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Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:43 am

Well it seems that the thread concerning Indonesian Aviation part 2 had been terminated.
There are sizeable issues currently involving the country that need to be discussed.

What effect will the EU ban on all Indonesian Airlines have on carriers such as LH and KL?
Will they be forced to suspend their SIN-CGK flights?? What will happen to any interline
agreements involving Indonesian carriers and the rest of the world. Will the joint services
with MH have to be drawn down now??

Will the older B737s operated by Indonesian carriers be removed from the carrier fleets due
to age restrictions?? Will the EU ban make it harder for Indonesian carriers to get financing
to expand their fleets??
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:59 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Thread starter):
Well it seems that the thread concerning Indonesian Aviation part 2 had been terminated.

For the record, I did a search for this thread through the Moderator database. It's simply gone. As far as I can tell, No Moderator canned the thread, but there was a major database malfunction this morning and therein may lie the problem.
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:23 pm

As it appears that the part2 discussion disappeared per ANCFlyer, use this to continue the
discussion on all matters related to Indonesian Aviation.
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:22 pm

Well, at least I saved the last insert of incident compilations which was initially posted by Mandala499 listing incidents from Jan to June 2007 regarding Indonesian airlines.

From Mandala499:
As we enter July, here is a summary of accidents, incidents, events of
concern, and events reported on the news that are determined to be
non-events. This list is not guaranteed to be accurate in any way! Read at
own risk! (total problems between 1 jan till 30 june)
Enjoy.

Quote:
Damage:
ND = No Damage, LD = Light Damage, SD = Severe Damage, WO = Write Off, NEI
= Not Enough Information

Phases:
TO = Take Off, C = Climb, ER = Enroute, AA = Airfield Approach, RA =
Runway Approach, L = Landing, G = Ground.

Causes:
PE = Pilot/Crew Error, AE = ATC Error, Wx = Weather, EF = Engine
Fire/Failure, SF = Systems Failure, FIT = Flight Into Terrain, CA =
Criminal/Terrorist Action/Security Concern, OE = Other Error, UD =
Undetermined

Classification:
FA = Fatal Accident
NFA = Non-Fatal Accident
SI = Serious Incident
LI = Light Incident
EOC = Event of Concern
NE = Non Event

AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT/INCIDENT/EVENTS OF CONCERN

1. 01Jan, UNKN & TF-ATJ, Garuda 735 & Saudi 747, CGK, ground collision
while pushback.
LD, G, OE, NFA

2. 01Jan PK-KKW Adam Air 734, SUB-MDC, missing, suspected went down near
Majene. All missing presumed dead. Cause Undetermined. Suspected
maintenance / weather caused.
WO, ER, UD, FA

3. 02Jan, UNKN, Lion Air MD90, CGK-SUB-UPG-AMQ. Overrun at AMQ. Incident
denied by airline.
NEI, L, PE/WX, SI

4. 06Jan UNKN, Pelita Air F28, KOE, windshield crack.
LD, ER, WX/SF, LI

5. 07Jan, PK-YTU, Batavia 733, PKP-CGK, Nosegear problem after attempting
take off after a shudder was felt. Right nosewheel broke, aircraft RTA.
LD, TO, SF, SI

6. 11Jan, PK-CJJ, Sriwijaya 732, MLG-CGK, diverted SUB after departure due
to landing gear warning.
ND, TO, SF. EOC

7. 12Jan, PK-PJN, Pelita Air F100, CGK-DUB-PKU, Windshield crack notified
to pax after landing Dumai.
LF, ER, SF/UD, EOC

8. 12Jan, UNKN, Sriwijaya 732, CGK-PLM, RTB due to Weather Radar problem.
ND, C, SF, EOC

9. 14Jan, PK-RPX, RPX 732C (operating for Gading Sari Aviation), KUL-KCH,
landed short and landing gear collapse resulting in veering to right of
runway, remainign landing gear snapping after reaching grass. Aircraft
ended facing backwards with 1 engine detached totally, and 1 engine
detached but remaining underwing prior to removal. Suspected cause, hard
landing and initial contact not with paved surface. Aircraft write off.
WO, L, PE, NFA

11. 17Jan, UNKN, Batavia 734, MDC-BPN-CGK. landing gear/ground relay
problem after departure. RTB Manado.
ND, T, SF, EOC

12. 17Jan, PK-RMC(?), Mandala A320, CGK-AMQ, ECAM warning prompting RTB
ND, C, SF, EOC

13. 19Jan, UNKN, Indonesia Air Asia 733, CGK-PDG, wheel locked upon
landing requiring towing to apron.
ND, L, SF, LI

14. 19Jan, UNKN, Batavia Air, 737 (version UNKN), CGK-PNK, starter failure
during pushback, after several attempts over 30 mins, towed back to apron.
ND, G, EF, EOC

15. 31Jan, UNKN, Lion 734, GTO-UPG-CGK, Engine starter failure.
ND, G, EF, EOC

16. 04Feb, PK-LIF(?), Lion 734, UNKN-MDC, reported nosewheel steering
failure upon arrival.
ND, L, SF, LI

17. 20Feb, UNKN, UNKN, Helicopter engine failure on departure while
carrying Minister of Home Affairs.
NEI, TO, EF, LI

18. 20Feb, UNKN British Airways 744, BKK-SYD, smoke in cockpit prompted
mayday and divert to DPS. WAAZ ATC reported did not respond to mayday or
mayday relay as expected. No injuries. Source of smoke revealed as cockpit
recirculation fan bearing failure.
ND, ER, SF, SI

19. 21Feb PK-KKV Adam Air 733, CGK-SUB, hard landing in rain. Suspected
windshear, no go around attempt was reported. Unconfirmed few injuries.
WO, L, PE+WX, A

20. 24Feb, UNKN, Wings Air MD82, CGK-UPG, pressurization problem, diverted
to SUB.
ND, ER, SF, SI

21. 25Feb, UNKN, Adam Air, 732, CGK-SOC, RTB due to flaps/slats/stabilizer
problems.
ND, C, SF, SI

