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DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:40 pm

Looking at DL's schedules for September, it seems that they're increasing frequency on some of their flights to LAX from other West Coast cities. For instance, effective early September, SEA and PDX both go to 4x daily on the ERJ (up from 2 flights at SEA and 1 at PDX, with SEA losing mainline after the summer).

Other cities are seeing similar frequencies, including DEN, LAS, and PHX.

On the other hand, some of the Mexico service has been dropped.

Looking at all this, brings up a few questions. First, are these flights really doing that well, or is DL increasing frequency to try and be more appealing? And second, are these flights mainly O&D, or is there a high percentage of connections?

Regardless, I'm glad to see another carrier competing seriously in the West. Other legacies (especially AA) have really cut their intra-Western region flights. I'm glad to see someone challenging AS, UA, and WN.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Thread starter):
Looking at all this, brings up a few questions. First, are these flights really doing that well, or is DL increasing frequency to try and be more appealing? And second, are these flights mainly O&D, or is there a high percentage of connections?

It's a mixture. DL's LAX-California and West Coast cities have seen great loads, but who knows whether they are profitable. DL wants LAX to be a hub for them, which means lots of flights with lots of connectivity. DL can't offer that with two daily LAX-SEA flights, hence the additions. In the future, however, DL will need to offer aircraft equipped with F in order to draw in premium passengers from airlines like UA and AS. I've heard that OH could set up an operational base at LAX next year to offer some CRJ-900 flights from LAX to places like DFW, AUS, SAT, IAH, and more; but for now I'll believe it when I see it. DL's route network, however, from LAX will be pretty extensive this fall, with service to:

SEA
PDX
GEG
EUG
YVR
BOI
SFO
SMF
SJC
OAK
LAS
RNO
SAN
PHX
DEN
MFE
OKC
ICT
SLC
HNL
OGG
CVG
ATL
MSY
JAX
MCO
FLL
TPA
CMH
RDU
JFK
BOS
BDL
ACA
BZE
CUN
GDL
GUA
LIR
MGA (winter resume)
PVR
CUL
HMO
ZIH
LAP
LMM
BJX
LTO
ZLO
MZT
SFE (starts December)
TRC
ZCL

And not too long from now: (all rumored)
NRT
ICN
NGO
???

If that's not a hub, I don't know what is.

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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:05 pm

Yes but I think to get seriously competitive, and IF they want to try to go after O&D traffic, DL will need to go with mainline in the long run, especially where they are competing with WN and AS, and particularly the longer flights.

Many times I have hoped that DL would try to get back some of the former glory of Western! That appears to be happening in some form at least.

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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:53 pm

Are they going to keep the ANC flight?
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
Yes but I think to get seriously competitive, and IF they want to try to go after O&D traffic, DL will need to go with mainline in the long run, especially where they are competing with WN and AS, and particularly the longer flights.

No doubt about that, but currently Delta simply doesn't have any mainline equipment available that they could use to add more flights. And even if they have the ex-TW 757s and new 73Gs coming, those'll mostly end up on European and Caribbean routes. Of course, that could free up some other planes currently used on Caribbean routes, but IMHO, the only mainline domestic growth will be through "fake" mainline in the shape of more CR9s with First Class replacing CRJs without F.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
No doubt about that, but currently Delta simply doesn't have any mainline equipment available that they could use to add more flights. And even if they have the ex-TW 757s and new 73Gs coming, those'll mostly end up on European and Caribbean routes. Of course, that could free up some other planes currently used on Caribbean routes, but IMHO, the only mainline domestic growth will be through "fake" mainline in the shape of more CR9s with First Class replacing CRJs without F.

Which is why we are not going to see DL make, IMHO any real impression at LAX for some time. Time will tell.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
And not too long from now: (all rumored)
NRT

NRT would be resumption of service. DL flew the LAX-NRT route when they received their first two, leased from Mitsui, MD-11's. Those MD-11's started/continued to MCO. I don't recall when that service was discontinued.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:14 pm

Do our fellow DL A.Netters have any thoughts or ideas on if the powers that be may send some of the new 73Gs they'll be getting to LAX? I think it will be advantageous for them to have them @ LAX so they can go mainline on routes to SEA, PDX, YVR, DEN, PHX, SJC, and perhaps some of the DLC flights to Mexico that are doing well and could use an upgrade to mainline to make it more desirable for DL FFs to utilize those routes.

