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Dreamlifter @ JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:35 pm

Got off the Van wyck before and saw it parked by the Evergreen ramp. Don't know why or how long it is here for.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:47 pm

Guys here seems to believe it came in last night and is leaving later today.

http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7572
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:50 pm

I think it was there when i was at JFK at noon yesterday. I saw something through the other planes that just didn't seem normal. It was taller on the back, and white, but it was obscured by other jets and I was driving. I remember thinking: "is the A380 here? And why would it not have the Airbus or carrier color scheme."

So, I really do think it was there before last night, and the guy who claims otherwise in the thread wasn't paying attention?
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
Dreamlifter @ JFK

All this "Dream" stuff is getting confusing....I saw the thread title and said to myself "how the hell can the 787 be at JFK???" ...... I sure hope they drop the "Dream" once the plane is into regular service.....  mad 
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:09 am

Anyone know why it came here? It was a really nice surprise...and a great way to start my day seeing it parked over at Evergreen!!!
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:54 am

Dreamliner and Dreamlifter look similar, I'll grant that. But simple reading will solve your confusion. The 787 is the Liner. The 747LCF is the Lifter. Confusion solved.

I wasn't confused at all when I read the thread title. I knew exactly what it was.

[Edited 2007-07-25 18:07:13]
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 3):
All this "Dream" stuff is getting confusing....I saw the thread title and said to myself "how the hell can the 787 be at JFK???" ...... I sure hope they drop the "Dream" once the plane is into regular service.....

Skip to the 8th letter.. that'll make your life easier.. if it's an F we're talking about a freighter.. otherwise the pax model  Smile

Seriously, Dreamlifter and Dreamliner are too close but 744 and 748 aren't?? Whisky Tango Foxtrot man..

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 4):
It was a really nice surprise...and a great way to start my day seeing it parked over at Evergreen!!!

Not all that surprising seeing as Evergreen is eventually operating them on contract, aren't they?
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I think it was there when i was at JFK at noon yesterday. I saw something through the other planes that just didn't seem normal. It was taller on the back, and white, but it was obscured by other jets and I was driving. I remember thinking: "is the A380 here? And why would it not have the Airbus or carrier color scheme."

So, I really do think it was there before last night, and the guy who claims otherwise in the thread wasn't paying attention?

It came in last night just after 9pm as an Evergreen flight which would explain why thats where its parked.
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:21 am

Are these going to be painted in evergreen colors when they take over the contracts?
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:27 am

I think they already did take over the contract. They had a PR event at PDX on the 20th to show it off and are advertising it on their website. http://www.evergreenairlines.com/
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:40 am

Probably in for some maintance service, as Evergreen is operating the LCFs for Boeing.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 5):
Dreamliner and Dreamlifter look similar, I'll grant that. But simple reading will solve your confusion. The 787 is the Liner. The 747LCF is the Lifter. Confusion solved.

I wasn't confused at all when I read the thread title. I knew exactly what it was.

Uhh.....thanks, but I know that....what I meant, and should have said it more clearly, is that I just hooked onto the "Dream" and assumed that the thread was about the 787.... smile 
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 11):
Uhh.....thanks, but I know that....what I meant, and should have said it more clearly, is that I just hooked onto the "Dream" and assumed that the thread was about the 787....

Ya, but you didn't expect to get away scott free did you  Wink Now, had the 787 been at JFK I think this thread would be MUCH longer  Wink
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 3):
All this "Dream" stuff is getting confusing....I saw the thread title and said to myself "how the hell can the 787 be at JFK???" ...... I sure hope they drop the "Dream" once the plane is into regular service.....

 checkmark 

This "dream" tagline is getting old already.
The whole Dreamlifter name is kind of silly.
Will the Dreamliner be flown my Dreampilots?
Will the F/As be DreamFlight Attendants?
Will there be a DreamCargoliner?
Will the airlines operating the Dreamliner offer Dreamservice?

*rant over*
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):


This "dream" tagline is getting old already.
The whole Dreamlifter name is kind of silly.
Will the Dreamliner be flown my Dreampilots?
Will the F/As be DreamFlight Attendants?
Will there be a DreamCargoliner?
Will the airlines operating the Dreamliner offer Dreamservice?

Wow... I hope you don't every go to McDonald's and get a McFlurry or some McNuggets.. (I could go on and on and on)...

It's branding. And it's a nomenclature that's MUCH more accessible to the general public. Sure us aviation geeks are happy with 15 letter model numbers, but the general public doesn't know squat about that. If Boeing can, through it's name make aircraft more accessible to the general public, then more power to them. After all, the biggest reason the 747 is such an icon is, IMHO, because of it's nickname.
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 14):
Wow... I hope you don't every go to McDonald's and get a McFlurry or some McNuggets..

