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Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:30 am

I'm not going to go on about all the conspiracy theories or how some people believe this crash was the first volley in the war with terrorism.
What I will say is that 11 years ago tonight, 230 people lost their lives in a horrendous crash, one that I remember well and followed in the paper for weeks. Maybe it is my proximity to NYC, but this crash hit me harder than most, especially because I had just completed a transatlantic trip a few weeks before.

July 17th, 1996, was a hot, muggy day in the Northeast; it was what I think of when I think of warm summer evenings. In the days before incessant delays at JFK, N93119 headed up into the skies an hour late at about 8:25PM (due to a technical issue). Just minutes later, in the late evening haze and dwindling daylight, the aircraft tragically returned to Earth in millions of pieces. In little more than the time it takes to read this sentence, 230 fine people were taken from us; hundreds of other lives were affected forever.

R.I.P TWA Flight 800.

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:43 am

I lost a true friend on this flight.
His name is Marcel Dadi, a very well known French guitarist.
He had gone to Nashville to receive an award.
R.I.P. Marcel, and all those on TWA 800.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:48 am

God...i remember it like it was yesterday.... Sad


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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:00 am

I remember when i was younger flying back from PHX-STL-BOS on TWA a few days after flight 800. All the TWA FA's had white ribbons on. That Wonderful Airline is still badly missed.

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:03 am

RIP

We miss you all.

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:06 am

It doesn't seem possible that it's been 11 years. I too remember it as if it were yesterday, the CNN coverage with video from above showing the ocean on fire. It was horrible.

My sincere hope was, and still is, that the pax died quickly. I don't want to think about them riding what was left of the plane down to the ocean.

How things have changed since that night. TW is gone, most of the 747's are gone, and flying isn't the pleasure it used to be.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 3):
I remember when i was younger flying back from PHX-STL-BOS on TWA a few days after flight 800. All the TWA FA's had white ribbons on. That Wonderful Airline is still badly missed.

I'm pretty sure I told the same story last year on the big 10-year anniversary thread, but I was in T5 at JFK just a few days after the tragedy. In those days, one could get to the gate area without a boarding pass. I remember feeling intense sadness.. it was everywhere, from the ribbons on the wall, the flowers by the gate, the sad, grieving faces of the brave TWA crew. There was no fun to be found anywhere in that building, except for a few toddlers running around oblivious to the prior events.

Hard to believe it has been 11 years. It seems like it was just last week; on the other hand, so much has changed since then.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:51 am

wow 11 years, I remember that Accident, Really sad,

R.I.P. to the 230 victims of the TWA 800

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Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:58 am

Very sad indeed.  Sad Last year, four days after July 17, I was going back home from Washington D.C., but I was scared to get on the plane.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:00 am

RIP to all the victims and to TWA.

I was on that exact aircraft a year prior in July 95 doing JFK-ATH...

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:14 am

RIP TWA 800 and RIP TWA we miss you both
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:25 am

Really sad, i still can remember when i saw it in the news about this tragedy. May i ask the cause? Was it definitely a bomb?

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:25 am

RIP TWA 800
I still have my white ribbon.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:28 am

WOW 9 yrs already cannot beleive that!

RIP to all the passangers of TWA 800
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 13):
WOW 9 yrs already cannot beleive that

Make that 11 years...
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 11):
Really sad, i still can remember when i saw it in the news about this tragedy. May i ask the cause? Was it definitely a bomb?

It was a fuel tank explosion, most likely due to electrical arcing. The exact cause of the explosion was never determined, but it was determined conclusively that the explosion originated in the fuel tank and was fed by fuel vapors, nothing else. They suspected arcing from the air conditioning system, the wiring for which runs through the center fuel tank.

It also was not the only time this exact thing happened, although the other times were thankfully on the ground. Part of the testing of the conclusions in the report was flying another 747 under the exact same circumstances as TWA 800, which ended up proving incredibly dangerous. They found extremely high temperatures in the empty fuel tank, with a resulting combustible mixture of fuel vapors. Luckily they did not have any faulty wiring that day.