22. 02MAR, UNKN, Merpati B732, KUL-CGK, Oil leak and diverted to Batam.
ND, ER, EF, LI

23. 06Mar, UNKN, Garuda Indonesia, B737 (series UNKN), BKK-CGK. Aircraft
RTB'ed to BKK after 30 mins due to problems with Engine number 2
generator.
ND, C, SF, LI

24. 06Mar, UNKN, Sriwijaya Air 732, BTH-MES. Aircraft vectored into
terrain by ATC resulting in crew action to avoid accident.
ND, AA, AE, SI

25. 07Mar, UNKN, Lion Air 733/4, GTO-CGK or CGK-UPG. Sketchy details of
incident. Company claims a CGK-UPG and divert to SUB due to weather. Media
reported GTO-CGK diverted to SUB. This was backed by claims by relative of
pax who said he received an SMS after flight had landed in SUB, mentioning
that "it was announced there was a problem with the aircraft and we were
told to prepare for ditching." (source:
http://www.indoflyer.net/indoforum/tm.asp?m=117072)
ND, ER, SF, SI

26. 07Mar, PK-GZC, Garuda Indonesia 734, CGK-JOG. High and fast approach
resulted in overrun and subsequent airframe brake up and fire. 22 killed.
WO, L, UD(PE suspected), FA

27. 12Mar, PK-YTS, Batavia Air 732 , PKY-CGK. Aircraft aborted take off.
Information received that aircraft had become airborne before the abort
has been dismissed. Aircraft reportedly aborted take off after
sparks/flames were seen on the right side of the aircraft.
ND, T, EF, SI

28. 14Mar, UNKN, Garuda Indonesia 733, BTJ-CGK. Aircraft delayed departure
after pax boarded due to failure of one of the Engine Drive
Generator/Pumps. After a replacement pump was flown in from Jakarta, the
aircraft departed to Jakarta.
ND, G, SF, EOC

29. 16Mar, Unkn, Sriwijaya Air 732, CGK-PGK. Aircraft was hit by lightning
on one of its attempts to land at PGK, on both occasions aircraft returned
to CGK.
ND, AA, WX, LI

30. 16Mar, Unkn, Sriwijaya Air 732, PLM-CGK. Aircraft suffered engine
problem prior to take off. Suspected engine fire on startup
ND, G, EF, SI

31. 23Mar, UNKN, Merpati Nusantara 732, DPS-KOE. Birdstrike on windshield.
LD, ER, OE, LI

32. 28Mar, UNKN, Garuda Indonesia Unkn, CGK-SIN. GA828 had engine ignition
problems on startup resulting in smoke being emitted.
ND, G, EF, OEC

33. 31Mar, UNKN, Mandala Air 732, CGK-MLG. Flight delayed 24hrs due to
technical and weather issues.
ND, G, WX+SF, EOC

34. 05Apr, PK-AWQ, Indonesia Air Asia 733, PLM-CGK. Aircraft returned to
apron due to flap indicator showing asymmetry.
ND, G, SF, LI

35. 07Apr, PK-SDP, Alfa Flying School C172, Curug-HLP. Engine failure
after take off from Curug on training flight.
WO, ER, EF, NFA

36. 08Apr, PK-WIH, Lion Air MD82, CGK-BDJ. Outer left and right main
landing gear tires burst on landing.
LD, L, SF, LI

37. 12Apr, PK-GWK, Garuda Indonesia 734, CGK-UPG-MDC. GA602 suffered
vibrations on take off. Precautionary visual inspection over Makassar
Airport revealed a tyre had burst.
LD, TO, SF, LI(SI)

38. 12Apr, Unkn, Garuda (Citilink) 733, SUB-AMI. Oil leak at HYD pump
caused aircraft stranded.
ND, G, SF, EOC

39. 12Apr, Unkn, Garuda Indonesia 744, CGK-JED. Aircraft turned back in
Indian airspace after a test missile was launched nearby. Garuda claimed
no prior information on the tests which are disputed by Indian
authorities.
ND, ER, AE/OE, EOC

40. 15Apr, Unkn, Lion Air Unkn, AMI-SUB. Ground manouver required to avoid
a stray dog on runway.
ND, L, OE, SI

41. 16Apr, PK-CJE, Sriwijaya Air 732, SRG-CGK. Security alert caused by 1
passenger gone missing after a transit stop on the way from Surabaya. Bags
and pax offloaded and rescreened.
ND, G, UI, EOC

42. 25Apr, PK-LIT, Lion Air 734, CGK-MDC. Aircraft RTB due to problems
with cabin pressure.
ND, C, SF, LI

43. 30Apr, UNKN, Adam Air 734, SUB-CGK. Flat tire while taxiing. Aircraft
returned to apron.
LD, G, SF, EOC

44. 02May, UNKN, Lion Air UNKN, UNKN. JT741 was reported to have emitted
smoke from the engine but only engine problem can be confirmed. An airport
official said the smoke came from the APU.
NEI, G, EF, EOC

45. 03May, PK-YVE, Batavia Air A320, TPE-CGK (Ferry). Aircraft RTB to
Taipei after reporting flight control problems. Further information
suspects a Hydraulic problem with the aircraft.
ND, C, SF, SI

46. 04May, UNKN, Garuda Indonesia UNKN, SUB-SIN. GA842 RTB to Surabaya
after pilots heard a noise in the cockpit.
NEI, C, UD, EOC

47. 08May, UNKN, TNI-AU Hawk 100, MES-Patrol-MES. Tireburst at the end of
landing roll at MES. Suspected cause is loose gravel/asphalt bits
puncturing the tires.
LD, L, OE, LI

48. 09May, UNKN, TNI-AU C130, UNKN. A cowling from the engine (unclear if
exhaust or propeller spinner or other part), fell onto a campus in
Jakarta.
LD, C/ER, OE, LI

49. 09May, PK-YTE, Batavia Air 734. PLM-CGK. Aircraft's reverser would not
close after landing.
ND, L/G, SF, LI

