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Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:45 am

According to a freind Lufthansa is to start flights from Karachi/Lahore effective 29th October 07. No mention of equipment or frequencies as of now. Further details to be released next week.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:50 am

according to the slot application, thrice weekly with A343.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 1):
according to the slot application, thrice weekly with A343.

Hi Vfw614

FYI, this has been discussed in other threads and the word is that LH will use refurbished AB6s to Pakistan.

Cheers

[Edited 2007-07-11 05:31:03]

[Edited 2007-07-11 05:31:17]
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:23 pm

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 1):
according to the slot application, thrice weekly with A343.

Is is possible to see the slot application somewhere?
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:59 am

Nothing loaded on the LH website as of yet.. we will just have to wait and see..
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 2):
FYI, this has been discussed in other threads and the word is that LH will use refurbished AB6s to Pakistan.

Yes i have been following that too but honestly i would be expecting them to arrive with either a A330 or the A340.AB6 would be quite surprising,but whats even more surprising is their return to Pakistan.Its worth mentioning that at the time LH axed KHI back in 1998 or so-it was also operating the route with the AB6.

Further details would be most interesting.

Now as far as these 'refurbished' AB6's are concerned,do they feature the flaghship LH J class?Are they in 2 class or 3 class configuration?At present i dont think more then 2 or 3 airlines offer F class to any city in Pakistan (MH,BA,SV are the only ones that come to mind)
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting GF-A330 (Thread starter):
Now as far as these 'refurbished' AB6's are concerned,do they feature the flaghship LH J class?Are they in 2 class or 3 class configuration?At present i dont think more then 2 or 3 airlines offer F class to any city in Pakistan (MH,BA,SV are the only ones that come to mind)

According to somebody eslses comment on another thread 10 out of 14 A300s will be upgraded with the new J class. No mentioning of F-class. I would guess they are pure J and Y config.
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:41 am

Will be nice to see LH back to KHI. Star Alliance has been quite absent from Pakistan. I wonder if they will codeshare with UA.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Star Alliance has been quite absent from Pakistan.

True..

Singapore Airlines and Thai are the only airlines that fly to Pakistan that are in the Star Alliance, if LH does start up KHI again, that would make 3 Star Alliance carriers.
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:09 am

This is a very good decision by LH. They are already pretty strong in the whole region and Pakistan was one of the few holes left in the map. I do hope it is a A333 or A343, i think they would give a good reintroduction impression on the Pakistani market.
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:05 am

LH return to Pakistan may be codeshare by TK operated flights that will be a Star Alliance member soon.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 8):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Star Alliance has been quite absent from Pakistan.

True..

Singapore Airlines and Thai are the only airlines that fly to Pakistan that are in the Star Alliance, if LH does start up KHI again, that would make 3 Star Alliance carriers.

...that's more than OneWorld...where KHI is only served by CX.....

BA serves ISB...but not KHI... Sad

..that being said, I'm going with PK  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting DALCA (Reply 9):
I do hope it is a A333 or A343, i think they would give a good reintroduction impression on the Pakistani market.

As long as the inside of the plane looks like any other LH plane, I don't think that the average passenger would care or know that they were on an AB6, A333 or A343. In my mind its a good idea to start with the AB6 and if the demand and yields are there, then LH can upgauge the flight in the future.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:39 am

Great News for Houston market.
The passenger now can flight with LH to KHI via FRA.

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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 5):
Now as far as these 'refurbished' AB6's are concerned,do they feature the flaghship LH J class?Are they in 2 class or 3 class configuration?

these aircrafts feature only J and Y class. the Business class is NOT the current flagship business class, it is the old business class of the B747s.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:38 am

A guy on another forum says as follows:


""""After years of absence, Lufthansa will restart operations to Pakistan.

As of 28 oct 2007 Lufthansa will fly to Karachi and Lahore.

Schedule as follows:
LH766 FRA-KHI-LHE on days 2/4/7
LH767 LHE-FRA on days 3/5/1

Flight LH766 is leaving FRA at 10u30, arriving in KHI at 19u45,
continuing to LHE at 20u45 with arrival at 22u25 at LHE.
Flight LH767 is leaving LHE at 00u05 directly for FRA, landing
there at 06u20.

Flights will be operated with A330."""""


However with any source.....

