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Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:15 pm

More news comming....webcast using the term "net aircraft growth" for 2008 and finding homes for the others.....

More details to come....
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:25 pm

Some highlights so far....

Decision on assigned seats to come....

Additional revenue generation....travel via southwest.com, also items onboard the aircraft

Focus on the business traveler...(almost sounded like a hint into business class)

Enhanced cargo revenue

RFP for in cabin WIFI for next year
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:27 pm

Similar topics have already been covered

May be an official annoucement for the cancellation of:
PHL-OAK/LAX
BWI-OAK/LAX
MDW-SNA

or just a general annoucement that they plan to curtail long transcon routes
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:31 pm

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 2):
May be an official annoucement for the cancellation of:
PHL-OAK/LAX
BWI-OAK/LAX
MDW-SNA

or just a general annoucement that they plan to curtail long transcon routes

They generally mentioned schedule changes, some flights trimmed then also increased flights for DEN and MSY.

The new schedule will be published today
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:33 pm

Several hints of a portfolio of items for the business traveler "road warriors" with items including:
boarding
seating
fare structure
rapid rewards program

more details to be unveiled in the fall... but almost sounds like a business class section to me.....
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:41 pm

Are you guys talking about the upcoming "Message to the Field"??
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:43 pm

Slowing the growth rate from 8% to 6% over the next 2 years sounds more like "tapping" the brakes...

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070627/southwest_growth.html?.v=1
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:48 pm

WiFi in the cabin? Sweet, as long as they block VoIP. Last thing I need is Chatty Kathy next to me talking for 4 hours.
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
then also increased flights for ... MSY

.....about friggin' time!  Angry
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:51 pm

Pull down of 15 aircraft in 2008, but no specifics mentioned, my guess would be older -300s.....
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:51 pm

2008 737-700 net total fleet cut from 34 to 19...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...062807dnbussouthwest.1c921beb.html

[Edited 2007-06-27 17:14:38]
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
then also increased flights for DEN and MSY.

....details please, when they become available.

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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
2008 737-700 deliveries cut from 34 to 19...

They just said 9 aircraft have leases that end in Q4 2007 and those may be candidates, they didnt outright say all would be deferrals... they discussed it just after i posted.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:00 am

The new schedule is now uploaded into OAG

[Edited 2007-06-27 17:00:59]
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:02 am

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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 8):
.....about friggin' time!



Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 11):
....details please, when they become available.

Tom at MSY

Looks like 8 new flights....
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:09 am

MSY:
+1 DAL (total 6)
+1 MCO (total 4)
+3 Birmingham (total 3)
+2 HOU (total 11)
+1 LAS (total 2)
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:10 am

Ouch... ISP lost 4 flights 1 BWI 1 LAS 2 MDW


Correction... they loose 6 flights! 2 BWI 3 MDW 1 LAS

[Edited 2007-06-27 17:14:23]
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:13 am

Looks like BWI is one of the losers

-2 LAX (total 0)
-1 OAK (total 0)
-1 CLE (total 4)
-2 ISP (total 7)
-1 PHX (total 4)
-1 MCO (total 9)

8 flts lost
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
They just said 9 aircraft have leases that end in Q4 2007 and those may be candidates

I hope they're -300s...  Wink
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:17 am

Well, Looks like RDU stays status quo...

-1 PHX, but +1 to LAS (announced much earlier this year).

ARE YOU SERIOUS?????

30 daily flights between DAL and HOU? Is that REALLY necessary?
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:17 am

DEN gained more than MSY

+3 ABQ (total 3)
+2 Amarillo (total 2)
+1 AUS (total 1)
+1 BNA (total 2)
+2 OKC (total 2)
+4 SEA (total 4)
+1 SLC (total 5)

gain of 14 flts
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:20 am

The pdf file won't work for me. Can someone post what STL gained or lossed.....
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 22):
The pdf file won't work for me. Can someone post what STL gained or lossed.....

Click on the first link, and the second link is also within that article. Try it that way...
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:25 am

Not much action for STL

+1 MDW (total 12)
+1 CMH (total 2)
-1 HOU (total 4)
+1 LAS (total 3)

net gain of 3 flts
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:27 am

The 10:00am webcast where all this is discussed is being archived and will be available shortly at:

http://www.southwest.com/about_swa/f...ials/investor_relations_index.html
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 16):
MSY:
+1 DAL (total 6)
+1 MCO (total 4)
+3 Birmingham (total 3)
+2 HOU (total 11)
+1 LAS (total 2)

Here are my comments:

1) Wow....they brought BHM back....interesting, seeing how XE is flying the route. Very nice to see.

2) I like the 2nd LAS...that makes up for US/HP not bringing back its nonstop following Katrina

3) 11 daily to HOU...they are creeping up to CO in that market again in terms of daily flights...only off by 2 now.