Several procedural changes have been made to address this issue, although I don't believe any real structural changes have been made to any airliners, ie. this accident could theoretically happen again. Hopefully the new procedures have greatly reduced the risk, though.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:24 am

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 15):
the explosion originated in the fuel tank and was fed by fuel vapors, nothing else. They suspected arcing from the air conditioning system, the wiring for which runs through the center fuel tank.

The center tank was empty because the 747 didn't need fuel in it for the relatively short hop to CDG, increasing the explosive potential of the tank with the fumes of the few remaining gallons.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:30 am

What a sad event; I can't even begin to imagine what the pax and crew aboard TWA 800 must have gone through. May they RIP.
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:54 am

I can't believe eleven years have passed...

RIP to all of the people that were on Flight 800.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:10 am

I was 14 on that day. Wow 11 years already. it was a hot summer here in Chicago and the news interrupted my childhood shows with the news. I was just thinking "the water was on fire". It was this incident that solidified my fear of flying. But in my adulthood I have flown six round trips in the domestic sector. That was just a sad day for me watching everything. I didn't even know anyone on board but the pain was just there. 230 people.........
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:02 am

I remember that I got home from work late, about 9:45-10 pm, turning on the TV and all of the local stations and CNN had turned to covering this tragedy, including chopper pix of the flames on the ocean. Of course, terrorism was first suspected, but that seemed to be quickly dismissed. Sadly, the cause of TWA 800 crash had had an absolute answer to it's cause, only a most probable one. It probably was the event that help to kill off TWA a few years later.
There is a large memorial monument on the shore near where this accident happened. I don't know if there was a memorial service today or will be this weekend, I'll have to check the 10 or 11 pm news to see if any was held.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 15):
Several procedural changes have been made to address this issue, although I don't believe any real structural changes have been made to any airliners, ie. this accident could theoretically happen again. Hopefully the new procedures have greatly reduced the risk, though.

The new procedures call for leaving a certain amount of fuel in a tank (as opposed to totally emptying it) to prevent this accident from repeating itself.

Fuel-inerting systems pump gases such as nitrogen into fuel tanks, reducing the amount of oxygen to a level where the fuel and vapors cannot ignite. IIRC, it was proposed that all commercial aircraft be equipped with them, but the cost proved prohibitive. As far as clean-sheet aircraft are concerned, he A380 has no center tank, so there's nothing to worry about there, and the 787 has a similar safety system.
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:53 pm

I remember watching something on Channel 4 when Chuck Scarborough broke the news, they had chopper 4 over the site broadcasting live the images of the flames floating on the water.

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:48 pm

Indeed a very sad anniversary... I recall on that day I was with my Dad in Paris and a couple of days later we were supposed to come back to MEX with AF. It was a shocking revelation to see on T.V. the fate of flight 800.
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:15 pm

I remember false information given that night as well, so very vividly. News 12 Long Island anchor Scott Feldman reported "it has been confirmed that TWA flight 800 has collided with a private aircraft and crashed off the shore of Moriches, Long Island"
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:25 pm

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
Very sad indeed. Sad Last year, four days after July 17, I was going back home from Washington D.C., but I was scared to get on the plane.

I can relate to that. I was only 13 when TWA80 happened and I guess at that age my mind began to fear the unknown or the possible dangers in things without knowing how to process it. It instilled in me an extreme fear of flying. In October 1999 went to Europe aboard TWA flight 900 JFK-LIS-BCN and for months I was petrified...even the fact that our flight was 900 and originated at the same airport freaked me out. Thinking back on it, I should have gotten help LOL but things work out the way they are supposed to. That summer I researched a ton about airliners and safety. The flight was the smoothest I had ever been on and all that research sprouted my interest in aviation!

Visiting terminal 5 was an interesting experience that I will never forget. My flights with TWA were a memorable experience and it is very sad that they no longer exist. Even when terminal 5 reopens, it won't be the same.

Rest in Peace TWA and TWA800.
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:15 pm

This is one sobering crash which has sparked years worth of controversy-

Was it the center fuel tank?

