6thfreedom
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Firefly To Koh Samui..

Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:16 pm

I posted this in the Malaysian thread, but no response.... so here goes..


FIREFLY to Koh Samui.

Can someone explain to me under what grounds Firefly were granted access to Koh Samui?
I thought the airport was owned and operated by Bangkok Airways, and no one else was allowed in?
How did Firefly manage it?

Also, is Koh Samui able to handle A319/A320 aircraft?
I know the ops now are mostly B717/ATR
 
bananaboy
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:32 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Thread starter):
Also, is Koh Samui able to handle A319/A320 aircraft?
I know the ops now are mostly B717/ATR

Can't answer the rest of your questions, but the airport is certainly capable of handling the A319/A320. Bangkok Airways operates them in and out of Koh Samui on several routes, such as Singapore.

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9MMAR
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:48 pm

I am not quite sure about how Firefly managed to get a landing right but Malaysia's Berjaya Air has been serving USM for years.
 
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:28 pm

Quoting BananaBoY (Reply 1):
capable of handling the A319/A320. Bangkok Airways operates them in and out of Koh Samui on several routes, such as Singapore.

Actually they operate the A320 to BKK AFAIK

IIRC Bangkok Airways uses only the B717 to destinations such as SIN and HKG unless they changed it recently

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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting Ag92 (Reply 3):
Actually they operate the A320 to BKK AFAIK

IIRC Bangkok Airways uses only the B717 to destinations such as SIN and HKG unless they changed it recently

Regards
Ag92

Ooops. My mistake. The A319 does at least visit USM though on a few occasions, so the airport must be able to handle them... perhaps not the A320.

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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:29 pm

I remember that many airlines complained about the Koh Samui airport being monopolised by Bangkok Air and the government told hem that if they did not open the airport to other users, then they would build a second airport on the island, in the south. I guess that they decided to open up!
 
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Thread starter):
FIREFLY to Koh Samui.

Source? As a quasi-frequent visitor to USM, I'd like to read about this...
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MH1402
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 6):
Source? As a quasi-frequent visitor to USM, I'd like to read about this...

Here you can find more about Firefly
http://www.fireflyz.com.my/ready-to-fly/flight-route
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 2):
I am not quite sure about how Firefly managed to get a landing right but Malaysia's Berjaya Air has been serving USM for years.

Correct. See http://www.berjaya-air.com/flightschedule.htm
 
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 6):
Source? As a quasi-frequent visitor to USM, I'd like to read about this...

Also, just read any of the recent Malaysian Aviation Threads for more information about Firefly.
 
6thfreedom
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:08 am

OK, but does anyone know how and why these services are permitted, while others wanting to serve the airport are shut out??
 
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:53 pm

I guess that since Bangkok Air is owning the airport they can give permission to whoever they want to fly there. I think they do not see a threat in Firefly flying from PEN to USM, because there are not many possiblities to connect from anywhere in the world through PEN to USM. I am sure they wouldn't allow them to fly KUL - USM for that matter.
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting SQA350 (Reply 11):
I am sure they wouldn't allow them to fly KUL - USM for that matter.

If by KUL you mean Kuala Lumpur International Airport, Sepang (KUL) then you are right.. there's no flight from KLIA to USM..

But if you mean KUL as Kuala Lumpur in general.. I'm afraid you're mistaken since Berjaya air do operate from Kuala Lumpur, Subang Airport(SZB)

But you're right in not many connections from anywhere in the world to either PEN or SZB
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 5):
I remember that many airlines complained about the Koh Samui airport being monopolised by Bangkok Air

Well, from Bangkok Air's point of view, what should they open it to other competitors when they built their airport on their own?
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting MH1402 (Reply 12):
If by KUL you mean Kuala Lumpur International Airport, Sepang (KUL) then you are right.. there's no flight from KLIA to USM..

But if you mean KUL as Kuala Lumpur in general.. I'm afraid you're mistaken since Berjaya air do operate from Kuala Lumpur, Subang Airport(SZB)

But you're right in not many connections from anywhere in the world to either PEN or SZB

Sorry, by KUL I mean KLIA and not SZB of course.
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:45 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 13):
Well, from Bangkok Air's point of view, what should they open it to other competitors when they built their airport on their own?

I agree!! If it were me I would not give it away willingly either!
 
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 13):
Well, from Bangkok Air's point of view, what should they open it to other competitors when they built their airport on their own?

They can profit from Airport tax...I believe airport tax is negotiable between airport and airlines.
Since Bangkok Air own the airport they can just remove the airport tax for Bangkok Air plane... and charge every other plane. Thus they can offer cheaper ticket than their competitors without compromising yield.
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:09 pm

I suspect that there are also some deals involving the tourism offices of both Penang and Samui. Obviously an air link between these popular islands gives tourists an easy possibility to combine them in one vacation. It wouldn't surprise me if both Firefly and Bangkok Airways get some kind of funding from the tourism offices, for different reasons though.
 
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RE: Firefly To Koh Samui..

Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:18 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 13):
Well, from Bangkok Air's point of view, what should they open it to other competitors when they built their airport on their own?

well, there is reason to do it...
let's say on average PG makes $25 per ticket on flights to USM, but they could generate say $40 per passenger from airport charges/food and beverage etc, why wouldn't they consider it?

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