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BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:49 pm

From a Chief Pilot at work (BA)

"We are actively sourcing 8 or 9 US registered 757s for the EU services. Crews and a/c will be based n JFK.

What do you think?

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Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:51 pm

Hmmm, Why wouldn;t BA use their own 757's for these services and then replace them with the A320/A321's as they come online.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:53 pm

Dont think G reg planes can be based in the US.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:10 pm

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 2):
Dont think G reg planes can be based in the US

Of course they can! BA cannot operate N registered aircraft, without special dispensation from EASA/CAA, which would be difficcult to get and even more so to keep on an ongoing basis. To operate N registered aircraft they nedd an FAA/USDOT airline licience, and immediately run into foregin ownership restrictions. If there is problems with the aircraft being "based" in the US they just have to rotate them. That would seem a lot eaiser than the hoops they'ed have to jump thru to operate N registered aircraft on their UK/EASA operators certificate.

Unless some other operator is going to operate them on behalf of BA?

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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
Of course they can! BA cannot operate N registered aircraft, without special dispensation from EASA/CAA, which would be difficcult to get and even more so to keep on an ongoing basis. To operate N registered aircraft they nedd an FAA/USDOT airline licience, and immediately run into foregin ownership restrictions. If

Not only that, but in order to register an aircarft with an N-number, there are certain limitations on who may register the aircraft not associated with the Certificate of Public Convenience and Necesisty:

"An aircraft is eligible for U.S. Registration if it is not registered in another country and it is owned by:
a U.S. citizen as defined in 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 47.2.
a Resident Alien (foreign individual lawfully admitted for permanent U.S. residence
a U.S. governmental unit or subdivision
a non-citizen corporation lawfully organized and doing business under the laws of the U.S. or one of the States as long as the aircraft is based and primarily used in the U.S. (60% of all flight hours must be from flights starting and ending within the U.S.) "

(http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/register_aircraft/)

As I understand it, unless BA forms a subsidiary that meets the requirements of #1, then #4 would be the only way (absent a waiver from the FAA) for BA to register a N-numbered aircraft and that could only be done if that aricraft was used at least 60% of the time for domestic flights (flights srarting and ending within the U.S.)

Something seems a little strange to me...

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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
Dont think G reg planes can be based in the US.

Didn't IB have a small fleet based in MIA for their Central American services? AFAIK, those were just "normal" IB planes. I think AF also has some A320s based there for Caribbean services.
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:23 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
To operate N registered aircraft they nedd an FAA/USDOT airline licience, and immediately run into foreign ownership restrictions

are you sure ? SQ used to have some N registered a/c in their fleet without any problems



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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:23 pm

Also, what is the point of open skies if they can;t operate their 757's with UK registrations?
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:30 pm

Thats good to know about aircraft registration issues. Wonder why BA might be considering this then? If in fact they are. Its only a rumour after all!
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:36 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):To operate N registered aircraft they nedd an FAA/USDOT airline licience, and immediately run into foreign ownership restrictions
are you sure ? SQ used to have some N registered a/c in their fleet without any problems

How do you know there are no problems? If you had qouted the rest of the paragraph of my reply, this statement was rether than trying to get CAA/EASA approval to operate an N registered aircraft.

In SQ's case they would need the approval of the SIN CAA. Presumabley they have it. Who knows what hoops they had to jump thru to get it.

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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:45 pm

Besides all the issues of having N-registered aircraft, isn't this because US crews (with US papers) cannot operate G-registered aircraft? (FAA vs. JAA)
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:54 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
AFAIK, those were just "normal" IB planes. I think AF also has some A320s based there for Caribbean service

These are based in the French Overseas Departments

Looks like BA is using a US based corporation to operate these flights. Crew and other costs might be cheaper, especially at the current x rate and if the plan does not work out, they can close it much easier than they could close an own operation.

Something similar to what LH and KL do with their Privatair flights, and these a/c ab Swiss registered. .
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
Of course they can! BA cannot operate N registered aircraft, without special dispensation from EASA/CAA, which would be difficcult to get and even more so to keep on an ongoing basis. To operate N registered aircraft they nedd an FAA/USDOT airline licience, and immediately run into foregin ownership restrictions.