50. 12May, UNKN, PT PN II Tanjung Morawa Piper Pawnee, local. Pesticide
spraying aircraft crashed 200m after take off. Sudden Wind change
suspected.
NEI, T, NFA

51. 16May, Unkn, Garuda Indonesia 734, CGK-SUB. Aircraft returned to apron
after noticing problem with the ADI.
ND, G, SF, EOC

52. 19May, PK-GZJ, Garuda Indonesia 734, DPS-JOG. Aircraft diverted to
Surabaya due to high engine oil temperature and was met with emergency
vehicles on arrival. Aircraft departed again after 3 hours.
ND, ER, EF, LI

53. 23May, UNKN, Mandala Air 732, MLG-CGK. Aircraft cancelled flight due
to technical problems.
NEI, G, SF, EOC

54. 25May, PK-AWP, Indonesia Air Asia 733, CGK-MES. Aircraft reported hard
landing and tireburst and was initially determined to be a serious
incident. Subsequent information revealed aircraft was unstable on final
approached and no go-around was attempted. Aircraft grounded for approx 30
days due to repairs and inspections required.
LD/SD, L, PE, SI

55. 25May, Unkn, Garuda Indonesia Unkn. Unkn. A 737 arrived at Jakarta and
after a low fly-by, aircraft landed and blocked taxiway . Possibly due to
landing gear problem.
NEI, RA, UD, EOC

56. 27May, UNKN, Mandala Air 734, JOG-CGK. Aircraft abandoned schedule
after boarding due to technical problems.
ND, G, SF, EOC

57. 01Jun, Unkn, Trigana Air DHC-6, Mulia. Aircraft overrun on take off.
NEI, T, UD (poss UI/PE), NFA/SI

58. 03Jun, PK-CJM, Sriwijaya Air 732, CGK-MLG. Aircraft RTB-ed due to high
oil temp on left engine. Precautionary shut down.
ND, C, EF, SI/LI

59. 06Jun, UNKN, Garuda (Citilink) 733, CGK-BTH. Aircraft suffered loss of
cabin pressure and diverted to Palembang. A deformity in a cargo door
rubber seal was reported to be the cause.
LD, ER, SF, SI

60. 06JUN, UNKN, Batavia Air UNKN, SRG-CGK. 7P 311 reported to have
transponder failure after departure and could not be detected on radar and
was refused to proceed. Aircraft repaired and flew on as 7P316 one hour
later.
ND, C/ER, SF, SI

61. 09JUN, UNKN, Adam Air 734, SUB-CGK. KI195 RTB due to problems with the
Pressure and Air Conditioning System (PACS). Airport stated it received
reports of cabin pressure problems. Aircraft repaired after 4 hrs.
ND, C, SF, SI/LI

62. 18JUN, UNKN, Mandala Air UNKN, CGK-PKU. RI070 RTBed after its delayed
departure due. No other information is available.
ND, C, UD, EOC

63. 19JUN, UNKN, Merpati Air, UNKN, UPG-CGK. Fuel control unit problems
resulted in pax stranded for almost 24hrs. Airline denied claims of
aborted take off and insisted problem was known before pax boarded.
ND, G, EF/SF, EOC

64. 21JUN, PK-YTM, Batavia Air 733, CGK-TJQ. Aircraft stuck on runway for
3 hours. Reported reverser problems, however reports indicate aircraft
suffered HYD A failure and pilot attempted to steer the aircraft despite
loss of nosewheel steering due to the failure.
LD, L, SF, SI

65. 23JUN, UNKN, Sriwijaya Air 732, PGK-CGK. Aircraft aborted take off due
to bird ingestion on right engine at 1700 Local. Aircraft was checked,
released and departed at 2110 local, most pax decided to fly next day.
ND, T, EF/OE, SI

66. 29Jun, PK-LMI, Lion Air MD82, SUB-UNKN. Aircraft suffered multiple
problems on commencing take off. Engine flame out on take off and
hydraulics problem (nosewheel steering reported "disconnected"). Blocked
runway for 30 mins.
LD, T, EF+SF, SI

67. 01Jul, UNKN, Garuda Indonesia 734, CGK-PDG. Aircraft RTB due to cabin
pressure problems shortly after take off. Aircraft repaired after 2 hours
on the ground.
ND, C, SF, LI/EOC

REPORTED AIRCRAFT EVENT CONSIDERED AS NON EVENT
1. 18Jan, PK-RMC, Mandala A320, CGK-BTH, RTA due to administration
requirements.
ND, G, OE, NE

2. 14Mar, UNKN, Indonesia Air Asia 733, UNKN. Aircraft requested priority
due to medical emergency.
ND, ER, UD, NE

3. 01Apr, UNKN, Batavia Air unkn, UPG-KDI. Aircraft tried to land at
Kendari four times in bad weather and remained overnight in Makassar.
ND, AA, WX, NE

4. 16Apr, UNKN, Lion Air UNKN, MES-CGK. Tech problems resulted in pax
protests.
ND, G, SF, NE

5. 22Apr, UNKN, Lion Air UNKN, AMQ-UPG. Aircraft reported suffered engine
problems.
NEI, G, SF, NE/EOC

6. 18JUN, UNKN, Adam Air, UNKN, CGK-MES. Aircraft reported missing at
2000. Aircraft landed at 2030 local after diverted to PEN due to "bad
weather" at MES.
ND, AA, WX, NE

7. 19JUN, UNKN, UNKN, UNKN, UNKN. Helicopter carrying 10 pax landed in
Village Square at Haurkuning, near Garut West Java. Landed to avoid flying
in heavy rains.
ND, ER, WX, NE

8. 27Jun, UNKN, Lion Air 739ER, UPG-AMQ. Aircraft rtb-ed twice due to
weather. Visibility reported 750m only.
ND, AA, WX, NE


AIRPORT ACCIDENT/INCIDENT

1. 06May, Multiple, Multiple, Multiple. Runway at MES cracked reported by
a flight crew. Runway closed for 3.5hrs whilst repairs are made.
U/G/M-O/PP-PC

2. 07May, Multiple, Multiple, Multiple. Runway at MES cracked reported by
a flight crew. Runway closed for 30mins whilst repairs are made.
U/G/M-O/PP-PC

3. Undetermined. SSR failure at MES (Unconfirmed)

4. Undetermined. VOR and NDB failure at MES

5. Undetermined. VOR and NDB failure at PGK after lightning strike.


Definitions Used:

Accident & Serious Incident adopted from UK's AAIB:

Quote:
"Accident" means an occurrence associated with the operation of an
aircraft which might take place between the time any person boards the
aircraft with the intention of flight and such time as all persons have
disembarked, in which:
(a) a person suffers a fatal or serious injury;
(b) the aircraft sustains damage or structural failure which adversely
affects its strength, performance or flight characteristics requiring a
major repair or replacement;
(c) the aircraft is missing or is completely inaccessible.

