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AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:00 pm

AirTran will initiate 1x daily nonstop service between STL- SRQ effective 11/15

Flight 591 8AM-11:25AM STL-SRQ
Flight 797 5:45PM-7:10PM SRQ-STL


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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:03 pm

they must be adding/altering an ATL turn as well?
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
they must be adding/altering an ATL turn as well?

I have not seen any other additions. Could possibly be a prelude to more new service. They will do very well on this route, AX attempted to run it on an ER4 and supposedly it had good loads however the fare to stage length ratio for the RJ was not great, or at least this was the consensus on Airliners.net.

This is a great example of where AirTran will have an advantage and be able to make a route work with the 717 vs an RJ. I have said numerous times the 717 was the perfect aircraft for the STL market, AirTran will continue to see this as it adds 717s to this market. TWA realized this and AA let them go, now they are competing against their old aircraft -at least on ATL and MCO runs.

[Edited 2007-07-28 16:25:56]
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:29 pm

Lots and lots of people in IL and MO vacation along the florida gulf coast..should do well...do they also fly STL-RSW...how many gates in STL does FL have?

With WN labor costs being so high now, a FL 717 with 117 seats must have lower CASM than a WN 73G with 138 seats.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
they must be adding/altering an ATL turn as well?

Perhaps supplementing current service. TRS695 is currently listed as an SRQ-ATL and an ATL-SRQ flight. Maybe this particular flight has a large enough number of pax continuing on to STL from SRQ to make a 1X a day STL-SRQ-STL flight viable. I remember back in 2000, FL did a similar thing in regards to an evening MCO-ATL-CAK flight because the bulk of the passengers were continuing on to CAK (This flight came into the gates I was working and most nights, the local bag and transfer bag drivers really didn't have much to do when that flight came in).
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:03 am

This is good news. I hope they add more service to Florida in the future. They should do well on this route.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 3):
how many gates in STL does FL have?

Currently they have one gate, B12 but in some of the airport meeting discussions they were talking about Airtran possibly adding a second gate in the near future, B8.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:28 am

I had predicted that STL would be the new IND. They also announced STL-BWI/PHL according to a previous thread, so the Florida focus cities should all be coming soon. FL will add non-WN routes first, but they can do well against WN in STL. FL is more similar to TW than WN...assigned boarding, business class, and best fares on the website, not waiting on a 'ding.'. If the YX goes through, I actually expect expansion at STL rather thab MCI over the longhaul: WN is weaker in STL and STL is better for conx.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 5):
Currently they have one gate, B12 but in some of the airport meeting discussions they were talking about Airtran possibly adding a second gate in the near future, B8.

Ithink it's B10 actually. They already have the jay line painted at that gate. No sign of construction though from what I can see.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:42 am

Sarasota, huh? Didn't see this one coming. This should be the first of probably 3 or 4 more new destinations.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
They will do very well on this route, AX attempted to run it on an ER4 and supposedly it had good loads however the fare to stage length ratio for the RJ was not great, or at least this was the consensus on Airliners.net.

I believe someone from Trans States flat out said that was the reason.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 6):
WN is weaker in STL and STL is better for conx.

Facts that WN is weaker at STL?


Not really, WN has gotten stronger, much stronger at STL.

Back in 2000, 2001, STL was one of the worst stations for SWA, now move to 2007, WN is doing fantastic at STL, has added a few cities to the market since 2001, with the addition of FLL, LAX, DAL and many more new routes. WN is very happy with STL and even has hinted at more new routes.

Now how long before STLgph comes in and disputes everything I just said....  Yeah sure

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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 9):
Not really, WN has gotten stronger, much stronger at STL.

I don't think he's questioning WN's strength at STL, just in comparison to MCI. MCI is easily the stronger station for the reason being they don't have some other carrier with a reasonably loyal frequent flier base offering 180 flights a day. While they do have YX, you can't compare that to AA's operation here. At least yet....