Nope, those give me a McTummyache.  Smile

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 14):
It's branding. And it's a nomenclature that's MUCH more accessible to the general public. Sure us aviation geeks are happy with 15 letter model numbers, but the general public doesn't know squat about that. If Boeing can, through it's name make aircraft more accessible to the general public, then more power to them.

It's a 787.
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Nope, those give me a McTummyache.

 rotfl 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
It's a 787.

Yes and a 747 is a 747 except when a member of the general public calls it a Jumbo and don't know what the heck a 747 is.
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
Ya, but you didn't expect to get away scott free did you



My point as well. Simple case of reading and thinking before posting.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Will the F/As be DreamFlight Attendants?

No...they'll be called "Dreamgirls"....and the pax will be "Dreamers".... Big grin

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 17):
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
Ya, but you didn't expect to get away scott free did you

My point as well. Simple case of reading and thinking before posting.

For god's sake, if you read my posts, you'll notice that I clearly said that I saw the thread title and got confused after reading just the word "Dream" and then subsequently made the post (at which time I was quite clear about the fact that it related to the 747LCF)....my point was that the word "Dream" confuses simple folks like me...talk about "reading and thinking before posting"!!!
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
and then subsequently made the post (at which time I was quite clear about the fact that it related to the 747LCF)

If you were clear at that time, why then post a comment? Had it been me, I would not have admitted my err. Anyway... I can't wait to see the 787 in the skies over ATL. Gorgeous aircraft!
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 19):
If you were clear at that time, why then post a comment? Had it been me, I would not have admitted my err. Anyway... I can't wait to see the 787 in the skies over ATL. Gorgeous aircraft!

You're just not getting it....the point of my post is that some people (like me) could get confused between Dreamliner and Dreamlifter....there was no error that I was admitting.....I was referring to the likelihood of confusion that this "Dream" stuff can cause...anyway, just my personal opinion so leave it at that....
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 20):
You're just not getting it....the point of my post is that some people (like me) could get confused between Dreamliner and Dreamlifter....there was no error that I was admitting.....I was referring to the likelihood of confusion that this "Dream" stuff can cause...anyway, just my personal opinion so leave it at that....

Only problem with your point.. the general public will never see a Dreamlifter, nor know it exists, other than to read about it in a press release here and there... so the chances for the general public to be confused are slim to none..

[Edited 2007-07-25 22:26:55]
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 21):
Only problem with your point.. the general public will never see a Dreamlifter, nor know it exists, other than to read about it in a press release here and there... so the chances for the general public to be confused are slim to none..

Yes, but it's also likely that if the marketing people at Boeing get too carried away with the "Dream" stuff, they'll start using the name for all future products....anyway, maybe the general public likes the name....this is just my personal opinion....
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
No...they'll be called "Dreamgirls"....and the pax will be "Dreamers"....

Funny!:D
Sadly that wont fly in this day & age. There will be too many DreamLawyers lining up with complaints winning DreamSettlements.
I guess we can just keep in Dreaming,.....  cloudnine 

So when will the "Dream" be over for the Dreamlifter and wakes up and become an ordinary 747 cargo plane again?
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 22):
Yes, but it's also likely that if the marketing people at Boeing get too carried away with the "Dream" stuff, they'll start using the name for all future products....anyway, maybe the general public likes the name....this is just my personal opinion....

Well I think the next aircraft Boeing cranks out will have some new name... and remember the public/enthusiast community chose the name Dreamliner... Boeing had it put to a vote. I think I voted for the strato* option out of historical tie ins.
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 3):
I sure hope they drop the "Dream" once the plane is into regular service

Hear, hear. Although I must say that the only "dreamliner" in my life is the 777.  Smile
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:38 am

Technically the only Boeing Dreamliner was the B2707.
There were replicas made of it only flew in people's dreams.  cloudnine 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:26 am

Does anyone know the registration of the dreamlifter? I saw her coming into JFK last night, at first I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me, with that oeversized hump Smile
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:54 am

I believe the registration was N780BA.

I watched it depart this aftternoon. Very nice surprise. Looks better in the air than on the ground IMO.

Tom


[edited spelling error and typo on reg]

[Edited 2007-07-26 05:00:38]
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:30 pm

The only way the average Joe down the street would know anything about the Dreamlifter would be to be an aviation enthusiast. It's not something Boeing has publicized very much, if at all. I doubt anyone outside of aviation would even know what it was they were looking at other than to say it's easily one of the strangest contraptions on Earth... and assuming the Dreamlifter livery has not been painted... So, I get your point that it can get confusing. I agree. But chanced are, that if you are a member of this site, you know the difference between the two... and... knowing that the DreamLINER, aka, the 787 has not yet begun flight tests that I know of... to see one in JFK or anywhere outside of Boeing Field would just not be possible.