BTW is Express Jet doing an inflight service similar to their own flights, i.e., ONT-SAT, where they serve salads, sandwiches at lunch & dinner and cereal etc., at breakfast?

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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 7):
I think it will be advantageous for them to have them @ LAX so they can go mainline on routes to SEA, PDX, YVR, DEN, PHX, SJC, and perhaps some of the DLC flights to Mexico that are doing well and could use an upgrade to mainline to make it more desirable for DL FFs to utilize those routes.

I don't think they'd use the 73G's for routes like that yet, they'd use them in range situations - ATL-Established and Experimental LatAm and Caribbean destinations where the 738 is just too many seats; secondary market transcons/semi-transcons - CVG-California; JFK-SAN/DEN/PHX; BOS-BDA.... Also the cities you mention would be better served by additional frequencies than single better aircraft based on what I've seen by DL in the past.
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:54 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
And not too long from now: (all rumored)
NRT

NRT would be resumption of service. DL flew the LAX-NRT route when they received their first two, leased from Mitsui, MD-11's. Those MD-11's started/continued to MCO. I don't recall when that service was discontinued.

The route was suspended as part of the post 9/11 pulldown.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:02 pm

DOMESTIC
595 flights per week


SEA > 1 738, 1 ERJ = 2
PDX > 2 ERJ = 2
GEG > 1 ERJ = 1
EUG > 1 ERJ = 1
BOI > 1 ERJ = 1
SFO > 6 ERJ = 6
SMF > 4 ERJ = 4
SJC > 4 ERJ = 4
OAK > 4 ERJ = 4
LAS > 1 738, 1 ERJ = 2
RNO > 2 ERJ = 2
SAN > N/A No flights listed
PHX > 4 ERJ = 4
DEN > 4 ERJ = 4
MFE > 1 ERJ = 1
OKC > 1 ERJ = 1
ICT > 1 ERJ = 1
SLC > 2 752, 1 738, 3 M90, 1 CR9, 2 CRJ = 9
HNL > 1 763 = 1
OGG > 1 763 = 1
CVG > 2 752, 2 757 = 4
ATL > 1 764, 6 763, 2 752, 2 757, 1 738 = 12
MSY > 1 738 = 1
JAX > 1 738 = 1
MCO > 2 738 = 2
FLL > 1 757 = 1
TPA > 2 738 = 2
CMH > 1 738 = 1
RDU > 1 738 = 1
JFK > 6 752 = 6
BOS > 2 738 = 2
BDL > 1 738 = 1
SFE > N/A No flights listed

INTERNATIONAL
76 flights per week


YVR > 1 ERJ = 1
ACA (winter resume) > 2 x per week ERJ
BZE (winter resume) > 1 x per week 752
CUN > 1 x per week 738
GDL > 1 738 = 1
GUA > 4 x per week 752
LIR (winter resume) >1 x per week 752
MGA (winter resume) > 2 x per week 738
PVR > 1 738 = 1
CUL > 1 ERJ = 1
HMO > 1 ERJ = 1
ZIH (winter resume) >1 x per week ERJ
LAP > 3 x per week ERJ
LMM > 4 x per week ERJ
BJX > 5 x per week ERJ
LTO > 3 x per week ERJ
ZLO (winter resume) >3 x per week ERJ
MZT > 4 x per week ERJ
TRC > 4 x per week ERJ
ZCL > 3 x per week ERJ

Average Delta Air Lines/Delta Connection LAX Operations = 95 flights per day

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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:26 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):
BZE (winter resume) > 1 x per week 752

I like the 752 (even if it is a dirty SONG bird), but I wish they would make it 2X738....gives us a bit of flexibility....Sat & Sun (from BZE) would be great....
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 8):
secondary market transcons/semi-transcons - CVG-California;


I highly doubt that DL will use the 73G on CVG-California routes. Many of these routes used to be served by 767s and have been downgraded to 738s and 757s. As such, many of these flights are regularly oversold at this point. As such they will not reduce capacity further. CVG is still an important hub to DL. It is not a secondary market.