After looking at FL's route network, I'm surprised SRQ is that big for them. I never would have guessed.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:17 am

does anyone think AA will bring back STL-SRQ, or will they just leave FL to serve the STL-SRQ market exclusively?

[Edited 2007-07-28 18:18:48]
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 8):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
They will do very well on this route, AX attempted to run it on an ER4 and supposedly it had good loads however the fare to stage length ratio for the RJ was not great, or at least this was the consensus on Airliners.net.

I believe someone from Trans States flat out said that was the reason.

They were charging $400 roundtrip into Sarasota. Why pay $400 when you can fly into Tampa, drive the 30 minutes and pay $140?

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 9):

SWA has been "doing well and hinting at new service" for what ... ten years now?

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 3):
With WN labor costs being so high now, a FL 717 with 117 seats must have lower CASM than a WN 73G with 138 seats.

And you come up with this where?

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 6):
They also announced STL-BWI/PHL according to a previous thread, so the Florida focus cities should all be coming soon.

Oh really now?
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 10):

You know that sounds like what he was doing, my apologies, however yes WN is stronger at MCI then at STL but to say weaker seems a bit harsh, I'd say each holds their own for WN.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
SWA has been "doing well and hinting at new service" for what ... ten years now?

No, WN has been very blunt about how STL performance has been, and hinting at new service, well they have added new service in since 2001, LAX, FLL, DAL, has added frequency at DAL, MDW, MCO, HOU, LAS, BWI...

Oh well not the time to argue about WN at STL....

Congrats for STL, hope Air Tran does well.

I do see competition coming from Air Tran for us at WN here in STL.

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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:45 am

Indeed, I was comparing WN @ STL to WN @ MCI. As to the BWI/PHL routes, if you do a search, you'll find it. I can't positvely recall if there was ever an official press release posted. I can't access the search function presently, as I'm on my Blackberry.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:48 am

So is this going to be seasonal like IND, DTW and BOS? Looking at 10 flights a day from SRQ, I would think that is about the limit for 1 gate. If FL wanted to add more flights they would need to lease another gate and I don't know if that is feasible for an additional 1 or 2 flights. The schedule is mostly 737's during the season as well. It would be nice to have a flight to PHL and PIT. When US ran those the O&D was very high.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):

Wake me when the flights come.

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 14):
if you do a search, you'll find it.

Nope.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 16):

Dude I just told you three new routes/cities WN added since 2001.

On Top of the freqeuncies as well.

If that doesn't satisfy you then forget it.

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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 17):
Dude I just told you three new routes/cities WN added since 2001

Three over the last 6 years? Seriously, that's massive.

AirTran's apparently added 3 new cities and routes in 7 months.

EDIT -- Still waiting for the official word of course

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 15):
So is this going to be seasonal like IND, DTW and BOS?

I'd say yes. Sarasota traffic drops tremendously out of season.

[Edited 2007-07-28 19:08:54]
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:53 am

It's always nice to see STL with some additional flights. B councourse is a little dreary but the 'tran has it all to theirselves and has plenty of room to grow.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 14):
Indeed, I was comparing WN @ STL to WN @ MCI. As to the BWI/PHL routes, if you do a search, you'll find it. I can't positvely recall if there was ever an official press release posted. I can't access the search function presently, as I'm on my Blackberry.

Baltimore and Philadelphia came from the mouths of a few FL employees to a person I know, then relayed on to me. I was led to believe that they were starting and that was that.

When I was interviewing with AirTran about a potential corporate gig after I complete my obligations in St. Louis, I was told Florida and East coast were going to happen. I assume more is on the way....
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:36 am

Ah, thanks for clearing that up!
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):

I can't see why you are making hard on atrude777. He has tell ya what WN has been doing at STL. He has plenty of good info on WN and how WN are doing at STL. He is trying his best to tell you all of the info that you want to know.

