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STNDEICER
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How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:42 am

Ever since working at stansted, it has been full of low cost carriers (ryanair, easyjet, air berlin, germanwings etc) with a couple of charter carriers (FCA - 1 A/C, TCX - 1 A/C, XLA - 1 A/C and TOM - 1 A/C). Over the last couple of years EOS and MAXJET have started business class to the states and AA are starting soon but where are all the other big long haul carriers? What makes STN such a big turn off for the major carriers? Sat 4 is to be built soon (Virgin were apparently interested but pulled out) and there must be a fair amount of available slots during the day

Are there any carriers that you would particuarly like to see at STN?
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:43 am

Hopefully AirAsiaX will be there from late this year with cheap flights to KUL.
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting STNDEICER (Thread starter):
AA are starting soon

I missed this, what route and aircraft are been used?
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STNDEICER
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting STNDEICER (Thread starter):
AA are starting soon

I missed this, what route and aircraft are been used?


not sure which A/C but flights to new york
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting STNDEICER (Reply 3):
not sure which A/C but flights to new york

JFK-STN with the 767-300.
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting BMED (Reply 2):
Quoting STNDEICER (Thread starter):
AA are starting soon

I missed this, what route and aircraft are been used?

..this should answer your questions... Smile

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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting FlyBeQ400 (Reply 1):
Hopefully AirAsiaX will be there from late this year with cheap flights to KUL.

But they only firmed up orders like a few months ago (?) And I thought there was a huge backlog for the A330?
Anyway, back to the topic, maybe they could lower their charges??


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flybeq400
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:11 am

Problem with lowering charges is essentially Stansted would be taking business from LGW and LHR; and as they're all owned by BAA I doubt this would be well received by BAA management.

AirAsiaX is targeting a September launch date apparently, though Australia + China are slated to get the first services. I believe they have secured leases on 2 A333s so they can start services prior to receiving new a/c in 2008 onwards.
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:17 am

BAA are in talks with Kingfisher and Jet Airways about starting routes to STN as an alternative to LHR
 
STNDEICER
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting BMED (Reply 2):

American Airlines have announce route will be covered by 767-300 from 29th October. If booked in next couple of days, economy to cost from £232 and business class from £1391 rtn
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting STNDEICER (Reply 8):
BAA are in talks with Kingfisher and Jet Airways about starting routes to STN as an alternative to LHR

Err...don't Jet already fly 2 or 3 times per day into LHR?

Quoting FlyBeQ400 (Reply 7):
AirAsiaX is targeting a September launch date apparently

Don't be counting all your chickens yet. Could still be MAN for them.
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:29 am

Slightly off topic I know... but why in general is STN very very attractive to LCCs, but not a lot else...?
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 10):
Err...don't Jet already fly 2 or 3 times per day into LHR?

I believe they do but suppose they are looking to expand operations to london?!?
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 11):
Slightly off topic I know... but why in general is STN very very attractive to LCCs, but not a lot else...?

Its something that i've never fully worked out. Obviously available slots to LHR and LGW are limited but with fees rising at STN it is obviously still very profitable for LCC's as there are now 42/43 Ryanair based at STN with over 200 movements per day

STN will be the airport of choice for the 2012 olympics with its links to east london so maybe some airlines will look to come in before then and get established?!?
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 11):

Quite simple really. When FR and Go (later taken over by U2) were starting out STN was a brand new terminal with the capacity for 10 million or so passengers, with only a million or so passing through, plus there were few movements; so there were plenty of convenient slots available and a new terminal for the passengers. U2 had already bagged the only other airport with plenty of spare capacity near London that being Luton.

Thus it could be argued that FR would never have expanded the way it has without STN, as the best they could have done at any other London airport was a few slots here and there.

STN hasn't attracted much in the way of long haul in the past because all the established carriers favour LHR & LGW as they already have all the ground staff and infrastructure in place. It will only be if they cannot get any more slots for expansion that they will consider STN.

Maxjet & EOS didn't have a presence at LHR or LGW so STN was cost effective for them; plus it gave them their own catchment area.
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 14):
When FR and Go (later taken over by U2) were starting out STN was a brand new terminal with the capacity for 10 million or so passengers, with only a million or so passing through, plus there were few movements; so there were plenty of convenient slots available and a new terminal for the passengers

Add in cross-subsidisation of airport charges which meant the STN charges were artificially low to attract airlines to the new terminal which had to be paid for somehow or other.
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:53 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 11):
but why in general is STN very very attractive to LCCs, but not a lot else...?

Adding to all the valueable comments already stated, it's one of the few airports that still has some capacity left, albeit the spare capacity is shrinking fast.

Most traditional carriers are serving LHR or LGW for years now and have slots, and in order to keep all business at one place, they usually expand at LHR. (with current slot restrictions more on airplane size than on frequency) New carriers can hardly enter LHR or LGW, and will use LTN or STN instead. And als almost all start-ups are LCCs, it's not too strange they get to STN (or LTN).

Another thing is that LCCs do not need to provide (interline) connections offered by LHR, whereas traditional carriers do need these connections.
 
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RE: How Can STN Attract Long-haul Carriers?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:04 am

Both JM and ex-BWIA Caribbean Airlines seems to have lost their LHR. If JM wants back to London, maybe STN could do it for them.
I don't know what happened to AV LHR slots, if AV wants back to London, they should consider STN too.
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