4) 4 to MCO gives WN a nice frequency advantage over DL in the market now (4 to 2)

5) 6 to DAL is only one off of what they had before Katrina

That'll make, from my count, 33 daily nonstops...at least they cracked the 30 number!
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
Focus on the business traveler...(almost sounded like a hint into business class)

I'd read that to mean fewer "Fun Fares" and more full price fares, plus trimming routes that are low yield and depend on "fun Fare Pax's". No perks for business travelers, just another way of saying their is a fare hike in the works.
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:38 am

Good to see SWA expandng at SEA. Not too long ago they wanted to move from SEA to BFI. 1 new flight to SMF and SJC and four daily flightst o DIA. Good for Seattle. It's intresting that they cut 1 flight from SEA to MDW. Any reason why they cut a flight on the SEA-MDW route? I always loved flying non-stop right into MDW with Southwest when having to travel last minute.
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:48 am

WN Schedule Change Highlights

Baltimore
Decrease of 8 flights
Los Angeles and Oakland discontinued

Denver
Increase of 14 flights
New Service to Albuquerque, Amarillo, Austin, Oklahoma City, Seattle

Los Angeles
Decrease of 6 flights
Philadelphia and Baltimore discontinued

New Orleans
Increase of 8 flights
New Service to Birmingham

Philadelphia
Decrease of 4 flights
Los Angeles and Oakland discontinued

Phoenix
Decrease of 7 flights
Cleveland discontinued

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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:49 am

I find it interesting that Columbus is seeing growth by Southwest despite Skybus' introduction into the market. It's worthwhile noting, however, that the markets that Southwest is growing are not near any Skybus service, at least not yet.

Southwest service enhancements for CMH (all effective 04Nov):

CMH-MDW: +1 (Total of 8)
CMH-STL: +1 (Total of 2)
CMH-TPA +1 (Total of 3)

This will bring Southwest up to 29 daily flights from CMH to 9 cities.
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:50 am

I'm having trouble with the audio presentation, was there anything decided yet on seating/boarding. I keep seeing hints here and there.
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 29):
Philadelphia
Decrease of 4 flights
Los Angeles and Oakland discontinued

Correction

PHL
-2 LAX (total 0)
-1 OAK (total 0)
-1 PVD (total 5)
+1 BNA (total 3)

net loss 3 flts
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 32):
PHL
-2 LAX (total 0)
-1 OAK (total 0)
-1 PVD (total 5)
+1 BNA (total 3)

US Airways must be happy today...

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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 33):
US Airways must be happy today...



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 21):
DEN gained more than MSY

+3 ABQ (total 3)
+2 Amarillo (total 2)
+1 AUS (total 1)
+1 BNA (total 2)
+2 OKC (total 2)
+4 SEA (total 4)
+1 SLC (total 5)

gain of 14 flts

Frontier & United....not so happy.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:06 am

TUS gets a new OAK n/s and an additional SAN flight.
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
30 daily flights between DAL and HOU? Is that REALLY necessary?

Those flights are often full from dawn until dusk. They could throw A380 on that route and keep them full.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 29):
Philadelphia
Decrease of 4 flights
Los Angeles and Oakland discontinued

IMO, that is the most unfortunate or at least undesirable market to lose flights. I don't think anything of reducing 2% of total frequencies out of BWI to grow newer markets like DEN, but

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
but almost sounds like a business class section to me.....

That is very, very unlikely for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that WN is weeks/days away from receiving their 500th aircraft, and implementing such a cabin overhaul would require massive downtime. It would also be a dramatic shift away from the corporate culture WN has fostered for decades, and I suspect there are too many "old guard" still around to begin offering a premium product.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:15 am

I had been wondering about IAD-MDW, which has now lost a flight, because seven seemed like quite a few flights between the two. Are those flights perhaps biting into their BWI-MDW service? There is already quite a bit of capacity with UA to ORD from IAD, BWI and DCA.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 18):
-1 MCO (total 9)



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):

30 daily flights between DAL and HOU? Is that REALLY necessary?

Something tells me 30x could be better accomplished by less flights larger aircraft. Once it gets to be that many daily there's no longer the "frequency" that business travelers need. 30x is pretty much following each other down the taxiways. Those business travelers wouldn't notice that 15 minute window one way or another if a few of those flights were bumped, it's not like ANY flight runs on that precise of a schedule anyways I don't care which airline you are. Likewise 9x BWI-MCO, it's not as if MCO is the high-yields capital of the world by any means. You don't need that high frequency on primarily vacation flights. Maybe with all this yammering about everything else, and the fuel hedges slowly expiring, Southwest should finally bite the bullet on plane types. It can't be THAT hard to schedule an extra FA in the computer onto a 739ER with the computer technology now in 2007, and the pilots would still be 737 type certified so that would probably be no different than the change from the 735 to 73G.

Also not surprised to see IAD-MDW drop a frequency... there were many "reports" of that route having miserable loads, and with tiny loads you can bet the chances of the majority of those being the bargain basement fares keeping yields miserable were pretty high too.
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 21):
DEN gained more than MSY

Those of us in New Orleans won't lose any sleep over that one.....suffice to say we're happy with the eight we're getting.

