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IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:49 am

Apparently, IB has finally decided to become a pan-European airline and not just limit themselves to Western Europe. They will be flying with their own metal to WAW and PRG starting next winter schedule, in addition to DME and OTP. Good to see them expand eastward like this.
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:11 am

Good to see more service added to WAW. I was surprised when I found out that IB didn't already fly to WAW.
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:39 am

Hopefully, IB will soon start flying to BUD. Then, IB's network will cover most of the major cities in Eastern Europe. Have the schedules for WAW and PRG been posted yet?
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:38 pm

WAW:
1-3-5-7 arr 13.40 dep 14.30
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:02 pm

IB has recently added 2nd daily flight to DME and started 2/w flights to LED.

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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 2):
Hopefully, IB will soon start flying to BUD

Surprises me how BUD has not been added yet considering MA joined OW on April 1st.
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Surprises me how BUD has not been added yet

And that OTP was served well before WAW and BUD.
Any reason for this? What is going on between Spain and Romania?

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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 6):
And that OTP was served well before WAW and BUD.
Any reason for this? What is going on between Spain and Romania?

Romanians have became the 4th largest community in Spain in the last 10 years, after Morocco, Ecuador and Colombia. And would even grow more (and get wealthier) after becoming EU members last Jan 1st.
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Surprises me how BUD has not been added yet considering MA joined OW on April 1st.

Exactly. and I always thought there was dcent traffic between Hungary and Spain

Quoting WonderFan (Thread starter):
Apparently, IB has finally decided to become a pan-European airline and not just limit themselves to Western Europe. They will be flying with their own metal to WAW and PRG

does this mean that Air europa is doing well on the WAW route. good move from Iberia
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:45 am

In the 1970s, IB flew to both WAW and BUD. Initially, the flights from MAD and BCN stopped in VIE en route to their final destination. Later, these flights were re-routed through MUC. Then, IB stopped flying to Eastern Europe.
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Surprises me how BUD has not been added yet considering MA joined OW on April 1st.

Exactly. and I always thought there was dcent traffic between Hungary and Spain

Quoting WonderFan (Thread starter):
Apparently, IB has finally decided to become a pan-European airline and not just limit themselves to Western Europe. They will be flying with their own metal to WAW and PRG

does this mean that Air europa is doing well on the WAW route. good move from Iberia
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 1):
Good to see more service added to WAW. I was surprised when I found out that IB didn't already fly to WAW.

I know they've flown to WAW before, many decades ago. However, they haven't flown there with their own metal in decades. Before LO became part of Star Alliance, they used to codeshare with them from MAD to WAW on LO metal . When LO joined Star Alliance, they ended this codesharing and began to codeshare w/ BA (via LON).

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 2):
Have the schedules for WAW and PRG been posted yet?

Yeah, the schedules are on IB site and availble for booking.
Also, IB has already issued a press release regarding those flights.

MAD PRG: M:11am-13:35, Tu-Th-Sa: 10:10am-12:45pm, Su:16:05-18:40
PRG MAD: M:14:25-17:15, Tu-Th-Sa: 13:35-16:25, Su:19:30-22:20

MAD WAW: M,W,F, Sa:10:10-13:30
WAW MAD: 14:20-17:50

Quoting LOT767SP-LPA (Reply 3):
WAW:
1-3-5-7 arr 13.40 dep 14.30

You mean dep 10:30 a.m.

Quoting MOW (Reply 4):
IB has recently added 2nd daily flight to DME and started 2/w flights to LED.

Well, as of now, the 2nd daily is not truly a daily but 5x a week. The 2 weekly flights to LED are apparently seasonal and will be replaced by 2 weekly flights to DME as of winter timetable, which would make DME a true double daily.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 5):
Surprises me how BUD has not been added yet considering MA joined OW on April 1st.

Actually, I think it makes perfect sense that IB would choose to not fly to BUD and fly to other Easter European cities. It's about creating synergies within the alliance and avoiding redundancies. MA doesn't really have a long haul network that IB may be interested in tapping into, nor do they have a domestic network of any significance. By letting MA fly to MAD alone and bringing passengers to IB (domestic and long haul), it boosts both airlines.

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 6):
And that OTP was served well before WAW and BUD.
Any reason for this? What is going on between Spain and Romania?

There are over 500,000 Romanians in Spain. They represent the second largest immigrant community in Spain, after Moroccans and before Equatorians.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 7):
Romanians have became the 4th largest community in Spain in the last 10 years, after Morocco, Ecuador and Colombia. And would even grow more (and get wealthier) after becoming EU members last Jan 1st.

Actually, Romanians have surpassed Ecuatorians and Columbians and are now the second largest immigrant community in Spain (524.995 Romanians in Spain)

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians

and

http://www.ine.es/inebase/cgi/axi?AX...DO=SELECCION&CGI_URL=/inebase/cgi/

Quoting Airclapton (Reply 8):
Exactly. and I always thought there was dcent traffic between Hungary and Spain

Like I said above, the idea is to create synergies. Traffic between MAD and BUD may be decent but it is not that dense of a route. Also, MA is a modest airline which does not have that many destinations. This route means more to them than it does to IB. Therefore, IB and MA prefer to boost each other with IB leaving all the passengers to MA. This strategy is apparently working since MA is increasing its flights to MAD from 1 daily to 11 weekly as of next winter schedule.
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting WonderFan (Reply 11):
MA doesn't really have a long haul network that IB may be interested in tapping into, nor do they have a domestic network of any significance

Didn't know MA european network was that poor, if so what's the benefit for OW alliance in adding a new partner like this?
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 12):
Didn't know MA european network was that poor, if so what's the benefit for OW alliance in adding a new partner like this?