It does not include engine failure or damage, when the damage is limited
to the engine, its cowling or accessories. Damage limited to propellers,
wing tips, antennae, tyres, brakes, fairings, small dents or punctured
holes in the aircraft skin.

"Serious injury" means an injury which is sustained by a person in a
reportable accident and which:
(a) requires hospitalisation for more than 48 hours commencing within
seven days from the date on which the injury was received; or
(b) results in a fracture of any bone (except simple fractures of fingers,
toes, or nose); or
(c) involves lacerations which cause nerve, muscle or tendon damage or
severe haemorrhage; or
(d) involves injury to any internal organ; or
(e) involves second or third degree burns or any burns affecting more than
five percent of the body surface; or
(f) involves verified exposure to infectious substances or injurious
radiation; and seriously injured shall be construed accordingly.

"Serious Incident" means an incident involving circumstances indicating
that an accident nearly occurred.

The incidents listed below are typical examples of serious incidents. The
list is not exhaustive and only serves as a guide to the definition of
'serious incident'.
- A near collision requiring an avoidance manoeuvre or when an avoiding
manoeuvre would have been appropriate to avoid a collision or an unsafe
situation.
- Controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) only marginally avoided.
- An aborted take-off on a closed or engaged runway, or a take-off from
such a runway with marginal separation from obstacle(s).
- A landing or attempted landing on a closed or engaged runway.
- Gross failure to achieve predicted performance during take-off or
initial climb.
- All fires and smoke in the passenger compartment or in cargo
compartments, or engine fires, even though such fires are extinguished
with extinguishing agents.
- Any events which require the emergency use of oxygen by the flight crew.
- Aircraft structural failure or engine disintegration which is not
classified as an accident.
- Multiple malfunctions of one or more aircraft systems that seriously
affect the operation of the aircraft.
- Any case of flight crew incapacitation in flight.
- Any fuel state which would require the declaration of an emergency by
the pilot.
- Take-off or landing incidents, such as undershooting, overrunning or
running off the sides of runways.
- System failures, weather phenomena, operation outside the approved
flight envelope or other occurrences which could have caused difficulties
controlling the aircraft.
- Failure of more than one system in a redundancy system which is
mandatory for flight guidance and navigation

A light incident is an occurrence other than an accident, or a serious
incident associated with the operation of an aircraft, which affects or
could affect the safety of operations.

An event of concern is an occurence other than an accident or an incident
associated with the operation of an aircraft which affects or could affect
the safety of operations. A noted EOC is used to assess reported trends
within an airline with regards to the upkeep of its operations.
 
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:13 pm

Errr guys, the Part 2 thread was consigned to a 'last post' at 2002... it's still there...
Here's the link... Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2 (by Mandala499 Jun 4 2007 in Civil Aviation)

I'm redoing that list due to some further info... so will post Part 3 or put it here?

If a thread on Indonesian airlines is an airplane, and are parts of a series of aircraft registrations... then number two would be PK-**B... having a B at the end of an aircraft registration is considered bad luck... hence no new registrations with **B... (GIB & GSB are the only ones I remember)... and Indo Av thread #2 suffered a crash! LOL

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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:58 am

Mandala,
I think we might as well go on from here. I was going on the info above from ANCFLyer that
he could not find part 2 in the database anymore, BTW, thank you for the detailed information
on the incidents. What is funny if you look back on it, how few Adams Air incidents there were listed.
Your lists in the past were quite extensive on that. Have you been censored by ADams Air management??
LOL.
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 5):
Have you been censored by ADams Air management??

If they did, I'd be damn rich or dead by now...

The reasons for low numbers of Adam Air incidents reported are...
1. Adam Air now cancels flights when there's a problem... regardless of how unimportant the problem... they're on a zero Hold Items List policy...

2. A lot of the inside sources at Adam have moved on to other companies...

3. The media hush up is still in place... so much so that even a divert is hushed even though it caused a panic of relatives thinking that another KI jet has gone down somewhere beneath the waves...

----
While this does great things for the safety end, they pick this extreme policy because they can actually make money out of it... Schedule 10 flights for say, CGK-PLM for a any given date... then rebook all the pax within the last 24hrs to 1 flight... this will make it full... hey, they even use maintenance for a reason to "look good that they care"... the problem is, the pax must either accept the reschedule or get a refund (and by then all the flights are at max fares), which can range anywhere from 7 days to 3 months... and get charged 50,000 IDR admin fee for handling the refund if you're on a low fare ticket class... The full economy and upper mid fares get immediate (as in <7 days) and no fees for the refund...

Another dirty trick by Adam is that when they reschedule or cancel the flight, they don't call the pax, they call the travel agent... this is so the travel agents get the blame and not Adam... sneaky move... but it won't work... My travel agency now charges passengers 50k IDR for just handling a refund for KI that was sold through them, as well as passing the 50k IDR admin to the pax... this is to discourage pax from taking the cheapest of the cheapest fares on flights which are known to be the regular cancelled flights with KI.

Now the craziest scheme by Adam is to fax the large agents stating that they are guaranteeing the scheduled flights will fly if they are sold... However, on those "guaranteed flights", cancellations are announced "in the interest of safety"...

So, Adam hasn't changed, safety, albeit adhered to, is still an abused word...