Is this true for leased aircraft? Airlines like Aeromexico, Mexicana and TACA operate a lot of US registered planes. Here's N484TA:
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:29 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
SQ used to have some N registered a/c in their fleet without any problems

As did Air France, KLM, UTA, China Airlines, Swissair amongst others. Presumably aircraft leased from American owners, hence registered in the US.


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Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
Why wouldn;t BA use their own 757's for these services and then replace them with the A320/A321's as they come online.

BA757s are reduced MTOW versions (if I'm not mistaken) with a shorter range and thus unable to fly across the pond. This was done to save operation costs and airport charges. Basically they would have wanted an A321 except that it wasn't available at the time.
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:42 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 14):
BA757s are reduced MTOW versions

Can they be converted?
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:54 pm

Nothing new here. I'm old enough to remember this pretty bird, flown I believe by BA crews with FAA endorsements on their licenses


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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:25 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 14):
BA757s are reduced MTOW versions (if I'm not mistaken) with a shorter range and thus unable to fly across the pond.

Not true I am afraid. I fly on G-BPEC regularly and this used to fly BHX-JFK and GLA-JFK regularly. It has a different galley and jumpseat layout and liferaft stowages in the ceilings.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 14):
BA757s are reduced MTOW versions (if I'm not mistaken) with a shorter range and thus unable to fly across the pond.

BA B757 have MTOW of 99700kg. But as far as I am aware this is an artificial limit to keep landing fees down.
One of the current BA B757s (G-BPEC) used to operate across the Atlantic, and still has long haul galleys and economy seats fitted.
BA regularly imposes artificial MTOW on it's aircraft. The MTOW on the A319 has gone up and down in the last year. It went up when fuel tankering was required into LHR, and then down when this was no longer required.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:32 pm

Hello TristarSteve,

Glad to see we are singing from the same songsheet! See my post above yours!

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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 14):
BA757s are reduced MTOW versions (if I'm not mistaken) with a shorter range and thus unable to fly across the pond. This was done to save operation costs and airport charges. Basically they would have wanted an A321 except that it wasn't available at the time.

BA used to fly the 757 over the pond back in the mid-90s so unless this was just using a small subfleet which they have subsequently retired then they shouldn't have any problems in this regard.
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 18):
and still has long haul galleys and economy seats fitted.

On second thoughts the seats were replaced last month with the new Stripe seats, same as in the A319s. This has increased the B757 capacity by one row to 186 seats.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
To operate N registered aircraft they nedd an FAA/USDOT airline licience, and immediately run into foregin ownership restrictions.

NOT true. BA might not be allowed to OWN them, but they most certainly can LEASE them. Just look at how many Caribbean carriers operate N numbers.
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 14):
thus unable to fly across the pond

Enough people have already told you, but, I'm going to chime in too! You're wrong - BA has served a few cities in the US with 757's and was one of the first operators of the 757 across the Atlantic.
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting RandyWaldron (Reply 23):
Enough people have already told you, but, I'm going to chime in too! You're wrong - BA has served a few cities in the US with 757's and was one of the first operators of the 757 across the Atlantic.

Fair enough. So then how do they get away with "reducing" the MTOW when physically the MTOW doesn't change at all?
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 24):
So then how do they get away with "reducing" the MTOW when physically the MTOW doesn't change at all?

Because that's paper at work  Wink. You reduce the MTOW on paper, that way you cannot legaly carry anything more (but physically you can), but you get certain perks for that, such as lower landing fees. If you don't use the extra MTOW the airframe provides, why pay for it on every landing?
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
Hmmm, Why wouldn;t BA use their own 757's for these services and then replace them with the A320/A321's as they come online.

The A320 and A321 would need to land on an aircraft carrier about three quarters of way between the US and the EU to re-fuel.
I don't think the BA pilots are carrier qualified.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:39 pm

Quick question. Why cant an airliner be de-registered and then re-registered for its "owners" country?
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 27):
The A320 and A321 would need to land on an aircraft carrier about three quarters of way between the US and the EU to re-fuel.
I don't think the BA pilots are carrier qualified.

