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Updates From Bolivia

Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:27 pm

After a long time a breath of fresh air: LB to fly again soon!

http://www.lostiempos.com/noticias/31-07-07/economia.php (sorry, only in Spanish).

The new investor company, Swiss Transatlantic Corporation, has been negotiating some time and in previous press releases they assured a quick restart of LAB Airlines, to refresh the fleet (probably with 733), and to quickly pay former debts of LB.

Does anyone of you know Swiss Transatlantic Corporation? Any infos welcome!

On the other hand TAB = Transportes Aereos Bolivianos have signed a deal with Cielos de America to get a DC-10 for cargo services. Pres releases re rather vague.

5L = Aero Sur indicated that after Salta, the next destination forseen is Panama.

TAM (=Transporte Aéreo Militar) is hoping aroud Bolivia with their BAE 146 (I think it´s a -200) confirming quite right, it´s the most modern aircraft in fleets of Bolivia now (the B757/A330 used by 5L are wetleased and used on international routes only).
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:33 pm

This is great.
It´s always good to see a latinamerican aviation company taking off for a change.
Welcome back LAB!
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting 123 (Thread starter):
5L = Aero Sur indicated that after Salta, the next destination forseen is Panama.

Is PTY going to be stop enroute to MEX or MIA?
Since CM hasn't show that much interest in flying to VVI just now, could 5L be taking code-share with CM?
What's going to happen if LB restarts operations and keeps PTY? Would 5L be able to fly to PTY too?
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:51 am

Glad to hear updated news from Bolivia !!
5L signed an alliance agreement with TA in order to provide connection and reduced flying times, then 5L may not codeshare with CM.
TA has been linking Bolivia with LIM. We can even find sometimes VVI-LIM and LPB-LIM. The other days operates as VVI-LPB-LIM. I didn´t understand why CM has ignored this market.
Due the extreme altitude in LPB, we can´t expect long nonstop flights leaving from El Alto International Airport. I guess AA is still operating as MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA using B757.
Gol G3 operates Bolivia running VVI-CGR lately at night then connecting with any other destinations in Brazil. Any new track from VVI?
Regards
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 3):
TA has been linking Bolivia with LIM. We can even find sometimes VVI-LIM and LPB-LIM. The other days operates as VVI-LPB-LIM. I didn´t understand why CM has ignored this market.

CM could try to tag-on VVI to LIM, but maybe because marketing reasons (they say they like to serve destinations non-stop) and because they don't want to reduce the amount of seats available for LIM on an eventual PTY-LIM-VVI, they've not started Bolivia via LIM at all.
CM does have rights to fly to Bolivia already, but its aircrafts aren't equipped to fly into LPB.
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):

Is PTY going to be stop enroute to MEX or MIA?

It depends on LAB's ability to acquire aircraft. If they can get a 757, then PTY will not be a stop. However, LAB currently plans only on resuming international flights to Buenos Aires, Miami, and Sao Paulo.
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:12 am

I have a soft spot in my aviation heart for LAB. I flew them from Miami to Bolivia and to Cuzco. I am happy to hear that they have investors.
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
However, LAB currently plans only on resuming international flights to Buenos Aires, Miami, and Sao Paulo.

Due to JJ CGH crash, any new international operations @ GRU won't be allowed, since GRU must now take a lot of CGH flights.
If LB already lost it's GRU slots, which I think happened, LB may not be able to return to Sâo Paulo, unless they dare to fly to VVI-VCP.
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:36 pm

Great news abouyt LAB!

Quoting 123 (Thread starter):
5L = Aero Sur indicated that after Salta, the next destination forseen is Panama



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
However, LAB currently plans only on resuming international flights to Buenos Aires, Miami, and Sao Paulo.

What happened with 5L plans to Santiago? and will LB resume us as well?

Regards
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:23 pm

AeroSur has leased an Air Comet A330-200 (EC-KDF).

Fuerza Aérea Boliviana has also get a former Centurion Air Cargo DC-10-10 (MSN 46903). Are there more informations about it? Pictures?
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:29 pm

I wish all the best to LB. Bolivia has a warm place in my heart.

Question though, can TAM use the 146 on flights to RBQ? Rurranabaque? After all, its only a grass field and for the moment they are using a F27 to run their flights...

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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 9):
AeroSur has leased an Air Comet A330-200 (EC-KDF).