I hear a lot of unconfirmed reports of other incidents but my sources in the company have since moved onto better pastures, where lower stress and longer life expectancy for both pax and staff are the order of the day! Since the GA200 crash focus has moved elsewhere... but will look into KI's "unwritten" safety record of 2007... I hope it's better.

I want to find out if they have allowed F/Os to take off and land the planes (which they were banned from doing after the Surabaya belly-flop)...

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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:57 am

Just as a leopard may try to change its spots, it doesnt change whats underneath. The same holds true
for Adams Air. If anyone in the Indonesia Gov't wanted to show they had some b***s, they would
close them down and tell the EU they are being proactive, but we know that isn't going to happen.
I wonder if there will be a spate of Hard landings on Batavia and Mandala once they get their A320's
up and running. The Fly-by-wire landing system is tricky to get ahold of at first.
Please keep up the good reports.
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:02 am

The 319s/320s are OK through the monsoon (when most flops and overruns happen over here)...
I am told they were given special attention on the landing phases on their training...

With the case of Batavia and Mandala, I'm not worried about the landings, I'm more worried about those planes falling out of the sky... Mandala's ex Eirjet buses have poor reliability, delays and cancellations due to tech issues... Mandala's sending those planes on longer sectors now. As for Batavia, those factory fresh A319s are already beginning to show its age... and one of the used the 320 HYD went nuts on the delivery flight!!!

As for the 320s doing the flops and landing mishaps, let's wait until the current seniority 737 pool for upgrading to the 320 runs out... then we might have 320s and 737s doing the weekly overrun!

Nothing is heard on the Adam's A320s over here, but they surely are making a nice amount on those phantom flights refund (which you have to collect in cash to an Adam Air office... stingy b******s) admin charge! (1 agent sold 10 KI tikets last month to a particular city, and 8 of them were cancelled! That's a "free IDR 500k...)

IN THE NEWS SINCE THE WEEKEND:
The DGAC has stated the government will not retaliate as a result of the EU ban but will continue to work on socializing the safety improvements and campaigns in place, such as making FOQA and Approach+Landing Accident Reduction programs mandatory. Government has said they'll welcome assistance into improving safety.

Indonesia has also made a declaration at an ICAO meeting that safety improvements are needed. However, the DGAC also cited its disappointment on the lack of dialogue by the EU prior to the ban.

The Association of Indonesian Travel Agency has asked the country's president for help due to and as a result of the EU ban, claiming the travel agencies are set to loose 400m USD this year as a result of the ban. However a slip of the tongue said that "already this year agencies are loosing money". A further slip of the tongue occured when they said the agencies will loose money on European travel due to the EU ban... despite the fact that they hardly sell any GA codeshare tickets to Europe... The association also asked the department of culture and tourism to act in reaction to the ban (with what God knows!)...

Parliament has urged the government, airlines and non government agencies not to act in retaliation to the EU ban despite everyone being disappointed in the EU's "unilateral decision". Parliament said the country should see this (and the FAA Cat2 announcement) as a wake up call and that the many accidents over the past 12 months means we should get our acts together with or without the EU ban...

The call for the transportation sector to get its act together has been impressive, many of us were expecting the standard retaliatory rhetoric to spew out of the DGAC, government, parliament and the airlines. All parties have said publicly that a more persuasive and informative approach with the EU and FAA is the way forward.

I do wonder though, how long this kind of attitude will last... *evil grin of disappointment*

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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:06 am

Mandala,

Your list is getting played out on Pprune now as well. I venture it wont be long before some journo
starts quoting it as how dangerous Indonesia is.
Also mentioned is that Insurers are telling travel agents in Europe they will not cover any trip made
by European citizens on Indonesian aircraft whats so ever. They have to sign a waiver stating they
will not fly in an Indonesian aircraft and if they do, they have no insurance coverage.
This was also to have been reported in the Singapore Times, but I cant get the link.
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Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:58 am

The pax are covered by the airline at at least USD20k on death as a result of an air accident anyways... and the airlines are "socially obliged" to cover all medical expenses as a result of an accident. There is a pax disability coverage too...

If the insurers refuse to cover EU citizens on non-air accident claims (lost baggage excepted) then I think it is unfair.

Mr. X gets murdered in a hotel room in (insert Indonesian city) but will not get insurance because he got there on an Indonesian airline?

I hope it doesn't get that far!

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Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:47 am

And we got another incident yesterday... *the list goes on and on*...
Lion Air MD90 PK-LIK... nosegear went off the paved surface while trying to make the 180 turn take off after backtracking...

http://www.liputan6.com/view/7,144176,1,0,1183771843.html
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:05 pm

news:
Despite previously announcing in newspapers a few weeks ago that they will commence operations today (7/7/7), Lorena Air still has no planes today. Unconfirmed reports indicate that today they opened the airline's operations office instead.

1 Aircraft new to the Indonesia registry made it today however, PK-CJC, 1st 733 for Sriwijaya... Though we're still seeking visual confirmation. Aircraft should be doing evacuation demos this weekend and go into repainting next week.

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Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:26 am

Here's PK-CJC... still in FlyMe Colours...
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:01 am

Recent developments noted:
B737-400 for Adam Air that was in Brazil has been noted delivered to another airline.
Is Adam Air now deferring aircraft deliveries??

Member GffGold mentioned in another thread that Saudi Arabia is getting ready to ban all Indonesian
Airlines as well. This will have huge implications. Does this extend to the HAJJ as well??
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:51 pm

Adam Air is still on they're old game...
Improvements have been mentioned, they're not as bad as before, although violations still happen.
Just last week, a passenger reported he had to sit on the f/a jumpseat because they allowed too many to board... went on one of the newspapers here... but one of the station managers said "it's impossible that can happen... and there's no evidence." Perhaps a photo or even a video evidence next time this happens should shut them up.

