that has about a dozen other 777s based in it? You don't see my point, so I'll use an example:

The first flight to TLV departs monday at 5 pm and gets back tuesday @ 6 pm. So i guess theyre gonna get a whole nother plane so it can sit in EWR for 23 hours? Does the plane that flies EWR-LGW really need to be there for 6 hours? No, its used on another flight that departs earlier to they have better utilization of their a/c.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Tue Aug 08, 2000 12:16 pm

This 777-200ER, how is it different from that new 777-200LR and what is 777-200IGW?

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777 Terminology

Tue Aug 08, 2000 12:47 pm

777-200A, initial versions with the 77,000 lb thrust engines.
777-200B/777-200IGW/777-200ER, the increased gross weight models with 90,000+ lb thrust engines. Same plane, people like using different names. I think Boeing officially calls it the IGW.
777-200X/777-200LR... the new ultra-long range model. Boeing has not officially given it a name.
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It's Still 3 Planes....

Tue Aug 08, 2000 1:47 pm

Ishky15...
Ah, I see the confusion....
Plane 1 leaves Monday at 1100, Plane 2 does the same on Tuesday, Ditto Plane 3 on Wedesday. When Plane 1 lands back in EWR 4 hours after Plane 3 departs, it's free to go any place else they want to send it. Planes will RON in HKG for 20 hours, not EWR. Perhaps CX or someone else will be given a contract to perform line mx. on the plane while it sits in HKG..... or at least wash the thing.
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Wed Aug 09, 2000 12:42 am

I thought it was interesting that not long after I read this post, I was watching CNN, and they made a short announcement about this very topic! The newscaster said this will indeed be the longest regularly-scheduled commercial flight, and that it will be flown by Continental Airlines using a Boeing 777-200 aircraft.

Just a quick bit on the news, but interesting it merited coverage! I can't imagine being in an airplane for 16+ hours.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Wed Aug 09, 2000 12:56 am

Ilyushin96M --- that's my exact thought! I cannot conceive of being on a plane for 16 + hours, non-stop, especially in coach. My longest flights have been trans-pacific and 13.5 hours, but that was in First and it still was an eternity.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Wed Aug 09, 2000 3:50 am

One thing to point out is that a minimum of three is needed since the flights are on the order of 16 hours. A roundtrip is thus 32 hours not including turn around time (which minimumly would be on the order of 3 hours IMHO). There is physically no way that two planes can handle 32 hour roundtrips on a daily basis, no matter how the time zones are.

EWR-HKG (Plane 1) leaves at time A and doesn't arrive back in HKG until A+16. It helps to convert everything to UTC for comparison. (Plane 2-O) leaves at time B=A+24. I'm not sure what the turn around in HKG is, but we'll take the 20 hours as true. Plane 1 returns at A+16+20=A+36 and lands at A+36+16 = A+52 which is more than 2 days after it left and after the outbound plane 3 leaves.

See below:
Leave EWR
+0
Arrive HKG
+16
Leave HKG
+36
Arrive EWR
+52
Plane 1: +0+0+16+36+52
Plane 2: +24+24+40+60+76
Plane 3: +48+48+64+84+100
Plane 4 (1): +72+72.........


It is possible to tag on to each plane a roundtrip to Europe out of EWR to keep them utilized or run them to Houston. (20 hours - 3 hour layover in Europe (estimate) - 6 hours in Newark (both directions) = 11 hours of flight time... possible trips to London, of course faster turn around times will allow other places like Paris and Franfurt. Houston seems likely to me.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Wed Aug 09, 2000 6:06 am

I don't know why you couldn't be in a plane for 16+ hours, even in coach. You get on the plane it takes off, eat dinner, watch a movie or two, walk around...strech you legs a bit...go to sleep...wake up have breakfast...and you're there. I rather do that any day than get on a plane get off, wait for a connection 1-3 hours maybe?, go through boarding all over again...hope your bags are transferred.....etc, etc by the time you finish with your trip it would take you about 20 hours maybe even more.

Sorry...I've talked about this in a past post way back when but on long haul flights I always travel first, if not business...so if being on a plane for too long worries you... avoid coach ... then save, save save and cough up the $$ for 1st/business...but you must realize and look into the future there are going to be more and more of these types of long flights as the years go by, the A3xx and long range versions of the 777 are a reality.

