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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:27 am

This tail is worthy of being used on the entire fleet alone, Indian Airlines should have had it.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 50):
This tail is worthy of being used on the entire fleet alone, Indian Airlines should have had it.

Looks good.AIX tails are Interesting.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:56 am

Hi guys, I have a question.

Which airline has the best economy class and service between DEL and YYZ? My brother-in-law needs a ticket soon -- late July or early August -- so, Jet Airways won't do.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:26 pm

Quoting Sunnyb (Reply 52):
Which airline has the best economy class and service between DEL and YYZ? My brother-in-law needs a ticket soon -- late July or early August -- so, Jet Airways won't do.

Probably BA or EY (depending on the dates). The other choices would be LH (poor service in Y), VS (long layover), CO, AA (US Visa probably needed + average service), SU (no idea), KL/AF, AC/LX/LH etc. These are all with a one-stop service.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting Sunnyb (Reply 52):
Which airline has the best economy class and service between DEL and YYZ? My brother-in-law needs a ticket soon -- late July or early August -- so, Jet Airways won't do.

Other than the fact that they only serve wine and beer in Tempo (Y) (fine actually) and the fact that he will have to deal with wonderful place called Charles De Gaulle Airport, AF is pretty good. But check on the West-Bound flights from YYZ - via ICN or NRT, I'm sure about the service on those airlines.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 53):
Probably BA or EY (depending on the dates). The other choices would be LH (poor service in Y), VS (long layover), CO, AA (US Visa probably needed + average service), SU (no idea), KL/AF, AC/LX/LH etc. These are all with a one-stop service.

You can also fly AI-AC via LHR to YYZ.....in my opinion, AI's Y class is more tolerable than LH's Y class on the 744...but again, that's my opinion....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:19 am

Is the first 772-LR on its way to DEL or is it there already? I believe it was supposed to be delivered on 7/27.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:14 am

I haven't been here for a while, so i do not whether this has already been posted.

Here is a link to the first 777-200LR delivery for Air India.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070726/aqth042.html?.v=19
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:36 am

Air India's new baby is on it's way to DEL. Non-stop from PAE.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC160
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting United777 (Reply 58):

wow... great...
only 11 hrs and 9 mins to go Big grin
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting United777 (Reply 58):

Air India's new baby is on it's way to DEL. Non-stop from PAE.

Great news.In facxt Today at work I noticed the A321 VT-PPA taxi into Terminal 1A at BOM.Looked great.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting United777 (Reply 58):
Air India's new baby is on it's way to DEL. Non-stop from PAE.

Can you help me decode this route for AIC 160?

HUH J534 YWL J528 YQU VERKA 6500N 12000W
7000N 12000W 7500N 12000W 8000N 12000W
8500N 12000W DEKMO DEVID G490 THN G489
TIBUN G489 TLTP IVNAR V876 EGPAN M881
KAVOG M881 LAJAK M881 DI A466 IGINO
IGIN1A
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:19 am

Deccan to buy stake in airport combine

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Deccan Aviation, which runs low cost airline Air Deccan, is likely to pick up a stake in a consortium that will help identify and build low-cost airports in India.

Executive Chairman Captain G R Gopinath told Business Standard that they were in the "final stages" of forming the four-member consortium, of which Deccan Aviation is also included.

"The three others are corporate entities with interests in infrastructure. Our mission is to achieve equitable development across Karnataka and the rest of the country," he said.

In the recent past, Captain Gopinath has been an active spokesperson for the low-cost airport concept as a means to connect small towns and cities to the rest of the country.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:42 pm

I've started a new thread! Air India Shows Off New Colours (by Cricket Jul 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:06 pm

Finnair seeks third Indian destination.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...estination/articleshow/2241861.cms

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Finnair, whose second Indian service to Mumbai was added within eight months of flying to New Delhi in October last, has also asked the Finnish government to revisit the air services agreement with India to increase the number of flights to the sub-continent.

Under the existing agreement, New Delhi allows two direct flights from Finland with reciprocal rights to Indian carriers. But while Finnair operates seven flights to New Delhi and five to Mumbai per week, Indian carriers are yet to commence operations to the Nordic country.