Down the road I think we'll see more service return out west (ie new LAX, SAN, OAK, addl PHX), esp when and if US/HP return PHX and LAS service. Nice to see the additional LAS nonstop, as well.

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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:21 am

Finally! ive been waiting for that for ages! AMA-DEN 2x each way daily  yes 

Sad to see a couple of our ABQ flights go (1 each way daily) but im fine with the new flights! Big grin


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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:21 am

SAN didn't change very much; looks like (on the 12/04 schedule anyway):

OAK -2 (now 18/day - not too surprising with the 8 new SFO flights)
TUS +1 (now 4/day - welcomed and needed)
BWI n/s (dbl daily) are still there...

Looks like LA lost at least an OAK flight, BWI and PHL and nothing new at SFO.

It appears that WN has mended its bad feelings for SEA, doesn't it? DEN-SEA surprises me; WN will be competing against 3 established cx in that market -- 2 based in DEN and 1 based in SEA! Interesting.

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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 38):
Something tells me 30x could be better accomplished by less flights larger aircraft.

Maybe southwest is one of the two mystery A-380 customers. They could have 7 daily flights with the A380.  laughing 

That is a lot of flights. Does WN have any other 20x daily routes?
 
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 36):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
but almost sounds like a business class section to me.....

That is very, very unlikely for a number of reasons

Listen to the webcast, there are repeated references to enhanced offerings for businsess travelers, they used the word "porfolio" of things to attract the higher yeilding fliers all to be unvieled in the fall, so we shall see.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 42):
Does WN have any other 20x daily routes?

LAS-PHX is at 19x I believe.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 38):
Something tells me 30x could be better accomplished by less flights larger aircraft. It can't be THAT hard to schedule an extra FA in the computer onto a 739ER with the computer technology now in 2007, and the pilots would still be 737 type certified so that would probably be no different than the change from the 735 to 73G.

I do agree that WN should consider a larger fleet type at some point, and the 739ER may be a great place to start. I did some "numbers" last time this came up, and replacing the 733/73G with 739ER on this specific route yielded some considerable labor savings in terms of flight crew utilization. And going from 30x daily at 137 seats to 22x at 192 seats is still ample frequencies for the road warriors.

I also think that WN is entering a more conservative phase of "growth," and we may see some early 733 replacement if it becomes difficult to fill new airplanes.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 42):
Does WN have any other 20x daily routes?

OAK-SAN (20x daily) and OAK-LAX (22x daily) until late fall anyway...

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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 35):
TUS gets a new OAK n/s and an additional SAN flight.

Hopefully the OAK flight will connect with ATA's flights to Hawaii.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 18):
Looks like BWI is one of the losers

-2 LAX (total 0)
-1 OAK (total 0)
-1 CLE (total 4)
-2 ISP (total 7)
-1 PHX (total 4)
-1 MCO (total 9)

8 flts lost

Could this be the opening that FL was looking for? One, is there enough traffic for BWI-LAX & maybe BWI-SFO for FL to take this one up? Second, what about a BWI-CAK, pull some of the southern CLE traffic away from WN & CO?

Third, what if any did FL's business in BWI affect WN's decision to pull these routes?
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:53 am

The Denver additions are interesting.

DEN-SEA is a little puzzling since there are already three airlines serving this route, each with a hub at one end. Doesn't look like a market in need of the Southwest effect, as the competition is pretty intense anyway. Plus those higher yield business travellers WN is talking about are already loyal to the frequent flier programs of one of those three. Not sure how this will work for them.

DEN-ABQ has been expected for quite a time. There are already two incumbents on the route, UA x 7 and F9 x 5. Prices are a bit high and ABQ passengers tend to be pretty loyal to WN so it should be pretty safe, but I'm not sure 3 flights a day will cut it for the business travellers. May see additional frequencies soon.

DEN-OKC was another one that seemed like is was going to happen eventually. No big surprise here.

I figured AMA would happen, but AUS surprised me. I expect them to do well along with the added BNA and SLC frequencies.
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RE: Southwest Hits The Brakes On Growth

Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 48):

DEN-SEA is a little puzzling since there are already three airlines serving this route, each with a hub at one end.

Puzzling Why?

WN does not need a hub to make a route work, this has been proven over and over again with routes like:

SMF-SAN, BUR-SJC, and SNA-SMF

WN is looking at through pax with new routes. They are seeing what routes warrant a sufficient demand. It has in most cases been made apparently clear that WN could fit that need with a DEN-SEA nonstop 4x per day.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 48):
Doesn't look like a market in need of the Southwest effect, as the competition is pretty intense anyway.

That would be the point of view of AS, UA, and F9.

WN drives yields down for legacies like AS and UA, and in most cases offers the lowest walk-up fares. This will hit UA and AS the most, F9 the least. Another market than WN has entered that will force a reduction in UA ticket prices is SFO-SAN. AS has already decided top bow out of the market.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 48):
Plus those higher yield business travellers WN is talking about are already loyal to the frequent flier programs of one of those three.

Why shouldn't WN use a new route to their advantage such as SEA-DEN to purge off of other airlines?

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