I'm pretty darn sure what he meant was having the 320s and 321s replace the 757s on current 757 routes when the Boeings were shifted to TATL in the scenario.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:47 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 27):
The A320 and A321 would need to land on an aircraft carrier about three quarters of way between the US and the EU to re-fuel.
I don't think the BA pilots are carrier qualified.

He/she means replace the void left on short haul routes with the A32S when the 757s are shifted to longer hops. Not fly the Airbi to the US.
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:48 pm

Sounds like BA's USA-EU services will be a separate sub of BA, not BA itself. I wonder where they plan on flying?? IT cant be thin routes cuz they have to feed at either end unless they codeshare with AA. But if they fly more busy routes the 757 will have a hard time competing with foreign flags like AF, LH etc.
 
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:57 pm

It will be very interesting to see how the operational control issues of this new venture are worked out.

If they're using American planes with US-based crews, they should be subject to FAR Part 121, which means having licensed dispatchers that can exercise operational control.

Any other arrangement will send a message that US airlines need only to open a small office in another country to be quickly relieved of any requirement to have an extra crewmember on the ground (i.e. dispatcher) that can make binding operational decisions.
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Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:02 am

This is just a thought so don't come down on me like a ton of bricks!

Why would BA want 757's to operate EU-US when they have a comprehensive schedule as it is through LHR/LGW? Could the 757's be for the talked-about all business class service like EOS / Silverjet / Maxjet etc?

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Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:32 am

BA 757'S don't have reduced MTOW as they are all 757-236ER model aircrafts with RR E4 engines (although I don't believe all of them have these) which increae performance, and so are designed to fly transatlantic as has been mentioned.
IF BA were looking for extra 757's it'd be because BA don't have enough. Before you jump the gun, BA do have 757's, but would want to keep them on the short-haul fleet and recieve newer airframes (if possible), this would mean BA can still have 757's on short-haul and then operate a long-haul fleet, most likely al with E4 engines.

This is just a theory.

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 33):
Why would BA want 757's to operate EU-US when they have a comprehensive schedule as it is through LHR/LGW? Could the 757's be for the talked-about all business class service like EOS / Silverjet / Maxjet etc?

Because this way they can compete with other EU airlines from bases which are popular which would have been much harder to operate from the US to from before. This way, they get nice international traffic and hopefully get new short-haul cumstomers too along with frequent flyers, a whole new market.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 31):
Sounds like BA's USA-EU services will be a separate sub of BA, not BA itself. I wonder where they plan on flying?? IT cant be thin routes cuz they have to feed at either end unless they codeshare with AA. But if they fly more busy routes the 757 will have a hard time competing with foreign flags like AF, LH etc.

I doubt BA would operate a sub-fleet as Willie Walsh wants to consolidate BA into a close knit unti. I also believe that BA would use 757's to operate all business class flights while leaving the 767's to operate from Europe, converting all the currently remianing S/H 767's to L/H.
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
Hmmm, Why wouldn;t BA use their own 757's for these services and then replace them with the A320/A321's as they come online.

Because (and I may be wrong) BA don't have as many Airbuses on order as they have 757's.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 20):
so unless this was just using a small subfleet which they have subsequently retired then they shouldn't have any problems in this regard.

The 757's were sort of a sub-fleet. They were used by BA Regional on:
MAN-GLA-JFK
BHX-JFK (Sometimes via GLA)
BHX-JFK-YYZ
GLA-JFK-YYZ-BOS

They were based at these airports (in the UK) and so were in theory not part of BA mainline operations. Another thing is that only one or so of those aircrafts remain and only a few are E4 engined and so they'd have to convert the remaining to E4 engines.

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Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:37 am

BA 757'S don't have reduced MTOW as they are all 757-236ER model aircrafts with RR E4 engines (although I don't believe all of them have these) which increae performance, and so are designed to fly transatlantic as has been mentioned.
IF BA were looking for extra 757's it'd be because BA don't have enough. Before you jump the gun, BA do have 757's, but would want to keep them on the short-haul fleet and recieve newer airframes (if possible), this would mean BA can still have 757's on short-haul and then operate a long-haul fleet, most likely al with E4 engines.

This is just a theory.