Quoting Highliner2 (Reply 19):

I think that is good that AirTran are trying to expand more flights out of STL. It would be good use to Terminal B that are dull looking. At least it will be bring to alive again soon when that new routes start.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 10):
don't think he's questioning WN's strength at STL, just in comparison to MCI. MCI is easily the stronger station for the reason being they don't have some other carrier with a reasonably loyal frequent flier base offering 180 flights a day. While they do have YX, you can't compare that to AA's operation here. At least yet....

I agree. STL may well be a profitable station for WN, but it doesn't even crack the top 10 stations in terms of size of WN operations. AA is still the king of the hill in STL, for the moment.

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 10):
After looking at FL's route network, I'm surprised SRQ is that big for them. I never would have guessed.

I agree. I would have guessed RSW before SRQ, as long as we're talking about the gulf coast.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:15 am

I can see the guys at the ground contract company now moaning and one in particular. Those guys are going to die down there thanks to that airline. heres to my little hometown SRQ and expansion of service. CMHSRQ is correct though about needing a new gate because when I worked down there we ran into dual ops all the time and would commandeer gate B10 I beleive was the number to the right of the FL gate from NWA and work duals from there. They need to expand the operation and the comapny which I am so intimately familliar with down there needs to commence a serious hiring spreee.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 23):

Sarasota is a "new" city and AirTran is best to capitalize off of any market growth with the addition of a city that is not already served by the other airlines. If it was Ft. Myers, AA has its loyal fliers leaving the spill over over for nonstop demands to USA 3000, who is already charging fares that I suspect would make for interesting competition or make it hard for AirTran to compete with in general, especially coming in with [email protected]

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 22):

Yes, and he'll be repeating the same postings word for word a year from now.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 11):
does anyone think AA will bring back STL-SRQ, or will they just leave FL to serve the STL-SRQ market exclusively?

Any return of American Airlines to SRQ will be from Miami.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:21 am

In which case it would be an Eagle flight but a reliable source I am very close to since my leaving of that area who worked for eagle there seems to beleive that eagle will not return to SRQ. There are a few people who are quite bitter with eagle from their previous venture therre still.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:22 am

TWA allways had a full flight from STL-SRQ-STL. And they where flying the Mad Dog. I flew TWA from DTW to SRQ alot because it was the only decend evening flight I could get. But, any how the flight was full everytime.

Good luck AirTran

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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 28):
TWA allways had a full flight from STL-SRQ-STL. And they where flying the Mad Dog. I flew TWA from DTW to SRQ alot because it was the only decend evening flight I could get. But, any how the flight was full everytime.

Actually, that routeing was STL-SRQ-PBI-SRQ and than in the morning it continued to STL. I do not recall the frequincies but I re call that it was the routeing.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:32 am

N710SP You are correct on the routing. However, near the end of their life they drop RSW (then FYM) But, for years it was the way you stated.

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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 25):
Yes, and he'll be repeating the same postings word for word a year from now.

If he wants to do that then it is fine with me. He is trying his best to give out the informations about WN at STL. I really enjoy all of his information about WN. If he wants to say same word for word let him. I do not mind that.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 17):

I really learn a lot more about WN and I sure apprecation all of your WN comments or another things. I am looking forward to more of WN or AA if you know something about them  Smile
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 31):
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 17):


I really learn a lot more about WN and I sure apprecation all of your WN comments or another things. I am looking forward to more of WN or AA if you know something about them

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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:32 am

Does anyone know where this plane is coming from to do this route? This plane isn't actually going to be sitting on the ground from 7:10pm to 8am every day, seems a waist of resources if that is the case?
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 33):
Does anyone know where this plane is coming from to do this route? This plane isn't actually going to be sitting on the ground from 7:10pm to 8am every day, seems a waist of resources if that is the case?

That is a perfectly normal overnight schedule (RON).
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:42 am

It'll be interchanged with Atlanta flights.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 10):
After looking at FL's route network, I'm surprised SRQ is that big for them. I never would have guessed.