Was it a missile?

Was it a bomb?

Not to start the flame war on here, but this is one crash in our more recent times that won't be put to bed anytime soon- it was far from cut and dry. I still find it amazing the Navy was able to retrieve most everything from the ocean floor, including the majority of the bodies. I'm sure the reconstructed aircraft is quite a revered sight to see.

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:49 pm

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:02 am

I really have nothing to add that hasn't already been said, but wanted to say thank you for the thread anyway!

I was almost 17 in July of 1996. I vividly remember staying up to watch the coverage on CNN... The heartbroken looks on the faces of the TW staff at the press conference at JFK (maybe it was a Holiday Inn nearby...I can't remember).

Godspeed to all touched by the incident...living and dead.

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 11):
May i ask the cause? Was it definitely a bomb?

Definitely NOT a bomb. The authorities proceeded on the assumption that it was a bomb, did extensive testing and failed to find any evidence to support the conclusion. The sensitivity of the testing for explosive residues was perversely confirmed by a false positive related to that TWA 747 having being used for a training exercise with bomb-sniffing dogs. The very slight residues from dummy bombs placed on the aircraft for that exercise was detectable, proving beyond reasonable doubt that any actual bomb residue would have been detected.

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 15):
They suspected arcing from the air conditioning system, the wiring for which runs through the center fuel tank.

Not correct. The source of the spark is believed to be over-voltage on the fuel level sensing system wires. The source of the over-voltage would have been due to cracked/chaffed insulation and consequent shorting with some other wiring.

You may be thinking of the location of the center wing tank above the air conditioning packs. Running the A/C on the hot tarmac at JFK heated the small amount of fuel in that tank, creating the explosive atmosphere. The air conditioning played a role in the tragedy, but not specifically due to wiring.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 26):
Was it the center fuel tank?

Was it a missile?

Was it a bomb?

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
RIP to all the victims and to TWA.

I was on that exact aircraft a year prior in July 95 doing JFK-ATH...

God bless.

Man, that's freaky. Makes you think that it could have been you or your flight (I'm glad it wasn't...) I've often wondered how people change if they were the last ones to have a safe flight on a doomed plane, assuming they even know. Personally, I'd be a mess.

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Quoting Bcoz (Reply 28):
The heartbroken looks on the faces of the TW staff at the press conference at JFK (maybe it was a Holiday Inn nearby...I can't remember).

It is actually the Ramada Inn at JFK, at the confluence of the Van Wyck Expressway and the Belt Parkway. It is still a Ramada, although it looks like it could use a facelift. It seems to be the hotel of choice any time there is a crash or disaster involving JFK Airport, which has been all too often since 1996.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 29):
YES, NO, NO. Questions answered; controversy averted.

Amen.

[Edited 2007-07-18 23:44:02]
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
I was on that exact aircraft a year prior in July 95 doing JFK-ATH...

I was on that exact aircraft one DAY before the catastrophe, flying CDG-JFK. Because I had about a zillion frequent flyer miles on TWA, I got a complementary upgrade to first class. The service - typical of TWA's trans-Atlantic first class service in those days - was superb. Wonderfully attentive cabin crew, plus food and wine that rivaled a fine Parisian restaurant. What saddens me deeply to this day is that so many off-duty TWA staff were on board flight 800, redeploying back to TWA's Paris hub. I can't shake the sad knowledge that some of the cabin crew who wined and dined me so elegantly all the way across the pond were killed the very next day - either working flight 800 or off-duty redeploying back to CDG. It's 11 years now, yet I've never been able to shake that abiding sadness.

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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:37 am

RIP to the victims.......truly was a very sad day. You will be remembered.
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 29):
YES, NO, NO. Questions answered; controversy averted.

Hardly likely. But this thread isn't for that topic, right?
 
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RE: Sad Anniversary Today - 11 Years TWA800

Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:44 pm

The Ramada Inn @ JFK is known to most in the industry at JFK as "the Heartbreak Hotel"

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