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RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:42 pm

'The workforce at Derby aero engine-maker Rolls-Royce were celebrating this morning when the company received a certificate of airworthiness for the Trent 1000 engine.

At a ceremony held at the firm's Wilmore Road engine assembly line, attended by more than 250 workers from the Trent 1000 programme, representatives from the European Aviation Safety Agency signed the certificate in front of Rolls-Royce management.

After passing a series of rigorous safety and environmental tests, the certification clears the Trent 1000 to power the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which was unveiled in Seattle a month ago.



Today was also a significant date on which to receive the documentation - 7.8.07. '

Taken from todays Derby Evening Telegraph

Great news for the staff of Rolls Royce

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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:49 am

Funny (sort of) to think that what seems like only a few weeks ago we were fretting because the Trent 1000 hadn't even flown and one or two excitable types here were coming over all unnecessary at the (far-fetched) thought of Boeing switching to GE for the 787's first flight.

Looks like RR knew what they were doing.  Wink

http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/showPR.jsp?PR_ID=40524

"The Rolls-Royce Trent 1000, launch engine for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, has received its airworthiness certification on schedule and just 18 months after the engine’s first ground run.

It also maintains the 100 per cent record of Rolls-Royce over the past two decades in achieving on-time certification for all aero engine development programmes."
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Perhaps some RR managers should take over in Toulouse?  duck 

Meanwhile, the RR press release continues their recent teaser campaign of telling us about business they can't yet announce.

"Including business yet to be announced, orders have been placed for over 500 Trent 1000 engines by 15 operators and five leasing companies." FIVE leasing companies? That's new. ILFC, CIT, LCAL and Pegasus are old news. Who's the fifth? GECAS?!  Wink

And "15 operators"? Two are private operators of BBJs but that still leaves 13 airlines and RR have named only 11: "ANA, Air New Zealand, Icelandair, LOT Polish Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Blue Panorama, Air China, Monarch Airlines, flyglobespan, Avianca, Royal Brunei Airlines".

So, RR have sold 787s to a fifth leasing company and two more airlines have chosen Trent 1000s. Since only 10 firm sales are unidentified my guess is that at least one and probably both of the two anonymous airline customers are leasing their planes. LCAL are rumoured to have placed half a dozen of their 787s and ILFC have announced leases to Royal Jordanian and LAN without identifying engines.

My guess would be Royal Jordanian - though I'm not sure why.

Anyway,  highfive  all round, I'd say!
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:13 am

Forgive me for asking, but Certification from whom? FAA or other authority? Thanks.
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:17 am

http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/showPR.jsp?PR_ID=40524

The occasion was marked today (07.08.07) by a special ceremony at Rolls-Royce in Derby, UK, at which the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) handed over the engine’s airworthiness certificate."

"The Trent 1000 made history by becoming the first engine to be validated concurrently by EASA and America’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) under the latest regulatory procedures."
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:36 am

Thanks PM.

That is an awesome development almost a full year prior to EIS. I guess they now turn to the Trent XWB development or is it too early to start that in earnest givent the 6 years to EIS of the A360?
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:47 am

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 4):
That is an awesome development almost a full year prior to EIS.

I think actually it's pretty essential so that the 787 can be certified to fly next month. In other words, the engine has to be certified this far ahead of EIS. (Though I could be wrong!)

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 4):
I guess they now turn to the Trent XWB development

Yes, and/or further developments of the T1000. Remember that the T1000 is the lead engine on all three (so far) versions of the 787: the -3, -8 and -9. I confess that I don't know how different the engines for all three will be (perhaps not much more than some software tweaks) but then there's the engine for the proposed (and likely) -10 and I'm guessing that will be a different story.

My bias is well known but I hope others will acknowledge that RR have come a long way from the dark days of the early 'eighties when their market share was in low single figures.  thumbsup 
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:14 am

Thread already started yesterday in Civ-AV, got moved to Tech ops
RR Trent 1000 For The B787 (by TepidHalibut Aug 7 2007 in Tech Ops)
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:15 pm

PM,
Isn't the 12th airline First choice airways?
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 7):
Isn't the 12th airline First choice airways?

Nope. They were an early customer (perhaps even the first) for the GEnx.  Sad
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:26 pm

ooops your right sorry,

I dunno why but i really try and avoid GE powered aircraft perhaps it's because RR are made here and somehow subconciously i feel safer?
Also they don't feel asthough they have the same ummph as RR?
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 9):
Also they don't feel asthough they have the same ummph as RR?

Yeah, sure. A GE90-115B is such a wimp of an engine.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
I think actually it's pretty essential so that the 787 can be certified to fly next month. In other words, the engine has to be certified this far ahead of EIS.

Well, you can certainly fly an experimental aircraft (which is what the 787 will be till it gets the CoA), with an uncertified engine. But agreed, it is obviously advantageus and most productive to have a certifield engine from first flight.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Yes, and/or further developments of the T1000. Remember that the T1000 is the lead engine on all three (so far) versions of the 787: the -3, -8 and -9.

I remember RR saying that they have tested the Trent 1000 to 87Klbs (which is more than any version of the 787 would need), and that they were ready to power future versions of the 787 (meaning -10). I am assuming, please correct me, that they certified the T1000 with all the trust levels needed for 783, 788, 789. Is that not so?
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:20 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
I am assuming, please correct me, that they certified the T1000 with all the trust levels needed for 783, 788, 789. Is that not so?

Don't ask me! I suppose so.
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
I remember RR saying that they have tested the Trent 1000 to 87Klbs (which is more than any version of the 787 would need), and that they were ready to power future versions of the 787 (meaning -10). I am assuming, please correct me, that they certified the T1000 with all the trust levels needed for 783, 788, 789. Is that not so?

Being tested uo to 87K and being certified to 87K are two completely different things. The offical thrust rating (say, 70,000 lbf) is what the engine is guaranteed to achieve at any sea level condition, even stinking hot days. (Like we have here in Iceland  Smile ). However, if you run a low life engine to max rated speed / temperature, you'll get a lot more. Sometimes a LOT more. And if you look at the test speed requirements of JAR-E 650... wow !

As for the various aircraft standards, that's primarily an issue for Boeing. There are, however, some aspects where the airframe standard does impact engine certification (Bleed flows, generator loads, flight manoeuvre loads, etc). I believe taht RR have based their work upon the 787-8, knowing that the 787-3 cases are no worse. There's also enough capability for the 787-9 (I think). The 787-10 isn't even launched, so I guess RR can't be sure that the existing Trent 1000 design is ideal.

NB As I said in the original thread, I believe that one of the certified thrust ratings is a 74K Take-Off rating, so I guess, based upon previous Trent history, that the Type Certificate will be for the "RB211-Trent 1074" engine.
 
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RE: RR Trent 1000 Gains Certification

Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 10):
Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 9):
Also they don't feel asthough they have the same ummph as RR?

Yeah, sure. A GE90-115B is such a wimp of an engine.



They don't come any bigger than the big GE.

With regard to your user name BMIbaby733... what do you think powers all 737s from 733 to 739...HUH!!!!!!!!

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