SRQ has been a strong market with growth potential and lacking a LCC.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 11):
does anyone think AA will bring back STL-SRQ, or will they just leave FL to serve the STL-SRQ market exclusively?

IMO, AA is not committed to STL. AA competes with itself given the proximity of STL & ORD.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:44 pm

Here is a small article from the STL Post if anyone is interested in reading:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/bus...D71FE862573280007BC84?OpenDocument
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:35 pm

It says FL is going to apply for incentives that STL offers for new routes. I believe SRQ also offers incentives for new routes as well. As do most airports. This could be a win-win-win for SRQ-STL and FL. I hope the expansion continues at both.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:09 am

AirTran will pull this route (STL-SRQ) as soon as subsidies from Sarasota run out. The people in SRQ raised hell a couple years ago when they pulled back the first time.

I think AA will let this one slide, but if AirTran starts TPA and RSW service, I expect that AA will respond. STL-TPA is served pretty well by 2x AA, 3xWN, and the USA 3000 flights (winter schedule).

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 36):
IMO, AA is not committed to STL. AA competes with itself given the proximity of STL & ORD.

I disagree. AA has a very optimal station in STL, and by many sources, it and MIA were the only profitable hubs in 2003/2004 and part of 2005, and STL was the most profitable on a size/flight basis. Business travelers in STL do and will continue to rely on AA, much to the disappointment of Air Tran and Southwest.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting MoMan (Reply 39):

I think AA will let this one slide, but if AirTran starts TPA and RSW service, I expect that AA will respond. STL-TPA is served pretty well by 2x AA, 3xWN, and the USA 3000 flights (winter schedule).

I doubt American Airlines will not respond regardless. They have never bothered responding to AirTran's MIA build-ups (they have added MDW, IND, BWI, and MCI this year) and they didn't respond much to the DFW build-up (outside of fare sales), and those are much more valuable assets.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting MoMan (Reply 39):
I disagree. AA has a very optimal station in STL, and by many sources, it and MIA were the only profitable hubs in 2003/2004 and part of 2005, and STL was the most profitable on a size/flight basis. Business travelers in STL do and will continue to rely on AA, much to the disappointment of Air Tran and Southwest.

With all due fairness, at that that time, the hub was just re-worked with that singular goal in mind. I'm sure if ORD was re-worked and loss leaders were removed and moved to DFW/MIA, it easily would have been profitable.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting MoMan (Reply 39):
AirTran will pull this route (STL-SRQ) as soon as subsidies from Sarasota run out. The people in SRQ raised hell a couple years ago when they pulled back the first time

Are you talking about new route incentives that the airport offers to all carriers for new routes? Or the grant that was awarded for FL service in 04, that ended in the fall of 06? When did they pull back the first time? FL has done nothing but expand and add flights from SRQ. Yes they pulled daily LGA and BOS but in turn added another ATL and MDW. Year over year FL has increased flights. That airline saved SRQ and I believe that most people familiar with SRQ and FL will agree with me. I'm guessing that this flight will be seasonal like the IND, DTW, and Sat BOS service
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:53 am

STL to TPA is only 1x daily. Unfortunately. THe 6am flight out of STL was set up to fail by AA. No chance for connecting pax at 6am. Not gonna fill an MD80 that way. So its yanked. Might come back in Dec. It could easily be 2 a day if they did a overnighter in TPA instead of it up in STL, also if they want the 6am flight out of STL make it on an RJ.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 43):
STL to TPA is only 1x daily. Unfortunately. THe 6am flight out of STL was set up to fail by AA. No chance for connecting pax at 6am. Not gonna fill an MD80 that way. So its yanked. Might come back in Dec. It could easily be 2 a day if they did a overnighter in TPA instead of it up in STL, also if they want the 6am flight out of STL make it on an RJ.