2 weeks ago, I've also had a pax wanting to go to DPS being shunted onto another flight (with a schedule that the pax cannot accept, so he opted for the refund), with an explanation that the flight will be a no-op. Strangely, a call to Adam Air in another town revealed that the aircraft was still on the schedule. I sent a guy to the local Adam Air office, to play out a complaining act in their office, within 5 minutes the office manager called him in and said Adam Air apologised for causing a mess etc etc etc to which my staff asked him directly, "Just tell me that you decided to shunt the pax because there's a group wanting that flight and are willing to pay full economy each!" The manager said... "errr, unfortunately sir, that is the reason. Sorry." He offered a consolation deal for our office and the pax (let's just say a very quick refund process with no admin charges) as a result. Sold 5 Adam Air pax that day to various cities, 3 of them were called that the flight was "no-op". If the pax decides to refund, there'll be a $5 admin fee from the airline. Nice way for an airline to print money, display more flights than they can fly/sell, and then resched the pax and print $5 for everytime the pax opted for the refund! LOL....

Saudi Arabia is getting ready to impose a similar ban. While I support whatever moves another country makes, in the interest of safety, I guess Saudi Arabia should look on how to fix certain parts of their aviation industry first... The EU move is a serious but symbolic move, with no direct effect on the Indonesian airlines, but more on the credibility of our regulators, this Saudi Arabian ban would be a nice slap affecting our industry directly, as Garuda flies to Saudi Arabia. If this has an effect on our Hajj ops, then perhaps there'll be calls for the likes of Kabo Air and Air Atlanta Icelandic being thrown out of Hajj ops... We've banned the latter from flying GA Hajj ops due to them operating dismally 2 hajj seasons ago, resulting in all but a religious riot in a province in Indonesia.

In other news...
Adam Air a few days ago RTB'ed, pax reported a bang and vibrations... *yikes*

Batavia's cadetship program is undergoing the selection process. There is an ongoing discussion in the local forums on the fairness of the 15yr and 150,000 USD (flat, non reduceable) bond and cadets being liable for additional "disloyalty" compensation should they leave the company early. The cadets are offered captaincy after they've gained enough experience and also passed their 28th birthday. They'd be flying their 737 classics.

The funny thing is, by the end of 16.5 yrs, if the government does impose the 30yr limit for airliners, Batavia will be down to two 737 classics by that time, and a move to the A320 will result in about another 5 yr bond period... Looks like it's gonna be a tight squeeze for them to finish their bonds on the 737 classics!

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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 15):
Sold 5 Adam Air pax that day to various cities, 3 of them were called that the flight was "no-op". If the pax decides to refund, there'll be a $5 admin fee from the airline. Nice way for an airline to print money, display more flights than they can fly/sell, and then resched the pax and print $5 for everytime the pax opted for the refund!

Since Mandala, second time in a row, cancelled my flight next Saturday, I ended up on Adam's 737-500. I sure hope it won't be a "no-op" since I have a connection to make. Also on their 737-200 next week, should be interesting. Big grin
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:12 am

Well, the KI's no-op pattern is more or less predictable... as it is mainly a "lack of sales" issue... for Mandala, it's a maintenance delay issue... or delays due to weather... their aircraft rotations are pretty stretched for the -200s if I remember correctly.

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Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 17):
for Mandala, it's a maintenance delay issue...

Airfleets lists only 4 active 737-200s left for Mandala, is that correct?

I don't know much about their ops, but at least one must be at SUB doing the Batam run, so indeed that doesn't leave too many for CGK at all.

I have indeed tried to avoid the cheapest KI flights, but not much choice for Saturday when all their CGK-DPS flights were showing Rp 299,000++ online!
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Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:30 am

LH747,

KI to DPS rarely gets a no-op on weekends... it's how KI makes their dough... The problem is, when the 3 lowest available subclass all shows a (o) avail or (8) avail... that'll be fishy. Happens a lot on CGK-JOG/SRG/PLM... One my the guys at work knows it off by heart!

SJ to DPS this saturday is at 448k IDR  Sad

So, I'm sure you're wondering... what's going on at Mandala...
it seems their ops are shrinking by the day...

AMQ is closed, UPG is closed, MLG is down to one a day, there's no dedicated CGK-SUB.... this is according to the Mandala booking website:

A320-1
CGK-MES-CGK-BTH-CGK-PDG-MES-R
A320-2
MES-PDG-CGK-MES-CGK-DPS-CGK-R

734-1
PKU-CGK-JOG-BPN-JOG-BDJ-JOG-CGK-PKU-R

734-2
UNKN

732-1
DPS-SUB-BTH-PDG-BTH-DJB-BTH-SUB-DPS-R

732-2
CGK-BPN-TRK-BPN-SUB-CGK-SRG-CGK-R???

732-3
MLG-CGK0825 1500CGK-MLG

732-4
UNKN

-R = Remain overnight,

We don't know where the second 734 is scheduled, or the 4th 732. The 3rd 732 is only doing 2 cycles according to the schedule.

This schedule is current from today and checked even until 10th August. Looks like the 4th 732 is gone, and the 2nd 734 too.

With their aircraft schedule like this, it would appear that the whole airline is depending on the two A320s doing the big routes, while the sole 734 on the schedule seems to be doing well in terms of their loads in and out of JOG. The 732 based in DPS/BTH is way overstretched.

Hearing about the stories on the 732, I guess they got to keep 1 732 as a spare, while one is always in maintenance. The question remains... Where's the other 734? They're all probably clapped out after the recent school holidays, where a full economy fare suddenly appear cheap on whatever airline there is (except Adam and Mandala seems to be the only ones still offering below full fare... that's on their fare classes too, which is cheap btw).

Unless they try and redo their network again, or unless those factory new buses come quickly, it's gonna hard for Mandala to stay afloat!

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Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:09 pm

Thanks for the info Mandala499!

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 19):
732-2
CGK-BPN-TRK-BPN-SUB-CGK-SRG-CGK-R???

Last time they cancelled the SUB-CGK of this rotation. The morning RI 592 to DPS seems completely gone, not just my flight next Sat.

The airline seems to be in real poor shape.
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:35 pm

Well, it seems like an overstretched & risky network. The dispatch reliability of the A320s have been "iffy" earlier this year, but perhaps now it's much better, but the 320 ops is relatively stable, given their simple rotations and this aircraft is no more than 1 cycle away from CGK during the day and MES on the nearing/coming out of the RON sectors.