"We will have to first bring our Mumbai service to seven days a week before we can ask for more destinations... Mumbai will become seven by summer next year and we are looking at a third destination in south India," Tornstrom said. The number of Indian visitors to Finland has been going up by about 40-50 per cent from 25,000 overnights in 2005 to 40,000 last year.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:27 pm

Anyone having the FinAir Schedule to BOM.What Equipment.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:40 pm

I think they operate a 343 to BOM. Was flying to CCU early in the morning on 9W when I saw it land. Was definately an Airbus 4-holer. A week prior to that, I had gone to pick up a few relatives who were coming in on Jazeera Airways from Dubai, and saw quite a few people waiting to pick up passengers coming in on Finnair.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:25 pm

As I mentioned on another thread - Boeing Forecast For India 2007-2026 : 911 Aircraft (by Cricket Jul 30 2007 in Civil Aviation) , but I thought I would add it here too..

9W's third and fourth 77W's VT-JEC/JED are on their way to India, now! JEC is already at DEL and JED will fly into BOM tomorrow.
VT-ALB AI's second (third) 77L will come to India by mid-August.
No slips in 787-837 delivery dates for AI - the first plane will arrive in late-August or early-September 2008.
The first 739E for SpiceJet arrives November. Boeing is also talking about ExIm financing for SpiceJet.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:36 pm

The latest 9W Q1 FY08 presentation on results released today has some interesting nuggets as well. The presentation is on their site under investors fact file (FY 2007-2008)

a) Cost of A332s on ground - for "Delay in startup of operations on Hongkong Route"...?
b) Blr-Brussels-New York to startup in Oct 07
c) Shanghai-Sanfrancisco to startup within FY 08 - therefore most likely Jan-Mar 08 (i guess the china clearance has caused the delay)

I havent heard of the Hongkong service before from them...though we did read of it on this site about their booking slots there. Also, the date for Blr-Brussels-JFK had been put earlier as Feb - i guess they have pre-poned it as they will have aircraft to spare with the shanghai-sfo route starting up later than planned.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting 15A (Reply 68):
a) Cost of A332s on ground - for "Delay in startup of operations on Hongkong Route"...?
b) Blr-Brussels-New York to startup in Oct 07

The ASA with HKG is still delayed that means...
BLR-BRU-EWR is an interesting rioute - even AI plans to start second half 2007, both carriers are jostling before Mallya comes in with his A345's next April...
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting 15A (Reply 68):
b) Blr-Brussels-New York to startup in Oct 07

OK - so this is the second source of the same news snippet, though the other source mentioned it was due to start Feb 15th 2008. Seems more likely now that earlier!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 65):
Anyone having the FinAir Schedule to BOM.What Equipment.
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Finnair flies HEL-BOM 5x weekly, flying time around 8h on A340-300
Just checked the prices for a friend flying BOM-HEL-MAN (or LHR) return in October, 30300 INR in Y.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 6):
Jet Airways breaks March's 91.5% load factor on LHR-Amritsar

When the UK's CAA released traffic figures for March 2007, I thought 91.5% load factor on 9W's LHR-ATQ route was fantastic. But it seems Jet has outperformed itself once again! June saw a record load factor of:

94%

I think this is brilliant! Lets hope with new A330s coming into the fleet, the flight can go back to six weekly!

Source: UK Civil Aviation Authority - Jun 2007

For those of you not familiar, here is the performance of LHR-ATQ-LHR since it started in August 2006:



August & September 2006 = average load factor of 66%

October, November & December 2006 = average load factor of 79%

January 2007 = average load factor of 79%

February 2007 = average load factor of 86%

March 2007 = average load factor of 92%

May 2007 = average load factor of 84%

June 2007 = average load factor of 94%

After looking at CAA figures and 9W's schedule for LHR-ATQ again I have had to correct the load factors I posted earlier on this thread. Instead of 84% and 94% for May and June on LHR-ATQ, the correct load factors are below:

May 2007 = average load factor of 69%
June 2007 = average load factor of 80%

Please accept my apologies for the wrong figures.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:30 am

Jet Airways India: Q1 Results + News (by Concorde001 Jul 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:34 am

Air India. Indian. and Jetlite all seem to have new websites! The AI website is SUCH a vast improvement over the past. I will miss that charming booking engine though  Smile.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:37 am

ps: I guess the IC site still is the same, and AIX remains the same. Nevertheless, AI site looks good.