However, I could see DL using them on routes like CMH-LAX and RDU-LAX.
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 12):
I highly doubt that DL will use the 73G on CVG-California routes. Many of these routes used to be served by 767s and have been downgraded to 738s and 757s. As such, many of these flights are regularly oversold at this point. As such they will not reduce capacity further. CVG is still an important hub to DL. It is not a secondary market.

There is talk that the following routes will be brought into service next year:

SJC-CVG 1 x 738
SMF-CVG 1 x 738
ONT-CVG 1 x 738

We will have to wait and see if any of that comes true..

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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:50 am

Isn't some of the Mexico service seasonal? I would guess it would be back in the winter.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting RwSEA (Thread starter):
Looking at all this, brings up a few questions. First, are these flights really doing that well, or is DL increasing frequency to try and be more appealing? And second, are these flights mainly O&D, or is there a high percentage of connections?

You kinda answered the question yourself....DL cancelled Mexico service and has to put the planes somewhere..since they are ExpressJet easiest place is LAX. Also yeah, i would think that DL is going for more LAX OD traffic and to do so means more frequency.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:58 am

To me DL's best bet in the West coast market would be using CR7/9's or emb170/90's w/ first class and providing frequency, frequency, frequency. Couple this w/ some selected Asian flights on 763's outfitted w/ ptv's in coach and enhanced biz class and they stand a real chance. If DL wants to compete in the LAX market, offering first class on domestic flights is a must as is upgrading the coach product for international routes.

[Edited 2007-08-02 18:59:45]
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:04 am

Any news on ExpressJet getting more DL flying?

I know they are at 12 planes right now but I have heard it may go up to 50 planes total? Anyone heard this?
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting Atomother (Reply 17):
I know they are at 12 planes right now but I have heard it may go up to 50 planes total? Anyone heard this?

We are currently at 18 total aircraft in LAX. 10 are under a CPA with the remaining 8 operating under a pro-rate agreement.

As far as more flying.....who knows? We don't really have enough planes right now for anymore. Everything is just rumors.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:24 am

(BTW is Express Jet doing an inflight service similar to their own flights, i.e., ONT-SAT, where they serve salads, sandwiches at lunch & dinner and cereal etc., at breakfast?)


The inflight service on ExpressJet flights operating as Delta Connection is the same standard service you would find on other DCI carriers (Sun Chips, peanuts, cheese on wheat crackers, etc). However, what is interesting is that, depending on the a/c rotation, you can get an XJ plane equipped with XM satellite radio on a DCI flight. With this being a unique feature to XJ, I'm wondering how long DL will let them offer that as a product differentiation. As somoene who works for one of the DCI carriers, DL is going to great lengths to standardize the customer's experience at all points through the DL/DCI portfolio. The XM feature seems to stand out like a sore thumb compared to everything else. Don't get me wrong, it was wonderful having it on a 3 hour flight ZLO-LAX a couple weeks ago!
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Atomother (Reply 17):
I know they are at 12 planes right now but I have heard it may go up to 50 planes total? Anyone heard this?

50??  eyepopping   eyepopping 

That is a lot of additional routes.. Could LAX handle that much more?

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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:42 am

From my experience, there's a good combination of O/D and connecting traffic on the ExpressJet flights. We currently have 18 planes (10 XRJ's and 8 LRJ's) in service with DL but don't know where we'd get more planes. The loads have been pretty good with SFO and OAK flights always full.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
I don't recall when that service was discontinued.



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 9):
The route was suspended as part of the post 9/11 pulldown.

Nagoya and Tokyo were dropped December 1, 2001.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 13):
SJC-CVG 1 x 738

They had CVG prior to 9/11 I believe, nice to see someone maybe adding a flight again!
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting ATLBoiler (Reply 19):
As somoene who works for one of the DCI carriers, DL is going to great lengths to standardize the customer's experience at all points through the DL/DCI portfolio.