The added TPA flight has been operating on a seasonal basis for the past, I think, three years. So I don't think it was a failure. They haven't loaded the seasonal additions to Florida yet and I don't know if they will resume FLL or not.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 42):
That airline saved SRQ and I believe that most people familiar with SRQ and FL will agree with me. I'm guessing that this flight will be seasonal like the IND, DTW, and Sat BOS service

 checkmark   checkmark  I completely agree. If it were not for them it would be a bad deal at SRQ. They saved it as they forced Delta to stick around and compete the heck out of them and Delta and them remain neck in neck on thew routes they compete on.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 41):
With all due fairness, at that that time, the hub was just re-worked with that singular goal in mind. I'm sure if ORD was re-worked and loss leaders were removed and moved to DFW/MIA, it easily wou
[quote=ExpressJet_ERJ,reply=43]STL to TPA is only 1x daily. Unfortunately. THe 6am flight out of STL was set up to fail by AA. No chance for connecting pax at 6am. Not gonna fill an MD80 that way. So its yanked. Might come back in Dec. It could easily be 2 a day if they did a overnighter in TPA instead of it up in STL, also if they want the 6am flight out of STL make it on an RJ.

AA has shown a propensity for combining an early morning and early afternoon TPA departures from STL, for whatever reason. I really liked their late afternoon flight of 2005 (4:45 PM). I wish TPA had similar schedules as MCO.

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 44):
The added TPA flight has been operating on a seasonal basis for the past, I think, three years. So I don't think it was a failure. They haven't loaded the seasonal additions to Florida yet and I don't know if they will resume FLL or not.

It was year round from fall 2005-spring 2007. Good loads last summer, so I'm surprised they dropped it this year. Last summer the TPA-STL flights were 11:40 and 3:45 PM. I regularly flew both. Now we're back to the 5:50 PM only. I'm sure they will add the 11:40 AM flight back somewhere between 11/1 and 12/18. (It was added around 12/15/05, and dropped around 4/7/07)

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 41):
With all due fairness, at that that time, the hub was just re-worked with that singular goal in mind. I'm sure if ORD was re-worked and loss leaders were removed and moved to DFW/MIA, it easily would have been profitable.

Fair point.

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 42):
Are you talking about new route incentives that the airport offers to all carriers for new routes? Or the grant that was awarded for FL service in 04, that ended in the fall of 06?

I remember an airline accepting grants and then pulling out of SRQ...I thought it was Air Tran but it may have been Delta. I still do not see the loads being on this STL-SRQ route, but I Might give it a shot once just to see how they're doing.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:03 pm

I flew FL into SRQ from recently. Nice crew, nice flight, only 1.5 hours late.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 36):
SRQ has been a strong market with growth potential and lacking a LCC.

I've never understood why CO hasn't put a 735 on the IAH route during the season. If FL can pull off STL with a 717 or 73G, maybe CO will see the light. They've occasionally put a 735 on the IAH run for certain days, but generally it's a 50 seat.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:08 am

Because the demand is spread out through the day for IAH and it's connections. That is why alot of the international business goes to Delta at SRQ. I agree though. The ERJ leaves at 1100 in the morning if memory serves corect and when I worked in SRQ that thing was always a full boat. Even in the summer time that thing was packed. Their station manager whom I know very well down there has tried for it a few times.
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RE: AirTran To Begin STL-SRQ

Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting N710PS (Reply 48):
Because the demand is spread out through the day for IAH and it's connections.

not really. to take passengers from the west, the flight leaves at about 7pm, then RONs at SRQ. IAH connections are not all throughout the day. and frankly, they don't seem to care too much about that at EWR or CLE.

the fact is, the ERJ/CRJ IAH-SRQ is always full, usually way ahead of time, and is oversold quite a bit. But I guess a jump to 114 seat is too much. it's one reason CO really needs a 76 seater, but they can't get the pilot's union on board.
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