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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Wed Aug 09, 2000 11:42 am

The real problem for going EWR-HKG non-stop may be in the winter months. At EWR, CO will be uplifting Jet-A fuel. In the winter months, the OAT over the North Pole may approach the freezing point of Jet A. The crew would then have to either descend to a warmer OAT or push the throttles to increase the induced heat into wing. Either one will eat into the airplane's range. 744s operating on transpolar flights have to watch the fuel temp and the 744 is already the fastest commercial plane flying (except for the Concorde). HKG-EWR should not have the problem since Jet A1 fuel, which has a lower freeze point, will be available in HKG.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Wed Aug 09, 2000 12:00 pm

How much of a distance is Guangzhou-LAX? China Southern operates this route with a 777. Is this shorter than the proposed CO route?

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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Wed Aug 09, 2000 6:18 pm

Sv11,

The flight from Guangzhou to LAX is only a little bit longer than the HKG-SFO flights done by CX, SQ and UA. And given that the 744 and 772ER have pretty much the same range, the 772ER that China Southern flies has the range to fly the Guangzhou to LAX route easily.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Thu Aug 10, 2000 2:18 am

Well, I don't think that B777-200ER can fly this long without refuel.
I think it should be a "Direct flight" but not "non-stop flight"
technical stop is needed for B777-200ER.
Unless the B777-200LR entried service.
Otherwise, I cannot believe it is possible.

But I prefer to take a stop at Japan(KIX or NRT), because fly 16+hours is very long and uncomfortable.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop & Laxflyer

Thu Aug 10, 2000 2:44 am

It's funny that everyone doubts the EWR-HKG route. I am hard pressed to believe that any airline would announce a route that the aircraft is unable to fly. Also, I wonder where LaxFlyer is? He was talking a lot of "smack" when this news first trickled out.
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RE: Drerx7

Thu Aug 10, 2000 3:37 am

I am a FA for CO if that is any of your business. You still haven't said what post you hold at CO headquarters. Also when I checked the employee locater for your name...Guess what? It wasn't there.
 
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RE: LaxFlyer

Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:03 pm

Hey LaxFlyer, in defense of Drerx7, I know of him from the Yahoo IAH spotter's club, and know that he is interning at CO's headquarters. Therefore he is not an official employee of the company, and wouldn't be listed in the employee register. I don't personally know him, but thought I would try to defend him since I've seen you question him a couple of times. You have to admit, he did call the EWR-HKG flight before it was common knowledge. Give him a break.


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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Fri Aug 11, 2000 4:46 pm

I would like to hear from somebody who actually takes the flight to provide a report. This will settle it. Maybe a CO employee can get someone from that crew to come on-line here and post.
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RE: ContinentalEWR

Sat Aug 12, 2000 12:00 am

I have to say I don't agree with all of your "fluff" regarding Continental. They are a very fine airline, but not as great as you make them out to be.

You say Continental "...is on the cutting edge in providing air service to major markets from New York..." Cutting edge means being the first. In that respect Continental is not cutting edge. Delta was way ahead of Continental in starting service to Europe from New York (back in 1991 via their purchase of Pan Am's routes). American, with the routes from Eastern, was serving Latin America from New York well before Continental. And, this new service to Hong Kong is decades after both United and Northwest have been serving Tokyo nonstop. Plus, why hasn't Continental applied to serve China from New York like Delta? Hardly cutting edge to me.

Delta, American, and even United for that matter, are not "way behind" Continental when it comes to international service from New York. Heck, THE major market from New York is probably Heathrow, and Continental doesn't even fly there.

Again, Continental is a great airline by today's standards. But keep things in perspective.
 
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RE: CO EWR-HKG Non-stop

Sat Aug 12, 2000 12:33 am

ORD, Continental IS on the cutting edge of travel in NY. Hong Kong was never served nonstop before. Honolulu was never served nonstop before. No US airline flies to more international cities than CO. No airline flies to as many cities from NY as CO. CO never had the equipment to serve NRT from EWR, so it was not a reality until now. And CO is the only airline flying to Japan from EWR. If slots were available at Heathrow and the US and England signed an open skies agreement for Heathrow, then CO would definitely be the first to get there.

Want some more?

Here are other firsts for Continental

EWR-BHX
EWR-SNN
EWR-DUB
EWR-AUA
EWR-SCL
EWR-GIG
EWR-GRU
EWR-CCS
EWR-CZM
EWR-PTY
EWR-LIM
EWR-BOG
EWR-POP
EWR-GLA
EWR-AUS
EWR-ANU
EWR-STT
EWR-ACA

Need I say more?

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