The XM is on the 8 aircraft that are under the pro-rate agreement. I believe that is the case. It has been agreed upon by DL and will continue to be offered. Maybe a hint a future IFE on DLC flights???
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:49 am

How are they accomodating that many planes in Terminals 5 and 6? Are they using jetways for all flights, and have they replaced any of the jetways they removed a few years ago (52B, 55B, 57B)?
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:55 am

All those single frequency domestic destinations...WOW! It seems to me like their throwing random darts at a map and seeing what works and doesn't. Hope DL knows what their doing.
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting ATLBoiler (Reply 19):
XJ plane equipped with XM satellite radio on a DCI flight

Just a reminder:
XJ = Mesaba
XE = ExpressJet (even though the cursor rollover decode on here says Cambodia International)
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:14 am

I doubt they would start LAX-IAH, especially with CRJs no doubt. They would get slaughtered by WN and CO. Besides they could just codeshare with CO to connect to this "LAX hub".
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 28):
I doubt they would start LAX-IAH, especially with CRJs no doubt

This got me thinking. I know ExpressJet is not allowed to fly their own branded flights into IAH due to contractual issues with CO/CO Express, but would they be able to fly into IAH or any other CO hub as DL Connection? That would be too weird.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting Junction (Reply 29):
This got me thinking. I know ExpressJet is not allowed to fly their own branded flights into IAH due to contractual issues with CO/CO Express, but would they be able to fly into IAH or any other CO hub as DL Connection? That would be too weird.

Those aircraft are not allowed to fly into EWR, IAH, or CLE under any capacity as a 121 carrier. We can do it with the charter flights though. But any aircraft that may or may not be purchased would not be under that clause.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 26):
All those single frequency domestic destinations...WOW! It seems to me like their throwing random darts at a map and seeing what works and doesn't. Hope DL knows what their doing.

The "throwing darts at a map"-method worked extraordinarily well for their ATL and JFK international expansion  Wink .
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 31):


The "throwing darts at a map"-method worked extraordinarily well for their ATL and JFK international expansion .

Will it work domestically? And from LAX?
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 13):
There is talk that the following routes will be brought into service next year:

SJC-CVG 1 x 738
SMF-CVG 1 x 738
ONT-CVG 1 x 738

I highly, highly doubt any of those 3 will occur. Due to the fact that they are longer/thinner routes with minimal O&D, and CVG doesn't bring much to the table that can't go through SLC or ATL. Plus with aircraft availability issues, that would require at least 9 hrs for each out and back, effectively tying up 3 aircraft for most of the day. (redeyes would probably have terrible demand).
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:28 am

I has been notice that LAX has been expand lately on DL. It is possible that LAX is mini hub for DL on west so that people can make connection there to get to small town that service out of LAX??
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting Atlantaflyboy (Reply 16):
To me DL's best bet in the West coast market would be using CR7/9's or emb170/90's w/ first class and providing frequency, frequency, frequency. Couple this w/ some selected Asian flights on 763's outfitted w/ ptv's in coach and enhanced biz class and they stand a real chance.

i agree with the first point, yes, DL should throw about 20-30 E190s into LAX to provide a first class and a more comfortable ride. Routes like LAX-PDX/SEA/SFO/OAK/SJC/SMF/SAN/LAS/PHX/DEN could use 4-8 daily flights on these planes. Routes like LAX-BOI/GEG/RNO/TUC/ABQ/ELP/COS/AUS/SAT could use 2-4 daily flights on E170s. Internationally, would it be more economical for DL to use an E170/E190 on route to Mexico, or would there be too much baggage to do the flight profitably?

As for the second point, the Asian carriers offer a much better product on 777s and 747s, a 767 will be uncompetitive, with an inferior product. The 767 is a good plane for europe, but the product onboard would not be very competitive in Asia.