-A.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 75):
I guess the IC site still is the sam

www.indian-airlines.nic.in or www.airindia.com takes you to the common website and you are given a choice of Indian or Air India
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:24 am

Speaking of 777 deliveries: last night (July 31st) I heard a callsign: "Jet Airways 1999" getting a clearance from Seattle Center controllers for a flight from PAE to DEL. About 15 minutes later I heard it call PAE traffic taking the runway and then Center again for the initial callup. It was cleared to some point in Canada I didn't recognize and then fell out of range. Presumably its on its way now but I was unable to locate it on FlightAware. Departure would have been approximately 0700Z (12:00 a.m. PDT).

Anyone have the details?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Vxg (Reply 77):
Anyone have the details?

Jet has just received its third and fourth 777-300ER's which will be used to on the BOM-BRU-EWR sectors while maintaining the BOM-LHR sector.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:21 am

Global aviation hub a distant dream for India

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Despite massive capacity expansions, Delhi and Mumbai airports will not be able to bridge the yawning gap with airports run by the Asian tigers, China and Dubai, raising questions about Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel's vision of making India a competitive global aviation hub within Asia.

Delhi, which currently has a capacity to handle only 12 million passengers a year, is being expanded so that by 2010 it can support 37 million passengers and hit 50 million by 2012. Mumbai airport, which has limited capacity for expansion, is being expanded to handle 40 million passengers annually by 2010.

But these capacities pale in comparison to the massive investments in airports like Changi in Singapore, Dubai airport, Suvarnabhhumi airport in Bangkok, Incheon in South Korea or even Beijing airport.

For instance, with the completion of a new terminal (terminal 3) in Changi with an investment of $1.75 billion, the airport will have a capacity to handle over 70 million passengers from 2008, nearly double Delhi's capacity in 2010.

Some dose of reality here.....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 79):
Some dose of reality here.....

Two points here - one this is a start, the second and this has to be emphasised - SIN is a city-state with one airport and comparing India which has several International hubs and upcoming ones at AMD and ATQ will serve several million more passengers than SIN in the coming years. Dose of reality, sure, but paseenger processing isn't the point then - look at losses!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:00 pm

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 79):
Some dose of reality here...



Quoting Cricket (Reply 80):
Dose of reality, sure, but paseenger processing isn't the point then - look at losses!

A Trip Report that should give us an idea about the changing Indian Aviation Scene
Aero India 2007 The Indian LCC Way-Go Air  pics  (by Karan69 Aug 2 2007 in Trip Reports)

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:46 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 81):
A Trip Report that should give us an idea about the changing Indian Aviation Scene

Trust Karan to come out with amazing TRs... well done! Congrats.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:45 pm

Govt. asks AI to consider hub in Vienna

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The meeting was informed about recent talks between Air India Chief V Thulasidas and Lufthansa Board member Carl Garnnet about the Indian carrier's plans to establish a European hub, with Munich being one of the airports, sources said.

The Minister is understood to have asked the airline to look at other European airports as well, including Vienna, for which talks could be held with Austrian Airways, they said.

The move by the state-run airline to establish a European hub to launch 'scissor operations' to North America comes in the wake of its private competitor Jet Airways establishing such an operational hub at Brussels.

Air India, which already flies to several European cities like Frankf
...
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:15 am

NY flight takes off near-empty, but Air India hopeful of better numbers.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/

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Even as Union Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel flagged off Air India’s inaugural non-stop flight to New York amid much fanfare early on Wednesday, the flag carrier’s top brass mulled over the near-empty Boeing 777-200LR that pushed back from Mumbai’s Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport at 12:45 am.

For onboard the “historic” flight were a meagre 80-odd passengers—including a dozen freeloaders—as against the 238 seats available. Or a paltry 33 per cent load. What’s worse: things don’t appear much better for the first fortnight either.
“As per booking details available for the first 10 days, the average load will be around 40 per cent or 95 passengers per flight, which is much lower than expected,” revealed a source. During the same period, Delta Airlines—the only other airline offering a non-stop service between the two financial nerve centers—has a handful tickets available, that too in the higher classes.

Air India had opened bookings with fares over 30 per cent higher than the industry average on the sector, which were later brought at par, because of slow bookings. Yet, Air India’s target of a 75 per cent average load factor—roughly 178 seats—on the popular route seem far off: the poorest capacity will be on their second flight, with merely 56 passengers holding reservations, followed by the third flight that will have as few as 62 fliers.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 83):

I am liking these moves... First BRU for 9W and now VIE for AI. These are two european cities with not as much traffic as some of the other counterparts like FRA, LHR, CDG. They should be easy to transit through  Smile
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 84):
Yet, Air India’s target of a 75 per cent average load factor—roughly 178 seats—on the popular route seem far off: the poorest capacity will be on their second flight, with merely 56 passengers holding reservations, followed by the third flight that will have as few as 62 fliers.