They can bring a lot pax to IB and BA, in the same way that Royal Jordanian can as a OneWorld member. By the way, I never said their European network was poor, although they obviously don't have the biggest of networks. Also, because of their location, where their network would shine, if it were to be used by Western European partner airlines, is in Eastern Europe. However, many Western European airlines would find it more lucrative to fly to major Eastern European destinations themselves (in part to boost their long haul and in part to reap the benefit by themselves) rather than connecting in BUD via MA.
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:44 pm

Quoting LOT767SP-LPA (Reply 3):
WAW:
1-3-5-7 arr 13.40 dep 14.30

Am I missing something? Why should it be such a big deal that IB should start flying to both PRG and WAW? Their schedule is rubbish and basically useless considering that most northern and central European airlines offer various flights a day to both cities as well as to both BCN and MAD, thus providing various connections a day. Rather than a flight which does not even operate on a daily basis, making it de facto useless for the high yield business traveller.
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting WonderFan (Reply 11):
Actually, Romanians have surpassed Ecuatorians and Columbians and are now the second largest immigrant community in Spain (524.995 Romanians in Spain)

Actually, there is also a large Bulgarian communitiy in Spain (upwards of 100.000). Anybody sees IB flying to SOF in the near future?
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 14):
Am I missing something? Why should it be such a big deal that IB should start flying to both PRG and WAW? Their schedule is rubbish and basically useless considering that most northern and central European airlines offer various flights a day to both cities as well as to both BCN and MAD, thus providing various connections a day. Rather than a flight which does not even operate on a daily basis, making it de facto useless for the high yield business traveller.

IB is always conservative on new routes, one can look at DME, SVO, IAD, BOS, etc. Frequency increase to 6xweek or even daily will depend on how they take shape.

Quoting WonderFan (Reply 11):
MAD PRG: M:11am-13:35, Tu-Th-Sa: 10:10am-12:45pm, Su:16:05-18:40
PRG MAD: M:14:25-17:15, Tu-Th-Sa: 13:35-16:25, Su:19:30-22:20

MAD WAW: M,W,F, Sa:10:10-13:30
WAW MAD: 14:20-17:50

Scheduling seems to be oriented for local trafic (VFR & tourism) because they don't fit for IB long haul connections except for the few late night departures.
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:34 pm

IB's low cost arm, clickair, has been operating flights to WAW and PRG, as well as BUD, OTP and other eastern European destinations for some time now, so I don't really see the point in IB opening these routes, especially as the schedule does not seem to connect to any long haul flights, nor does it seem suitable for business travellers.
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 17):
IB's low cost arm, clickair, has been operating flights to WAW and PRG, as well as BUD, OTP and other eastern European destinations for some time now, so I don't really see the point in IB opening these routes

Why not? Clickair operates from BCN and Iberia from MAD. Also XG is a "point to point" airline and IB is a "hub and spoke" carrier, so it seems they are targeting different passengers.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 16):
Scheduling seems to be oriented for local trafic

   You're absolutely right. The schedules fit very well with Spaniards' needs, and particularly in the case of PRG, which is one of the most touristic cities in Eastern Europe for us. Iberia's intentions are clear, since they have schedules that allow passengers to spend a 3 days weekend there.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 14):
Their schedule is rubbish and basically useless considering that most northern and central European airlines offer various flights a day to both cities as well as to both BCN and MAD, thus providing various connections a day. Rather than a flight which does not even operate on a daily basis, making it de facto useless for the high yield business traveller.

I disagree. First of all, the purpose of the flights is local touristic traffic, as Upperdeckfan said. Secondly, in the case of PRG, IB has a codeshare agreement with CSA. This allows any passenger to but at iberia.com their tickets with IB code (either operated on their own or codeshared), and thus have good schedules (up to 4 flights along the day: early morning at 7am; morning at 10am; noon at 2pm; and afternoon-night at 5pm) both for connecting and for business passengers.

If you want to travel to PRG because of business, you can leave MAD any day at 7:30 and arrive at 10:30 and take the return flight at 19:55 and land at 22:50. If you are a connecting passenger, IB's schedules (MAD-PRG way) are superb, since they permit people from any point of Spain to take the flight (thus also gather buz pax from Seville, Bilbao, Valencia, etc. that cannot take the early morning flight of CSA), as well as pax coming from European capitals, and pax arriving at MAD from any destination in the US or Latam/African country with IB (most of the flights arrive from 7am to 8am). For the PRG-MAD way, connections are good for any Spanish destination, some European capitals (Paris, Rome, Lisbon, London, Tel Aviv, Athens...) and also African destinations, as well as late-night Latam flights (EZE, MVD, SCL, MEX, GIG...). Also notice that someone can buy a IB ticket with a mixture of IB and CSA flights and this allows also decent connections to the Caribbean, the US, etc.

The IB flight itself allows a good number of connections, but the IB+CSA flights permit almost any connection, except BOS and IAD, just to point out two examples.

What is clear is that IB is not focusing in people from PRG/WAW, but rather in Spaniards, some Europeans, and also persons coming from the US.

[Edited 2007-08-01 18:14:26]
 
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RE: IB Finally In WAW And PRG

Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting WonderFan (Reply 15):
Anybody sees IB flying to SOF in the near future?

Good point. Probably they will, but in my opinion only if they can get connecting passengers, since point to point passengers (for instance, inmigrants) can be easily targeted by Easyjet (that also started flights to Eastern Europe for inmigrants) or Ryanair.

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