Their 734 rotation PKU-PKU is a nightmare... although line maintenance isn't much of an issue there, but the JOG-BDJ-JOG is the highest risk segment of this rotation. It does this in late afternoon, where on time reliability is highest at risk, and backlogs on from earlier in the day if something happened (systemwide, not aircraft specific) require damn hard work if they do not want to run into duty limit issues etc.

Their DPS-BTH 732 rotation? Total nightmare. Crew would start in BTH for 1050 departure I think, but a simple delay or RTB on any of the DJB and PDG runs would mean a long delay if parts are required, and if 1 thing goes wrong that day, it's normal that the crew only finishes at 0100 in Bali... after at least 6 legs...

Their CGK-TRK-SRG run is a classic pattern by Mandala, and this one seems to be the least risky rotation of all. The Malang run, well, goes to show something's not right.

I knew Mandala's been stretched lately, but looking at this last night makes me wonder, have they stretched themselves too far this time round...

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Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:44 pm

Garuda cancels all codeshare operations with MH

Garuda Indonesia is to cancel all code share flights with MH effective October 28, the start of the northern winter schedule. The codeshare agreement covers the joint Indonesia to Malaysia routes as well as the codeshare services beyond the airlines' individual hubs, such as the KUL-LHR/CDG/ZRH/FRA services and the DPS-DRW service, which carry GA and MH codes respectively.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:48 pm

Garuda announces details of new Palangkaraya service

As mentioned earlier, Garuda will start daily operations to Palangkaraya on Kalimantan Island from Friday, August 17. The details of the service are as follows:

GA550 CGK PKY 1155 1430 daily B733
GA551 PKY CGK 1505 1540 daily B733
 
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:09 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 22):
Garuda cancels all codeshare operations with MH

Reason being? Does it has anything to do with the recent ban on all Indonesian flights into the EU?
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:00 pm

Lorena announces a new launch date YET AGAIN and has signed up MH for maintenance.
New date: September
Claimed fleet: 6 aircraft
Claims that plans for codesharing with MH is on the cards.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 24):
Reason being? Does it has anything to do with the recent ban on all Indonesian flights into the EU?

I think the codeshare was a dead duck for GA because it is unable to capitalize on it. They'll probably use the EU ban as an excuse...

But then, the whole purpose of having the codeshare is to maintain a presence in Europe, if the Europeans ban GA, what's the point on keeping the codeshares?  Sad

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Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:37 pm

Yesterday's copy of Pontianak Post revealed that GA will resume PNK on 13 August 2007 using B733. Earlier, GA suspended PNK in the first quarter of 2006 due to unprofitability.
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:10 am

I'm looking for Sriwijaya Air info. How reliable is this airline, and its route from SUB - SRG ? Is delays pretty common for that particular route? I have only few days to spare in my upcoming trip to Indonesia, and don't really want to spend too much time at the airport due to delays.

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Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:36 am

Quoting Mul (Reply 27):
How reliable is this airline, and its route from SUB - SRG ? Is delays pretty common for that particular route

Not likely to be delayed especially since it's in the morning. Only been delayed once on SJ.
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Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 28):
Quoting Mul (Reply 27):
How reliable is this airline, and its route from SUB - SRG ? Is delays pretty common for that particular route

Not likely to be delayed especially since it's in the morning. Only been delayed once on SJ.

Do you have any info on Sriwijaya Air's safety record?
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:40 pm

Mul,
Sriwijaya? Zero Accident! Probably the only mainline domestic carrier in Indonesia that has that record ! And add Lowest Serious Incident rate per flight in the country to the airline.

On the reservations, Sriwijaya will also open Surabaya-Bandung (0730 - 0830 and then back to SUB 0905 - 1005)... starting 2nd August on the reservations, but will commence the flights from 28th... but the prices haven't been published yet! Much to the dismay of travel agents...

SUB-SRG is in the morning, so the chances of a delay is minimal.

One thing consistent on Sriwijaya policy on delays is that: They won't say a thing other than the check in desk if there's a delay until they can get a confirmation of a replacement aircraft to arrive at a certain time or weather delay has been cleared and a new ETA is made... and they're normally spot on on the revised ETA.

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Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 30):
Mul,
Sriwijaya? Zero Accident! Probably the only mainline domestic carrier in Indonesia that has that record ! And add Lowest Serious Incident rate per flight in the country to the airline.

On the reservations, Sriwijaya will also open Surabaya-Bandung (0730 - 0830 and then back to SUB 0905 - 1005)... starting 2nd August on the reservations, but will commence the flights from 28th... but the prices haven't been published yet! Much to the dismay of travel agents...

SUB-SRG is in the morning, so the chances of a delay is minimal

Mandala,

Thanks for the info. It's quite assuring to know that info.
Good to know they opened up another route to Bandung, since not many airlines are flying into that city. I'll be traveling from SUB - SRG drive to JOG - CGK, drive to BDO. It would have been nice to be able to skip CGK, and fly directly from JOG - BDO.
 
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Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:02 pm

Sriwijaya is the only LCC I will let my family fly on in INDO. Not the newest aircraft, but I have met them, and they appear to have the right attitude about safety. I.e. that it isn't a cost/ benefit analysis, but that killing people in an accident is just not something they want ever to do. Sure, accidents can happen to the best run airline, but if the people at the top just have the attitude "we don't ever want to hurt people, safety is number 1" it really makes a difference.
 
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Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:02 am

Update:
Lion Air got a bomb threat today for one of its flight from Manado. Aircraft was delayed for about 3 hours as a result. Targeted aircraft is possibly the 737-900ER.

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Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:24 am

RI340 CGK-SUB gonna be 734 of RI?

I don't need 3rd canx in a row, Adam's Angels are cute anyway. Big grin
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:25 pm

Today's copy of Pontianak Post revealed that Indonesia AirAsia will start serving PNK soon (most likely CGK-PNK). Booking can be made now at PT Delta City Tour & Travel Pontianak. No futher details such as date, aircraft used (most likely B733) or even the intended route being announced. Great news for Pontianak after GA announced to return earlier. Soon, there will be 6 carriers offering flights to CGK from PNK; Batavia, Sriwijaya, Adam, Lion, Garuda and Indonesia AirAsia.
 