Hope above is true, anyhow my source is www.historyofpia.com (forum)  angel 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:03 am

Excellent connections in both ways LH is offering via its FRA hub. From YYZ & YUL, passengers only have a 3 hour transit in FRA in both directions which is superb. From the U.S. East Coast, ORD, IAH, DFW & MIA connect within a 2-3 hour transit too in both directions via FRA to Pakistan. This flight will have a huge impact in North America because in Canada, Aeroplan members can obtain frequent flier points by flying LH, where as in USA, those having United's and US Airways's frequent flier cards as well as LH's own Miles & More card will get points. This will be a big deciding factor for a passenger especially if the fare is competitive as well.

I expect the sizeable Pakistani community residing in Texas (IAH & DFW), Montreal, MIA, BOS, PHL, IAD, BWI, ORD & ATL to favor this new LH flight compared to others as it will provide them with a convenient ONE STOP option to Pakistan instead of 2 stops via YYZ or another U.S/EU gateway + a Gulf hub. ORD will benefit especially since PIA is going to suspend the station so LH can pick up where PK left off.

Cargo too will be a huge bonus for LH as from LHE a majority of the world's footballs are produced in Sialkot based factories whom now have a convenient nonstop flight to Europe to send their goods on. As you all know, Germany is a huge soccer mad county. In addition, cargo in the form of textiles/garments/leather and pharmacutical are heavily exported from the Punjab state to Germany & to other EU/UK cities.

Apart from the Pakistani community, LH is bound to pick up high yielding business class traffic from executives based in Germany, USA and other EU states who go on business trips to Pakistan. LH has the loyal brand following in these markets + offering a one stop option + frequent flier points all of which are highly valued by the businessmen! Lastly, LH faces no competition from a EU/UK carrier in KHI & LHE as the latter fly to ISB only.

[Edited 2007-07-17 19:24:19]
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting EmiratesCPH (Reply 15):
As of 28 oct 2007 Lufthansa will fly to Karachi and Lahore.

I can't find any confirmation on LH's website that it is starting flights to KHI and LHE anytime soon. LH has already loaded its schedule for the remainder of this year onto its online timetable. LH posted announcements on its website about new destinations (MCO and cities in eastern Europe), which do not include KHI or LHE. Also, Amadeus does not show any direct or nonstop flights on LH between FRA and KHI and LHE for November or December of this year.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
Excellent connections in both ways LH is offering via its FRA hub. From YYZ & YUL, passengers only have a 3 hour transit in FRA in both directions which is superb. From the U.S. East Coast, ORD, IAH, DFW & MIA connect within a 2-3 hour transit too in both directions via FRA to Pakistan. This flight will have a huge impact in North America because in Canada, Aeroplan members can obtain frequent flier points by flying LH, where as in USA, those having United's and US Airways's frequent flier cards as well as LH's own Miles & More card will get points. This will be a big deciding factor for a passenger especially if the fare is competitive as well.

I expect the sizeable Pakistani community residing in Texas (IAH & DFW), Montreal, MIA, BOS, PHL, IAD, BWI, ORD & ATL to favor this new LH flight compared to others as it will provide them with a convenient ONE STOP option to Pakistan instead of 2 stops via YYZ or another U.S/EU gateway + a Gulf hub. ORD will benefit especially since PIA is going to suspend the station so LH can pick up where PK left off.

Idiot PK and and Pakistani Govt./CAA, they need to get their house in order so that way PK could fly nonstop in both directions..it will definitely be the "difference maker" between flying PK and some other carrier.
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
Cargo too will be a huge bonus for LH as from LHE a majority of the world's footballs are produced in Sialkot based factories whom now have a convenient nonstop flight to Europe to send their goods on. As you all know, Germany is a huge soccer mad county. In addition, cargo in the form of textiles/garments/leather and pharmacutical are heavily exported from the Punjab state to Germany & to other EU/UK cities.

Lufthansa cargo already flies to LHE twice weekly from FRA with the MD-11F which then goes onwards to other destinations in SE Asia and India.
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:35 am

Given the security problems in KHI, I suspect the LH crew will be overnighting in LHE. I can't imagine it'd be too high on the bid list for most!
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:43 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 17):
I can't find any confirmation on LH's website that it is starting flights to KHI and LHE anytime soon. LH has already loaded its schedule for the remainder of this year onto its online timetable. LH posted announcements on its website about new destinations (MCO and cities in eastern Europe), which do not include KHI or LHE. Also, Amadeus does not show any direct or nonstop flights on LH between FRA and KHI and LHE for November or December of this year.