I'm not trying to be a pot stirrer or be difficult. It's just a little common sense.

I do have to agree though, that this Dream"..." ad strategy has run its course. Time for something new Boeing.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:51 pm

Can't be sure, but I'll wager a bet about the aircraft's purpose at JFK.

The LCF was intended to serve two purposes:
1: To support the 787 program
2: To be used by Evergreen as a commercial cargo aircraft whenever it was available and equipped to handle compatible loads.

I'll bet the plane was in town on a #2 run.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 29):
Time for something new Boeing.

Why on earth would you rebrand an entire product line that is doing so well?
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 31):
Why on earth would you rebrand an entire product line that is doing so well?

So is every new plane to come from Everette to now be named a Dreamliner? It's served it's purpose and brought new brand recognition to Boeing. I don't want to see every plane for the next decade or two in Dreamliner livery.

What about... the new Boeing Dreambomber? Or the Dreamfighter?
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 32):
So is every new plane to come from Everette to now be named a Dreamliner? It's served it's purpose and brought new brand recognition to Boeing. I don't want to see every plane for the next decade or two in Dreamliner livery.

What about... the new Boeing Dreambomber? Or the Dreamfighter?

As aircrafts taking off at night can destroy people's sleep, they could also be called "Dreamspoilers" ..... Big grin

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 29):
to see one in JFK or anywhere outside of Boeing Field would just not be possible.

I'm not trying to be a pot stirrer or be difficult. It's just a little common sense.

Ahh....I'm getting tired of explaining myself....that's exactly what I was saying when I posted....that I got confused when I saw the word "Dream"...automatically assumed that it was about the 787 and thus wondered how on earth the 787 could have been spotted in JFK.....when scanning the thread titles on a.net you just catch a topic that seems interesting and click on it to get the details.....my mistake, but it just lead me to ask why Boeing is still persisting with the Dream thing....
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 33):
Ahh....I'm getting tired of explaining myself....that's exactly what I was saying when I posted....that I got confused when I saw the word "Dream"...automatically assumed that it was about the 787 and thus wondered how on earth the 787 could have been spotted in JFK.....when scanning the thread titles on a.net you just catch a topic that seems interesting and click on it to get the details.....my mistake, but it just lead me to ask why Boeing is still persisting with the Dream thing....


Gr8, relax my friend. My last post was not directed at you. Have a sense of humor. I heartily agree that it can get confusing... thus my musing of Dreambomber, et al.

I have not only been employed in the airline industry, but I also grew up in it with a grandfather who was a foreman in the ATL Delta hangar. I sometimes forget that not everyone on here has the background and knowledge I do. So, my apologies Gr8.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
This "dream" tagline is getting old already.
The whole Dreamlifter name is kind of silly.
Will the Dreamliner be flown my Dreampilots?
Will the F/As be DreamFlight Attendants?
Will there be a DreamCargoliner?
Will the airlines operating the Dreamliner offer Dreamservice?

So, do you own an iMac or an iPod or iPhone? Do you use iChat or an iSight webcam? What about iMovie, or iTunes? Apple has taken the branding thing to the extreme, and doesn't seem to be hurting for it.  Smile

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 31):
Why on earth would you rebrand an entire product line that is doing so well?

Exactly.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Thebry (Reply 35):
So, do you own an iMac or an iPod or iPhone? Do you use iChat or an iSight webcam? What about iMovie, or iTunes?

Hell no to all of the above.

Keep in mind, I am not knocking Boeing at all. I am glad that they are being successful with this product.
I am just pointing out that all of this 'Dream' stuff seems rather silly.
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting Jfr (Reply 30):
To be used by Evergreen as a commercial cargo aircraft whenever it was available and equipped to handle compatible loads.

This is untrue.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 37):
Quoting Jfr (Reply 30):
To be used by Evergreen as a commercial cargo aircraft whenever it was available and equipped to handle compatible loads.

This is untrue.

 checkmark 

Everegreen is a contractor for Boeing. They can't just use it "whenever it was available". It's intended for use for transporting 787 parts only.
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:41 pm

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 32):
What about... the new Boeing Dreambomber? Or the Dreamfighter?

Hmmm.

NightmareBomber and NightmareFighter have a better ring. Sound a bit more menacing...
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 5):
Dreamliner and Dreamlifter look similar,

???

iwok
 
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RE: Dreamlifter @ JFK

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting Iwok (Reply 40):
Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 5):
Dreamliner and Dreamlifter look similar,

???

iwok

Not the planes, just the nomenclature. One says liner. The other say lifter. Both are prefaced with Dream. That's the only similarity I see at all. The planes are very obviously NOT similar in appearance, save for the livery.

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