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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 45):
There was a whole 'nother thread about this event.

Boeing 7Series Complete 7/7/07 Flyover Details (by IAD787 Jul 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Thats what I was trying to say in my original post on this thread. It seems like this thread got sidetracked real, real quick.
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting DrExotica (Reply 41):

If your interest is military aviation, there is no better museum in the entire world than the USAF Museum at Wright-Patterson (Dayton, Ohio). A truly phenominal collection - including a D-21, a B-36, and the remaining XB-70A (personal favorite).

I need to see that place. After all, I've been in the Air Force since 1981, but haven't ever been to Wright-Pat. The reason I remember the B-29 was that it used to be here and is the best example of a B-29 still around.
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:10 am

So is that the first 767 to get DL's new colors or is there already a 767 painted in the new colors?
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 46):
I have often wondered why Boeing didn't graft the 757 nose to the 737NG series.. anyone else wonder that?

The story I heard years ago was that Boeing was going to use the 757 nose for the 737NG but Southwest forced them to keep the old nose so that it would be common with their 732/733/735 fleet (i.e. the radome and window panels). Apparently the pilots at Southwest were upset with the decision because the 707/727/737 style nose has a high amount of wind noise at cruise and the 757 nose would of been much quieter since it is a more aerodynamic design. Boeing later installed a set of small vortex generators forward of the windscreen in order to reduce the noise levels in the flight deck.


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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 31):
Did Air France just 'loan' the 777 they normally use to serve Seattle for this purpose?

AF has only nominated their A332 for SEA service.
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting Jr (Reply 52):
So is that the first 767 to get DL's new colors or is there already a 767 painted in the new colors?

That is the first and so far the only 767 in Delta's new colors.


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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:59 am

Flown 707, 727-100/200, 737- 300/400/500/600/700/800, 747-100/200/300/400, 757-200, 767-200/300ER, 777-200...............but not the 787...........................yet....................


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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:09 am

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 47):
I drive by the Museum of Flight frequently, and the one thing that always bothers me is how dirty the first 747 is that is part of the display. Great museum. If you are ever in Seattle it is a MUST see.

I was there last year and there was a lot of rust, or corrosion, on it too.
 
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting Dkf747 (Reply 57):
I was there last year and there was a lot of rust, or corrosion, on it too.

They plan on doing a cosmetic restoration when they build the Commercial Air Transport Wing in a few years. The museum's Comet 4C, Super Connie, and 727-100 will join the rest of the airliners across Marginal Way when this happens.

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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:07 am

Is Airforce One across the street as well? Is it still open to the public? I haven't been to the museum in a few years. Is the Super Connie undergoing restoration? I know it was dismantled to ship from Toronto to Seattle.

And yes the Museum is just not a Boeing museum but rather of flight.
 
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 59):
Is Airforce One across the street as well? Is it still open to the public?

Yes, that is Air Force One. The specific flavor of B707 is mentioned somewhere above in this long thread. And, yes, so far as I know, it is still available to public views and tours inside.

Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 59):
And yes the Museum is just not a Boeing museum but rather of flight.

Indeed, and the Museum of Flight, tries hard not to be known as the Boeing Museum of Flight, lest potential financial donors to the museum feel that their modest contributions aren't needed if the Boeing Corporation is bankrolling it. And, in keeping with that spirit, I don't think visitors to the MoF come away with the idea that they've just viewed a long Boeing advertisement.

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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting KBOS (Reply 9):

Anybody know of another still in service? I'm glad I got to fly on one in the 70's

I believe there are still some flying passengers in Iran. Good luck if you want to fly on one.
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 56):
Flown 707, 727-100/200, 737- 300/400/500/600/700/800, 747-100/200/300/400, 757-200, 767-200/300ER, 777-200...............but not the 787...........................yet....................

You are lucky I am still missing a few.
So far I have only been on the
727-200
737-200/300/400/500/700
747-400
757-200
767-300
Looking forward for the first 787 and 747-8I flight  Smile Too bad I won't have a chance to fly on a 747classic and 707 anymore.
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 24):
I would point out that while that is probably the most complete Boeing jet line you will find, the Boeing 720 is noticably absent.

The display was billed as an assembly of the "7" series of airliners...I guess that means 7x7.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 31):
Did Air France just 'loan' the 777 they normally use to serve Seattle for this purpose? Or was the plane sent there specifically for this event?



Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 42):
How come AF was chosen ????

The AF 773 is a new a/c currently undergoing flight testing at PAE and is scheduled for delivery within a few weeks as I recall. Having flown on an AF 773 from LAX-CDG a few days before this demonstration, I was rather stoked to see it chosen.

My dad e-mailed me this photo a week ago from a Boeing e-mail (he was at the 787 rollout too...I'm rather jealous). This is the best shot anyone got of the event!
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RE: 787 Rollout-- Boeing's Entire Jet Family

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 28):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 24):
I would point out that while that is probably the most complete Boeing jet line you will find, the Boeing 720 is noticably absent.

Well, the 720 is basically a 707 variant. It just wasn't given a new designation like the 707-500 or anything like that, as would have happened under modern practices. So the 707 serves as that purpose.

It would have been nice if they could have included a 720 but I'm not sure if any are still flying except the one used as an engine testbed by Pratt & Whitney Canada.

While the 720 was a close relative of the 707 it had a lot of design differences apart from the shorter fuselage, including changes to the wing profile and a lighter structure. That made the 720B with JT3Ds a very impressive performer, with the same engines as the heavy 707-320B/C models but approximately 100,000 lbs. less gross weight. While the non-fan 720 like those operated by UA and EA seemed underpowered (unlike several other 720 operators like AA, UA and EA never re-engined their 720s to became 720Bs), the 720B was a real hot-rod of that era, the closest equivalent to the 757 among the early 4-engine jets. They always seemed like they could take off on 3, or even 2, engines, and the climb rate could be very impressive. The 720B was always one of my favorite early Boeing types for that reason.

Although originally intended mainly for medium range routes, the 720B in particular turned out to be a very versatile aircraft. LH operated their 720Bs throughout their network in the early 1960s, as far as Japan and South America, with several stops of course. I was lucky to fly on the standard non-fan 720 operated by UA and 720Bs of AA, NW and Western.

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