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:36 pm

Just flown MLG-DPS on IAT's new 3 weekly service (Fri/Sat/Sun). It was a pretty good flight with some potentially fantastic views of Bromo and Ijen. The cloud cover prevented really good views, but I guess on a good day it would be worthwhile as a tourist flight.

Interesting story, my friend booked the same flight for the day after me. On Thursday the agent phoned and told her Saturday's flight had been canceled. Just so happened that when I went to the airport on Fri to take my flight a friend who was taking me to the airport bumped into his friend who works for IAT. I asked why the flight had been canceled. It hadn't! He said Sat's flight was full. I guess another case of trying to bump passengers onto less full flight to generate more rev. In then end my friend canceled and went via SUB instead.

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Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:43 pm

Saudia Arabia clears Garuda, no ban into KSA. I bet that is a big relief to the GA HDQ.

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Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:32 am

Lion's 5th 900ER PK-LFJ is currently enroute for anyone interested!

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Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:39 am

http://aviation-safety.net/news/newsitem.php?id=1878

What's this all about? Sounds chaotic.
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:56 am

Mandala, HB-IWC,,
Where have you guys gone? No more updates coming your way anymore?
As mentioned by EFHK, Adam Air now think they dont have to wait in line for take off.
What is going with their safety lately? Are they still taking delivery of new aircraft or has that stopped?
Has Batavia taken delivery on anymore Airbus? What about the lifting of the ban on Garuda flying to
Saudi, no comments from you two?
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:24 am

Garuda A333 fleet now at 5 frames

Garuda's stretched A333 fleet has been increased from 4 to 5 frames, as PK-GPD has once again joined the active fleet, after a 6 month absence. PK-GPC remains inoperational, and it remains uncertain whether she will ever return to the GA fleet.
 
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 41):
PK-GPC remains inoperational

On JP.net is a picture of PK-GPC (date: June 20, 2007) from Osaka... so it must be also back in service.
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:45 pm

How are they using PK-GPD? I also note that CKG-PER now arrive at 05:10 hours rather than 02:30 and similarly PER-CKG depart at around 16:00 instead of 17:00 hours. Anyone know the reason for this?
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 42):
On JP.net is a picture of PK-GPC (date: June 20, 2007) from Osaka... so it must be also back in service.

That must definitely be wrong then. PK-GPC is not back in service.
 
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:55 pm

GARUDAROD,
Sorry, been busy... LOL...

1. Adam Air runway incursion mishap in SUB seems to be pilot error where he basically got lost! *yeaps! Unbelievable?* Instead of stopping and asking for assistance, he went onto the runway... much to the horror of the Batavia jet about to commence the take off roll.

2. Lion Air opened CGK-Pangkalpinang 1x daily. Using 733. The 5 NGs are providing nice relief to the capacity, with the eastern routes now dominated by the MD90s (Gorontalo, Kendari, Ambon, Biak, Jayapura)... and the 734s do more western routes, and the 739s doing the >2hr routes mostly. Crew from the 739ER have stated the loads on the aircraft has been excellent (rarely <200 seats filled)... and that the crew ops standard have been rising as per demand by Boeing.

3. EU ban is still raising controversi from time to time. The cancelled ban by the Korean and Saudi authorities thanks to the now prompt reply by the DGAC have led some to say that there is an EU conspiracy. This is despite the fact and public statements from the Dept. of Communications, the Parliament and DGAC saying that they regretted the slow response to the EU resulting in the ban becoming effective.

4. EU ban controversy have resulted in debates on whether we should buy airbus or not! LOL ! Unbelievable! But anyways, the current rumour is that Garuda will switch its short haul fleet to A320 family aircraft and the 744s replaced by A343s... Despite registration classes for A320 having been opened in GA Training, there's still no other information that this is nothing more than a rumour spinning out of control (HB-IWC, U heard anything on this?)... GA is still paying off the 330s, deferring the 777/787 decision, and even the -800s are deferred...

5. Lorena's starting date is still elusive. Still no planes for this airline, despite the revision of commencement date to September. Recent 733 deliveries into Indonesia have been mistakenly identified as destined for Lorena, but the aircraft went to Merpati instead.

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Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:51 pm

And I thought I'd stir the pot a bit more.

1. Adam Air and GA near miss.

26th August over Jakarta, it was reported to the NTSC that KI237 and GA156 had a separation breakdown around FL100. According to reports, KI237 was cleared to descend from FL200 to 8000ft. This was revised by ATC at FL160 where the descent clearance was revised to 10,000.

GA156 was flying at 9000ft to 10,000ft when KI237 went through 12,000ft. At 11,500ft, KI 237 gained attitude to create more separation.

It is unclear whether the GA156 followed/disobeyed ATC instructions.

2. Adam Air and Lion Air near miss.

25th August, also in Jakarta, it was reported that an Adam Air jet came close in front of a Lion Air jet on landing.

Adam was landing on 07L and Lion on 07R. Upon interception, Adam went to intercept 07R 1NM in front of the Lion. ATC requested Adam Air's position who confirmed it was on 07R. ATC then vectored Adam Air bac to 07L.

According to reports, the airport, and both airlines have yet to confirm the occurence.

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Is this Adam's new habit? Attempting separation breakdowns?

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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:38 pm

BBC News stating that the Black Box of Adam Air has been recovered.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6966243.stm

Hope the relatives get some answers soon.
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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:14 pm

Merpati's MA60 is scheduled to arrive today. Landed 1100 local time at Medan... will fly to Halim and Surabaya to complete the delivery.

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RE: Indonesian Aviation Redeux

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 48):
Merpati's MA60 is scheduled to arrive today.

Please share pictures if you have some. Did you know the registration and perhaps the MSN of this plan. Merpati is the 3rd foreign airline (after Air Zimbabwe and Lao Airlines) which operate the MA-60 on passenger flights.

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