Any idea how the load was going back? Just goes to show you how poorly the flight was marketed and all this during the summer rush when you can't find a seat for less than $1500 round trip. The much talked about synergy with IC better take place sooner than later.

Also, are the flight timings for the JFK-DEL flight known. Will the incoming BOM aircraft do a morning return on the outgoing DEL flight rather than sitting on the ground for 12 hours. Would look like an optimal solution.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting VTNYC (Reply 86):
Any idea how the load was going back? Just goes to show you how poorly the flight was marketed and all this during the summer rush when you can't find a seat for less than $1500 round trip. The much talked about synergy with IC better take place sooner than later.

I remember LH459 saying in another thread that his travel agency was pissed off that AI loaded the flight info so late into the system. Poor planning by the airlines, but of course, not a surprise though.

Regarding VIE vs MUC, I thought MUC would be a better hub as the O&D traffic too might be high to Germany compared to Austria. Wonder why the minister is pushing for VIE  Smile
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 84):
NY flight takes off near-empty, but Air India hopeful of better numbers

Well it is poor planning, like everyone said....in fact AI should target students are will be traveling to the US now for the beginning of the fall semester.

I am sure when the winter sets in, this flight will begin to fill up. Lots of Indians in the US travel home during the winter time and I am sure a non-stop from JFK would be better than a one-stop flight  Smile
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 88):
I am sure when the winter sets in, this flight will begin to fill up. Lots of Indians in the US travel home during the winter time and I am sure a non-stop from JFK would be better than a one-stop flight

That is what I think too, right now many of my friends doing US East Coast - India are flying through DXB on EK (the bonus of that being we get to meet them here in Dubai). But they I'm sure would gladly shift to Mumbai nonstop if viable.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:11 am

Look at AI's ad in yesterday NY Times. Not too bad of a job stitching the pics together in five minutes though.

Click the pictures for full size image.


Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 851 File size: 142kb
Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 807 File size: 63kb
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting VTNYC (Reply 86):
Any idea how the load was going back? Just goes to show you how poorly the flight was marketed and all this during the summer rush when you can't find a seat for less than $1500 round trip.

the catch is that they don't seem to have onwards connections figured out from JFK. We were looking desperately for 3 seats from BLR-SFO for the coming weekend (aug 4/5) and AI was never offered as an option  Sad Ultimately had to book BR via SIN-TPE
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:52 am

Not sure if these AI 777-200LR pics have been posted before.

But i got this cool link from a friend of mine.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/even...UFnSPlWMcF0O6lhZsBeU0BbLUFnSPlWMcF
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:37 pm

I assume that AI is primarily marketing this flight as an O&D as they will with their other 'non-stop' flights DEL-JFK and BLR-SFO (and BOM-Texas, in fact I believe that the voting is seeming going to go in IAH's favour, but you never know).

On VIE vs MUC, while MUC will be a great hub, future growth at MUC is limited because that airport is reaching planned max capacity soon, and as has been pointed out MUC will have a lot of O&D traffic, LH might be close to AI and all, but I'm sure they won't like AI taking passengers away on MUC-US services. I agree with PP that VIE is a better option!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:42 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 93):
I assume that AI is primarily marketing this flight as an O&D as they will with their other 'non-stop' flights DEL-JFK and BLR-SFO

Yes - but that's rather stupid - witness the terrible loads on the initial non-stop flights. Could have been much better loads had they marketed it as yet another way to connect from any point in India to any point in the US.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting VTNYC (Reply 86):
The much talked about synergy with IC better take place sooner than later.

It needs to be done, but from what we have seen this will be later rather than sooner, my friends at accenture tell me that the AI/IC staff are so un cooperative when it comes to divulging information necessary and have such a lithargic and laid back attitude that it even brings down the moral of the people at accenture.

Quoting VTNYC (Reply 86):
Also, are the flight timings for the JFK-DEL flight known.

Not official, but they will most likely be the same as the current BOM ones.