I would like to see DL place an order for about 30 777s, 15 to be based in LAX, 10 in ATL and 5 in JFK. But thats just me dreaming.
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:29 am

If DL really wanted to be competitive and get into the LAX-Asia market they would accelerate the conversion of a limited number of 767-300's to the completely flat-bed Biz-Elite that will debut next year on the 772LR's and revamp economy w/ ptv's at all seats and install Boeing signature interiors. These upgrades would make the cabin environment highly competitive in the Japanese, Korean and Northern Chinese markets that are within the 767-300's range.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 22):
Nagoya and Tokyo were dropped December 1, 2001.

It was a sad day. DL had amazing ops into Japan. They were serving places that even NW had pulled out of years previous. I think DL will be back to Japan and this time to stay and open up trans-pac to more people. This move will help lower prices which really have not changed much in the past 10 years. And will be especially nice for those of us who have nice airports but stil have to reroute to NRT to get where we really need to go. On a year average a discount directly purchased Y class ticket from NGO-ORD can cost us $1301.16. (personal research). If DL reenters the Japanese market full force with the right aircraft, it will help bring about much needed competition and lower prices. Not always great for the airlines but much better for consumers.

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This was taken in the fall of 2000 around the time NGO-PDX was changed to NGO-LAX. When this happened here wer three daily flights to LAX served by VG, JL and DL. Notice the Canadian plane. This was right after AC bout Canadian.
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:42 am

DL's buildup at LAX serves a 2 fold purpose. First, it is securing DL's right to maintain all of its gates at terminals 5 and 6. There are no provisions in DL's contract that prevent them from filling up the terminal with RJs. It has also helped that XE found a willing partner as DL was interested in XE's plight to find routes for XE to fly its airplanes on in the aftermath of the CO-XE spat. Even if XE flies at risk, there is less risk for XE flying under DL's colors in routes that have established potential at a major hub than there is for XE to develop all new point to point routes flying under its own brand.

Secondly, DL will buildup LAX as a transpac hub. Having all of this service in place makes it MUCH easier to drop some 777s or even 767s into LAX when the time is right. It is alot easier to convince the Board to approve the purchase of additional 777s (new or used) if you already have the domestic feed in place. And unlike JFK, DL has a very comfortable, cost-efficient terminal available for its use at LAX. If DL can make JFK work, they surely can make LAX work.

DL needs LAX to work in order to be a true nationwide and even worldwide carrier - and it will work very well. You are seeing the first phases of a major buildup by DL at LAX .
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting UCLAX (Reply 25):
How are they accomodating that many planes in Terminals 5 and 6? Are they using jetways for all flights, and have they replaced any of the jetways they removed a few years ago (52B, 55B, 57B)?
Thanks!

I was thinking the same thing. With this many ERJ's where are they parking, deplaning and boarding them at? Do they have that much room @ T-5 & 6? Do they remote some of them?

I think bringing in E90/95s & E70/75s would be a wonderful idea and very popular with DL's Skymiles Base. I know I'll apreciate taking a E90/70 over a ER4 anyday. I think it would help push them above AE and take over the SJC route they've been flying for years now with the "jungle jets".

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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:11 pm

Most of the gates on the West side of T-5 have been modified so they can lower far enough to reach the RJ's. From my experience, it's actually been easier with ExpressJet than when ASA was in the market with CRJ's. With the CRJ's the f/a had to pop the door, the ramp agent lower the handles, the gate agent pull the jetbridge to a certain distance from the steps, and a mobile jetbridge adapter put in place to bridge the gap between the jetbridge lip and the CRJ doorway. With the ERJ's, the jetbridge is pulled right up to the fuselage and the door swung open. It's actually a lot quicker in my opinion.

However, there is typically a lot of congestion in the alleyway that's shared between DL at T-5 and AA at T-4. Because of the close proximity between buildings, all DL mainline planes parking on that side of T-5 must shut down their engines, get hooked up to a tug, and pulled into the gate (the RJ's don't have the same tow-in requirement). It is not uncommon for planes to wait 10-15 minutes for their turn to push from the gate. That particular alleyway can only accomodate planes taxiing in the same direction (either all going out or all going in). I've sat more than a couple of times out on a taxiway for upwards of 20-30 minutes waiting for a gate at T-5 to open.
 