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 33):
Why would BA want 757's to operate EU-US when they have a comprehensive schedule as it is through LHR/LGW? Could the 757's be for the talked-about all business class service like EOS / Silverjet / Maxjet etc?

Because this way they can compete with other EU airlines from bases which are popular which would have been much harder to operate from the US to from before. This way, they get nice international traffic and hopefully get new short-haul cumstomers too along with frequent flyers, a whole new market.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 31):
Sounds like BA's USA-EU services will be a separate sub of BA, not BA itself. I wonder where they plan on flying?? IT cant be thin routes cuz they have to feed at either end unless they codeshare with AA. But if they fly more busy routes the 757 will have a hard time competing with foreign flags like AF, LH etc.

I doubt BA would operate a sub-fleet as Willie Walsh wants to consolidate BA into a close knit unti. I also believe that BA would use 757's to operate all business class flights while leaving the 767's to operate from Europe, converting all the currently remianing S/H 767's to L/H.
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
Hmmm, Why wouldn;t BA use their own 757's for these services and then replace them with the A320/A321's as they come online.

Because (and I may be wrong) BA don't have as many Airbuses on order as they have 757's.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 20):
so unless this was just using a small subfleet which they have subsequently retired then they shouldn't have any problems in this regard.

The 757's were sort of a sub-fleet. They were used by BA Regional on:
MAN-GLA-JFK
BHX-JFK (Sometimes via GLA)
BHX-JFK-YYZ
GLA-JFK-YYZ-BOS

They were based at these airports (in the UK) and so were in theory not part of BA mainline operations. Another thing is that only one or so of those aircrafts remain and only a few are E4 engined and so they'd have to convert the remaining to E4 engines.

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Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 35):
BA 757'S don't have reduced MTOW as they are all 757-236ER model aircrafts with RR E4 engines (although I don't believe all of them have these) which increae performance, and so are designed to fly transatlantic as has been mentioned.

As stated above, they are PHYSICALLY CAPABLE of higher MTOWs, but they are paper-derated in order to save some money.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 35):
and only a few are E4 engined and so they'd have to convert the remaining to E4 engines.

I'm pretty sure that most, if not all remaining 757s have -535E4 engines. The -535C engine looks different, it has a separate nozzle for the bypass airflow. IIRC these older aircraft have been transferred to DHL for freighter conversion.

If somebody is interested in the performance of the different 757 versions, have a look here:

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Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:12 am

AV has a few birds N registered, nto leased, but own by them. This is possible because they're owneb by Avianca Corp, based in NYC, not Avianca SA Bogota.


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Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 36):
I'm pretty sure that most, if not all remaining 757s have -535E4 engines.

Yes all BAs 13 B757 are RB211-E4 engined
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:09 am

Don't confuse a foreign flag carrier owning an aircraft and registering it in the US, (Not permitted ) with any carrier operating a US owned aircraft through an operating lease. Item 1 in the regs quoted by Lincoln clearly would allow an aircraft to be registed in the US regardless of where it operates.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 35):
The 757's were sort of a sub-fleet. They were used by BA Regional on:
MAN-GLA-JFK

And exactly how many times did they offer that route with 757s? MAN was predominantly 767s. The sub-fleet was 3 767s (G-BNWN/BNWO/BNWU) and 1 757 (G-BPEC) but went to 1 767 (G-TECH) and 2 757s (G-BPEC/BPEE)

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 35):
Because (and I may be wrong) BA don't have as many Airbuses on order as they have 757's.

I'm sure they have a shed load of A320 family options in addition to the those already on order,

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 35):
IF BA were looking for extra 757's it'd be because BA don't have enough.

Can someone name the carrier that disposed of a fair number of 757s to DHL?
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:29 am

I wonder how did IB operate its Central American Hub out of MIA? They flew first DC-9's, then MD-87's and then A319's all with Spanish EC- registration and part of Iberia's mainline fleet, but the crews were based in MIA and were US Citizens (at least the F/As). This, as I remember that one of the US based F/A flying MIA-SJO told me a story of how they were mistreated by the Madrid based ones when they traveled on the 743 or A340 on the MIA-MAD flights.
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:52 am

The 757s did quite a few spells at MAN for B.A on the North Atlantic. I used to work on them. G-BPEC and G-BPEE I seem to remember. G-BNWH also spent a long time at MAN when the LAX route was dropped and only one 767 remained at MAN.