That is true.. no indication on the LH website at all of KHI/LHE flights coming up. Unless they for some reason are waiting until the last minute? But what would be the benefit of that?
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:33 pm

Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 21):

Maybe with what is going on in Pakistan now, they need to analyze security concerns or something? Just a thought!
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
Excellent connections in both ways LH is offering via its FRA hub. From YYZ & YUL, passengers only have a 3 hour transit in FRA in both directions which is superb. From the U.S. East Coast, ORD, IAH, DFW & MIA connect within a 2-3 hour transit too in both directions via FRA to Pakistan. This flight will have a huge impact in North America because in Canada, Aeroplan members can obtain frequent flier points by flying LH, where as in USA, those having United's and US Airways's frequent flier cards as well as LH's own Miles & More card will get points. This will be a big deciding factor for a passenger especially if the fare is competitive as well.

There would also be nothing to stop AC and probably UA from code-sharing the flights as well.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:57 pm

Perhaps LH is considering whether or not to resume flights to Pakistan, but it has made no final decision to do so. This discussion reminds me of other threads on this forum that speculate that LH is ready to resume flights to BOG this year. I suppose that these two situations are similar because both Colombia and Pakistan are large countries in their respective regions of the world, and there is probably enough demand to justify LH flights to both countries. However, the security situations in Colombia and Pakistan require extra precautions that may increase costs and reduce profits.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:10 am

LH has released fares in UK for their UK-FRA-PAK-FRA-UK flights starting from GBP 245 + taxes...tkt valid for 3 months.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:58 am

Service is to use A343, I doubt it will happen now considering state of affairs in the country.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:25 am

I'm not confirming or denying that LH will begin FRA-KHI/LHE, but we should know for sure tomorrow  Wink.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:42 pm

Its confirmed!!!

Direct from the Lufthansa website.

LH658 will depart FRA at 11:25 arriving KHI at 22:40 the same day.
LH658 will depart KHI at 23:40 arriving LHE at 01:20 the next day.

LH659 will depart LHE at 03:00 arriving FRA at 07:15 the same day.

Equipment will be A300-600R.

Frequency: Tu/Th/Su

Airfare isnt that bad either  Wink
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:27 am

Great that LH is coming back - HOWEVER, they haven't considered one critical problem that also plagued KLM in the 90s, that at least for Pakistani traffic originating from Pakistan everyone holding a Pakistani passport will require a Schengen visa in order to transit at FRA. Aside from the 3 week visa procedure and ridiculous fees, why would anyone fly LH unless they were going to Germany/Europe - granted expat Pakistani through traffic might not have a problem, but resident traffic...not likely..unless there were EU wide visa reform- about as likely as snow in KHI
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 5):
Its worth mentioning that at the time LH axed KHI back in 1998 or so-it was also operating the route with the AB6

Wasn't Karachi the intermediate stop for LH flights to KTM back then? If so, I distinctly remember seeing LH 727s in KTM - then again, when I think about it, it seems very odd for LH to be sending 727s on this route, especially as late as 1998; when did they get rid if their 727s?
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting Aerophile (Reply 29):
Great that LH is coming back - HOWEVER, they haven't considered one critical problem that also plagued KLM in the 90s, that at least for Pakistani traffic originating from Pakistan everyone holding a Pakistani passport will require a Schengen visa in order to transit at FRA. Aside from the 3 week visa procedure and ridiculous fees, why would anyone fly LH unless they were going to Germany/Europe - granted expat Pakistani through traffic might not have a problem, but resident traffic...not likely..unless there were EU wide visa reform- about as likely as snow in KHI

I assumed they would have waived that condition in hopes of promoting their flight,but from the sound of it-it appears to be something beyond their control.But if this is the case,this will almost certainly negatively affect loads for sure...how much i dont know.See two types of people would be travelling on these flights-pax connecting to USA or pax connecting to Europe.The latter will naturally either have EU based passports or visas.The only US-PK pax whom i see using this service are the ones who have American passports(sizeable Pakistani origin community in USA).Its inconceivable that someone will actually bother with an EU visa JUST to transit through FRA if they are travelling to the US on a Pakistani passport-not when you have EY-EK-QR to contend with.

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 30):
Wasn't Karachi the intermediate stop for LH flights to KTM back then? If so, I distinctly remember seeing LH 727s in KTM - then again, when I think about it, it seems very odd for LH to be sending 727s on this route, especially as late as 1998; when did they get rid if their 727s?

