|Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
The German magazin "Der Spiegel" -historically anti-French and anti-Airbus,with a track-record of lousy aviation reporting,hailed the 787 succes story by comparing "nearly 600 787 sales against only 13 ...A350 sales.."
I don't know where they get their figures from,but the author of this article shour do some home-work...
However I too don't see "Der Spiegel" as a Bible of accurate reporting, but in this case they are correct...
|Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 16):
The Airbus Order page figures 71 orders for the -800 and 33 orders for the -900 series.
The plane those orders are for "technically" is no longer on offer... I still scratch my head every time when I see that report... how on earth could you file orders for a product you don't even want to build?
|Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 17):
That includes the original A350 orders. The majority of those have not yet been converted into XWB orders.
|Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 18):
But they have not been cancelled neither...
So as long a carrier maintains an order for a specific model - despite the aircraft undergoing specification -changes, Airbus has to keep them as confirmed orders.
A typical example is Yemenia Airways,who keep their order-announcement for the A350 on their web-page and publicise it.
Ok if you really want to get into hair-cutting on this... those orders are nothing, but an order for a plane that will never be built, and since Airbus does not seem to ever want to build those planes, any order (if the contract includes such penalties) will draw compensation payments BIG TIME. So look at it this way, if say Yemenia does not convert it's order to any model of the XWB, their contract for the original A350 they ordered will be violated by Airbus at some point... If not sooner, then at the marked date of delivery. So either they sign up for the new and improved XWB with big discounts that will make the deal sweet, or Airbus will simply have to terminate the contract and face the penalties. Either way if you want to be honest, non of those orders can be looked at as a direct order for any XWB since even if those customer sign up for the XWB it will be a new contract, legally a new order, or at a minimum an order conversion!
Now before anyone attacks me on being an Airbus basher, I am not! I hope and pray for the A350XWB to be a success and I would have commented also if this discussion would be about any Boeing product. But legally these things are facts, and as much as I like Airbus products I find the Airbus propaganda leaders and management a dishonest audacious liars who simply brought my one-time favorite aviation company to a messy future! And before the cheerleaders start commenting on Boeing doing the same... no... Boeing never joked on other companies products or on problems the other face... no, they never made sport of discrediting the products of the other manufacturer. They did have scandals and internal affairs, but dealt with them and now we live in a world where any Airline CEO with it's right mind simply gives credit to any Boeing pledge, while simply takes anything coming from Airbus with a grain of salt...
Sorry Beaucaire, It is not aimed at you or your comment, I simply freak out every time when the discussion is about my beloved Airbus... issues are addressed, but almost all the problematic leaders are in place, and keep on yapping as nothing was wrong any more!
[Edited 2007-06-13 16:13:22]