Quoting VTNYC (Reply 86):
Will the incoming BOM aircraft do a morning return on the outgoing DEL flight rather than sitting on the ground for 12 hours. Would look like an optimal solution.

That would but since AI is largely/solely targetting its flight for O&D--big mistake IMO, its possible we would see both 77Ls leve withing minutes of each other.

Big Mistake--as they only get to offer connections if they get a good codeshare partner from JFK and depending upon the IC pilot unioun if they agree to do late night departures so that people can connect from BOM/DEL and later BLR.

[Altough i dont think they will need to for BLR atleast as the flight should be packed both ways on O&D alone considering suggested demand for the route]

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 87):
Wonder why the minister is pushing for VIE

Smell a rat rather some green notes.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 88):
in fact AI should target students are will be traveling to the US now for the beginning of the fall semester.

But those will be largely low yield traffic and are better left to be seated on 744 one stops.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 91):
the catch is that they don't seem to have onwards connections figured out from JFK.

They need to act on that ASAP.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 91):
We were looking desperately for 3 seats from BLR-SFO for the coming weekend (aug 4/5) and AI was never offered as an option

When you looked previously were they ever an option?? i am assuming UA and DL or even B6 would be the ideal codeshare partners, i doubt DL would codeshare though.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 91):
Ultimately had to book BR via SIN-TPE

Oww..., how does tha go IC , BLR-SIN, BR to SFO, if its on the 77W then only go for them [assuming Y] avoid the 744s as it will be too long a flight to handle--No PTVs AFAIk.

Quoting Manny (Reply 92):
But i got this cool link from a friend of mine.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/even...lWMcF

Thanks for the link mate,

Karan
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:43 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 95):
Oww..., how does tha go IC , BLR-SIN, BR to SFO, if its on the 77W then only go for them [assuming Y] avoid the 744s as it will be too long a flight to handle--No PTVs AFAIk.

Yes - IC BLR-SIN, followed by BR SIN-TPE and TPE-SFO. It's a 333 and 74Combi - no 77W I'm afraid. Similar path on the return except it's to BOM on the 747 Combi followed by IT to BLR.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 95):
When you looked previously were they ever an option?? i am assuming UA and DL or even B6 would be the ideal codeshare partners, i doubt DL would codeshare though.

No - they've never been an option - not even when AI flew to LAX. The only AI option to SFO is on the code share with SQ, but agents always just give us the SQ flight number/ticket instead. I'm given to understand that though AI may show full availability on the SQ code share flights, in reality that might not be the case as the 2 systems are not "properly linked/updated". Right now AI would be a decent option (definitely better than BR!) given the AI flight from BLR arrives at the intl terminal in BOM (no hassles of that miserable bus) and on the way back as well - you can clear customs/immigrations in BLR.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:42 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 94):


Yes - but that's rather stupid - witness the terrible loads on the initial non-stop flights.

How are the Comparable loads on the other Two Airlines for Non stops.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 97):
How are the Comparable loads on the other Two Airlines for Non stops.

Witness here (for tonight's flights):

Quote:

1AI 141 F2 A2 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 BOMJFK 0045 0710 77L M 0 AT /E
B4 H4 K0 L4 M4 V4 G4
2DL 17 J9 D9 I0 Y9 B0 M0 H0 BOMJFK 0020 0650 777 D 0 DCA /E
Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0

Basically interpreted to read that AI flight 141 has seats wide open at all fare classes (even the cheapest). The only fare class where seats are not available on AI tonight are on K (don't know what this fare basis is though).

On the contrary DL has seats available for sale only on the full fare economy!

Coming to the fares:

Quote:
For 4/August:
AI 141 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 37847
DL 017 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 80735

For 18/August:
AI 141 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 37847
DL 017 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 75955

Not too good for AI  Sad
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 56

Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 98):
Coming to the fares:

Quote:
For 4/August:
AI 141 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 37847
DL 017 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 80735

For 18/August:
AI 141 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 37847
DL 017 Economy one way BOM-JFK on 4/Aug - INR 75955

Not too good for AI Sad

Nimish, I believe it will take a while for AI to get some traction of this route - and another major factor is the fact that AI is not a member of an international alliance - imagine if AI was part of *A - UA could feed them passengers. And other airline card holders would earn miles - hey mile wh***s do count and while a full-Y return on 141/142 will get a couple of free domestic tickets, I would want something beyond AI/IC to redeem my miles on...
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