Maybe one reason for using the American registered aircraft is a maintenance issue. If they are based at JFK, then the only maintenance required in Europe is a daily and ETOPS check. In fact, the daily could probably be turned into a transit check. This way, you can get by without increasing your manpower at european stations. American registered 757s, JFK, One World, Hmmmm, AA aircraft by any chance ?
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 40):
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 35):
IF BA were looking for extra 757's it'd be because BA don't have enough.

Can someone name the carrier that disposed of a fair number of 757s to DHL?

The B757 that went to DHL were not ETOPS capable.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 40):
And exactly how many times did they offer that route with 757s? MAN was predominantly 767s. The sub-fleet was 3 767s (G-BNWN/BNWO/BNWU) and 1 757 (G-BPEC) but went to 1 767 (G-TECH) and 2 757s (G-BPEC/BPEE)

Well, they did actualy do MAN runs quite a bit.

Quoting David_itl (Reply 40):
I'm sure they have a shed load of A320 family options in addition to the those already on order,

But they would have to wait for the aircrafts to be built, I'm not sure how long the waiting list is for the A320 family is, but I'm sure it must be a year or two at the minimum..

Quoting David_itl (Reply 40):
Can someone name the carrier that disposed of a fair number of 757s to DHL?

That was BA.

Quoting A342 (Reply 36):
I'm pretty sure that most, if not all remaining 757s have -535E4 engines. The -535C engine looks different, it has a separate nozzle for the bypass airflow. IIRC these older aircraft have been transferred to DHL for freighter conversion.

You may well be right, I'm not 100% up to date so my observation was a slight guess.

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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 13):
As did Air France, KLM, UTA, China Airlines, Swissair amongst others.

And then there was Braathens:

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and, of course, this would not be the first time that BA flights or aircraft have carried US registrations. There were the wet leased Presidential and ATA 146s and 727s

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the Braniff leased Concordes and the US Airways 762s

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and the 744F operated by Atlas that is now registered G-GSSA and is operated exclusively for BA by Global Supply Systems:

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Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 31):
But if they fly more busy routes the 757 will have a hard time competing with foreign flags like AF, LH etc.

Would you select AF or LH business class over BA's product if everything else was equal? Could it possibly be the other way round?

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 33):
Could the 757's be for the talked-about all business class service like EOS / Silverjet / Maxjet etc?

Premium class only for, I believe, the JFK-CDG, JFK-FRA, JFK-MXP and, reportedly, JFK-MAD routes

As to whether BA can legally operate a sub-fleet of aircraft based in the USA, operated by American flight and cabin crew and serviced by Amereican engineers, I can only say that the US law is an ass if it forces BA to operate these services (for which approval has already been given) based outside the US using European crews and engineering staff.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:42 am

Willie has personally said he's looking to use 757 and/or 767 aircraft from the existing fleet, though of course nothing is impossible...
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):

No idea how many they've got left but AFAIK they are phasing out non ETOPS (i think all or nearly all of them??) 752s to DHL.

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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:13 am

When the 757's used to do longhaul what was the onboard product, particularly in the premium cabin? Club Europe?

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 46):
No idea how many they've got left but AFAIK they are phasing out non ETOPS (i think all or nearly all of them??) 752s to DHL.

They are all gone now and have been for some time. The remaining 13 757's in the fleet are staying and Willie Walsh has made it clear he wishes to further utilise these aircraft for the forseable future.
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 26):
The A320 and A321 would need to land on an aircraft carrier about three quarters of way between the US and the EU to re-fuel.
I don't think the BA pilots are carrier qualified.



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 29):
He/she means replace the void left on short haul routes with the A32S when the 757s are shifted to longer hops. Not fly the Airbi to the US.

Exactly. The A321's would replace the 757's on EU routes, thus freeing up the 757'a to operate Trans Atlantic again.
 
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RE: BA Looking For "N" Registered 757s For EU-US

Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:30 am

BA did something similar back in the 1990's using 767s when they had a partnership with US Air. They (US) crewed the flights but they were painted in BA's Landor livery.


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