There was a period in the 90's when some of the KHI flights continued to KTM but KHI was itself by and large an extension of BAH,AUH & DXB services (as was the case with all European airlines that served KHI).However at no point were any of those flights on a B727.Whatever you saw at KTM was independant of KHI.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:54 am

it will be good to have Pakistan served from Europe by a Star carrier as well as from Asia - it wasted a lot of miles having to route people through BKK just to get to Pakistan on an RTW

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 31):
However at no point were any of those flights on a B727.Whatever you saw at KTM was independant of KHI.

perhaps what you saw was a cargo flight - I am pretty sure that LH had a joint venture cargo operation at some point that used 727 freighters in that part of the world - IIRC one of the a/c actually crashed shortly after takeoff from KTM back in the late 90s ? anyone with a better memory than mine have any more info on that ..... sorry for going off topic
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:03 am

So does that make LH the largest European airline in terms of service to the Indian Sub-continent?

I count the following number of weekly services for the coming winter season:
7 x B744 FRA - Delhi
7 x A346 MUC - Delhi
7 x B744 FRA - Mumbai
7 x B744 FRA - Chennai
7 x B744 FRA - Bangalore
7 x A343 FRA - Hyderbad
3 x A333 FRA - Kolkata
3 x A300 FRA - Karachi - lahore

Total: 48 weekly flights - Divided as follows:
B744: 28 services
A346: 7 services
A343: 7 services
A333: 3 services
A300: 3 services

8 cities served

Looking forward to:
MUC - Mumbai
FRA - Dhaka

Can someone give a quick recap of the services to the Indian subcontinent offered by BA and AF?

Cheers!
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:25 am

British Airways network to the Indian subcontinent (all flights operating ex-LHR)

Delhi: 14 x B744
Mumbai: 7 x B744 + 7 x B772
Chennai: 5 x B772
Bangalore: 7 x B744
Kolkatta: 3 x B772
Islamabad: 6 x B772
Dhaka: 3 x B772

Total: 52 weekly flights - divided as follows:
B744: 28 services
B772: 24 services

7 destinations served
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 30):
Wasn't Karachi the intermediate stop for LH flights to KTM back then? If so, I distinctly remember seeing LH 727s in KTM - then again, when I think about it, it seems very odd for LH to be sending 727s on this route, especially as late as 1998; when did they get rid if their 727s?

I believe LH flew FRA-KHI-KTM for a short period of time in the mid-90s. If I remember right they later changed it to a KHI-Gulf-FRA route, not to long before KHI was cut as a destination.

************

As far as the new route is concerned, I think it would have been better for them to fly FRA-LHE-FRA. As Behramjee pointed out they can tap the LHE-EU/Canada/N. America market. I do think there is room for another European carrier to serve LHE, besides LH.

Yields to KHI are very low due to over-capacity, caused mainly by EK's 5 daily DXB-KHI-DXB flights, which allow convenient connections to a whole host of places, including JFK and soon IAH and YYZ. LH may yet succeed there, as users above have pointed out, but I frankly cannot see room for another European carrier in Karachi.

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Incidently, this is my very first post on this forum.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 30):
If so, I distinctly remember seeing LH 727s in KTM - then again, when I think about it, it seems very odd for LH to be sending 727s on this route, especially as late as 1998; when did they get rid if their 727s?

The last B727 (D-ABKT) left LH in September 1992.
 
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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:09 pm

Hey, now when LH is expanding like crazy in the Indian subcontinent, does anyone know if they has any interest in DAC at all?  Smile

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RE: Lufthansa To Karachi/Lahore Eff 29/10

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 30):
Wasn't Karachi the intermediate stop for LH flights to KTM back then? If so, I distinctly remember seeing LH 727s in KTM - then again, when I think about it, it seems very odd for LH to be sending 727s on this route, especially as late as 1998; when did they get rid if their 727s?

LH never sent 727s to KTM; however, there used to be an Arabic cargo subsidiary, operating out of SHJ i believe, which operated 727Fs on behalf of LH Cargo. I think they also applied the LH Cargo scheme so perhaps it was one of those which you saw at KTM.
one of those 727Fs once crashed during approach into KTM. soon thereafter, the cooperation between LH Cargo and this airline was suspended.


Quoting CityAirline (Reply 37):
Hey, now when LH is expanding like crazy in the Indian subcontinent, does anyone know if they has any interest in DAC at all?

i higly doubt DAC is seriously considered.
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