WesternA318
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
Many times I have hoped that DL would try to get back some of the former glory of Western! That appears to be happening in some form at least.

Now let's see them paint a 738 or something along those lines in a "retrojet" motif...
 
LawnDart
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:57 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 38):
If DL can make JFK work,

That's a very big if ...  wink 
 
SESGDL
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 42):
That's a very big if ...

Yes, considering DL has been a major JFK carrier since 1991.  Yeah sure

Jeremy
 
Evan767
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:27 pm

Any speculation on international flights anyone?

My bets:

Tokyo
Nagoya
Osaka
Seoul
Sydney
Auckland
Melbourne
Santiago
Sao Paulo
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
 
MAH4546
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 44):
My bets:

Tokyo
Nagoya
Osaka
Seoul
Sydney
Auckland
Melbourne
Santiago
Sao Paulo

Santiago and Sao Paulo? No way.

Los Angeles-Santiago local market is non-existent. It would never work for Delta, let alone anybody else. LAN is finally starting LAX-SCL non-stops this winter, but that's only because the Peruvian government reduced the number of seats they are allowed to offer between the US and Peru temporarily. You can bet when that reduction is ended, the SCL non-stops will be gone.

There are no free US-Brazil frequencies, and Brazil is showing desire only to grant exceptions to flights that do not go to GRU/GIG. They have pretty much made it clear that they will not allow more GRU frequencies for the foreseeable future. And, besides, the Los Angeles-Brazil market isn't huge, nor is it high-yielding. Terrible market for Delta to enter. As for the Asian and Australian markets, that's where Delta has growth potential out of LAX, we'll see where they go.
a.
 
CV880
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:25 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 45):
Santiago and Sao Paulo? No way.

Maybe not in the short term, but SCL does generate heavy cargo loads, much of it destined for the West Coast, and with the DL feed to/fr LAX, should be able to support service. As for Brazil, if/when additional rights can be secured, why not?
 
MAH4546
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:31 pm

Quoting CV880 (Reply 46):
Maybe not in the short term, but SCL does generate heavy cargo loads, much of it destined for the West Coast, and with the DL feed to/fr LAX, should be able to support service.

There is no USA-South America market that is more biased towards the East Coast than Santiago de Chile. There really isn't a market, even if you count cargo. O&D between the US and Chile is quite poor, for whatever reason. Feed is great, but, honestly, how many people in Portland, Sacramento, and Santa Fe want to get to Chile? Not many. LAN is in the market, and that's about all it can handle.

Quoting CV880 (Reply 46):
As for Brazil, if/when additional rights can be secured, why not?

Yield pretty much sucks. TAM has been toying with entering LA, but now that's on the backburner. If any airline enters the market, it's going to be TAM.

The one wildcard is how/if Delta grows on LAX-Japan. This may create room for Delta to make LAX-GRU work, though Sao Paulo-Japan traffic has started to flow most heavily via Paris and Frankfurt.
a.
 
Chugach
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Are they going to keep the ANC flight?

It looks like LAX-ANC is staying 3x weekly on the 752 through at least January.
 
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RE: DL Fall LAX Expansion

Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:15 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 32):
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 31):

The "throwing darts at a map"-method worked extraordinarily well for their ATL and JFK international expansion .
Will it work domestically? And from LAX?

That of course remains to be seen. No doubt some routes will disappear (like LAX-TIJ already did), but with the large scale of the expansion, quite a bit is bound to stick.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 44):
Tokyo
Nagoya
Osaka
Seoul
Sydney
Auckland
Melbourne
Santiago
Sao Paulo

NRT/NGO/ICN, definitely could see those, they should be possible with the winglet-equipped 763s from late 2008 on.
SYD, has long been rumored and will probably happen. Should also work out well if NW and CO are willing to feed that flight at LAX, given that it would finally give Skyteam the missing nonstop US-OZ link. Don't see AKL happening though. MEL, perhaps as a tag-on to SYD, similar to UA.
Santiago, as said no demand, and GRU, no frequencies available, and even if, Delta would start JFK-GIG before they'd even consider LAX-GRU.

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