Hi Viasa,

this aircraft is used twice a week to fly from MAD to VVI (on friday and sunday). The rest of the week is operating from both MAD and BCN to PUJ, CUN, AZS and SJO. Any sticker with Aerosur titles in EC-KDF.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
What happened with 5L plans to Santiago?

Any schedule published until year end...

Regards,

Gerard
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4):
CM could try to tag-on VVI to LIM, but maybe because marketing reasons (they say they like to serve destinations non-stop) and because they don't want to reduce the amount of seats available for LIM on an eventual PTY-LIM-VVI, they've not started Bolivia via LIM at all.
CM does have rights to fly to Bolivia already, but its aircrafts aren't equipped to fly into LPB.

Would a CM Embraer be able to do PTY-VVI nonstop?
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 9):
Fuerza Aérea Boliviana has also get a former Centurion Air Cargo DC-10-10

As per our press, it is TAB (Transportes Aereos Bolivianos, which underly the FAB); Also the press talks about a DC-10 (not clear what version) of Cielos de America. No idea what is correct now!

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
What happened with 5L plans to Santiago?

They should fly immediatelly as it is a problem to get to SCL now: Lan has bad operation times and is very expensive. Conex times from interior Bolivia (other than VVI/LPB) are terrible, and the flight times ex VVI are not considered as human either.

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
TAM use the 146 on flights to RBQ? Rurranabaque? After all, its only a grass field and for the moment they are using a F27

As far as i know, they use the 146 for LPB/CBB/SRZ-VVI/TDD, SRE, TJA routes and of course for many government charters. RBQ as I know is not apt for large aircraft.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4):
CM does have rights to fly to Bolivia already, but its aircrafts aren't equipped to fly into LPB

CM should target to CBB or VVI: CBB has a large market of traders that fly to PTY to go shopping in the free trading zone of Panama
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
What happened with 5L plans to Santiago?

Some new destinations are projected according 5L´s website: MEX, CCS, SCL and others.
LIM is being served using a codeshare with TA.
The fleet looked older as compared with the equipment utilized in Bolivia by G3, LA and TA.
5L includes B737-200 and B727-200 operating about 20 years ago. B727-200 serves other destinations in Bolivia such as Cochabamba (CBB) and Sucre (SRE).
Both 5L and LB may acquire new equipment in response to these airlines listed above.

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 12):
Would a CM Embraer be able to do PTY-VVI nonstop?

I don´t believe so. PTY-VVI is 1936 nm. CM operates ERJ-190-100IGW that established a maximum of 1800 nm when completely loaded. The LR version operates up to 2300 nm.
CM has utilized ERJ-190 on PTY-MAO. Distance: 1446 nm.
Regards.
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 14):
Both 5L and LB may acquire new equipment in response to these airlines listed above.

This is the best wish I have heard of in ages! In Bolivia, you fly what you get. You don´t demand modern aircraft. If only your suggestion will come true!
 
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RE: Updates From Bolivia

Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 12):
Would a CM Embraer be able to do PTY-VVI nonstop?



Quoting 123 (Reply 13):
CM should target to CBB or VVI: CBB has a large market of traders that fly to PTY to go shopping in the free trading zone of Panama

PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) GDL (20°31'18"N 103°18'40"W) 298° (NW) 1547 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MTY (25°46'43"N 100°06'25"W) 312° (NW) 1548 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MAO (03°02'19"S 60°02'59"W) 121° (SE) 1365 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) VVI (17°38'41"S 63°08'07"W) 148° (SE) 1865 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) CBB (17°25'16"S 66°10'38"W) 153° (SE) 1766 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) AQP (16°20'28"S 71°34'59"W) 162° (S) 1587 nm
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) IAD (38°56'40"N 77°27'21"W) 3° (N) 1790 nm

I don't think CM E190 have the range to fly full-load PTY-VVI non-stop, neither PTY-CBB; same reason why CM doesn't fly E190 to IAD.
MAO isn't CM longest E190 flight, it's GDL or MTY whenever P5 will fly for CM; This means that AQP (altitude restirictions) could be a CM E190 destination one day.
I'm sure that PTY-LIM-CBB, PTY-LIM-VVI, PTY-AQP-VVI or even PTY-AQP-CBB would look very interesting, but given CM apprehension to fly one-stop to Southamerica, those flights might never happen, and P5 BOG-VVI or BOG-LIM-VVI? I really don't think so.
BTW, are AQP and CBB open 24/7?

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