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The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:52 am

Thought some of you might find this Interesting...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...070810/UPDATE/708100406/1003&imw=Y

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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:01 am

Quote:
an inspection revealed that a missing inboard flap to fuselage fairing was missing.

Nicely worded.

Are they finally falling apart? Maybe some mechanic just doesn't know what he's doing. Wonder if NWA will ever retire these birds now that they are losing their feathers.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:07 am

"I was coming out with the laundry basket to hang my laundry, and I noticed ... a large, large piece of metal in my yard," Judy St. Clair told WISC-TV in Madison.

Man, why can't that happen to me? lol  wink 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:08 am

If this was happening every day, I'd say, "perhaps there is a problem".

It sounds as though this is an isolated incident. Other planes have shed pieces in flight before as well - it could be a maintenance issue. It's all about upkeep, not necessarily age.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:16 am

How's the market for used 717s?

Clearly NW realizes the risk involved in keeping these antiques flying. Just hope NW can keep up the maintenance and safety checks.  worried 

[Edited 2007-08-10 19:18:19]
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
It's all about upkeep, not necessarily age.

That's exactly right. Remember the flap piece that fell off the CO DC10 in France that brought down the Concorde. Engines have fallen off over the years, you name it. All of it MX related in one way or another.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4):
How's the market for used 717s?

I don't think there are enough 717's around for NW. I was thinking (As countless others have suggested) that the E195's would be a good choice, no?
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:26 am

Rumor around work is that they will accelerate the retirement of the 9's and all the 9 guys will go to Compass..

Again, RUMOR..

Heard about this too, it was only a matter of time  Silly
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 2):
Man, why can't that happen to me? lol

LOL! I was thinking the same!  Silly

Would you keep it or put it on ebay?
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:45 am

At first I found that offensive!

Anyway, everything and everybody gets older and parts start to break and fall off, planes too. I still cant get over the fact that these planes are still flying in such huge numbers all over the world, amazing!
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:46 am

More bad publicity for NW
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:49 am

Yeah 40 year old planes still flying. And ashamed to say that although they may be old you notice some of the newer planes or not as old planes are having problems and even crashing (sad to say). I guess i would rather stick with old and faitfull in that case.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Would you keep it or put it on ebay?

...Uhh, keep it.  shhh 

Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 11):
I guess i would rather stick with old and faitfull in that case.

True, some of the old birds could put up against almost anything.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:19 am

...Uhh, keep it.

Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 11):
I guess i would rather stick with old and faitfull in that case.

True, some of the old birds could put up against almost anything.[/quote]

A320s being scrapped before dc9s says a lot.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 11):
Yeah 40 year old planes still flying

Built like brick shithouses, for sure. No other airframe has that many examples left in flying condition after 40 years of continuos service. Amazing feat, I must say.

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 13):
A320s being scrapped before dc9s says a lot.

It do.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 13):
A320s being scrapped before dc9s says a lot.

The DC9 is a fifties Cadillac and newer planes are cheap imports!
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 5):
That's exactly right. Remember the flap piece that fell off the CO DC10 in France that brought down the Concorde

Actually the peice that was found on the runway at CDG from the CO DC10 came from part of the engine nacelle not the flaps..And it "allegedly" brought down the Concorde....There are other factors that infortunately have been overlooked for the easy way out.....

Hey, as for the DC9 shedding part of the flap thingy, it could have happend with any of their planes...Its when it happens to one of their DC9s that everyone freaks out.....

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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 13):
A320s being scrapped before dc9s says a lot.

It doesn't tell the whole truth. There's a huge demand for A320s, parts are expensive - especially if bought from the manufacturer. So selling an older A320 for parting out can be more profitable than doing a D-check and keeping it in service for some more years.
On the other hand, the deserts are full of DC-9s. Selling such a bird is probably less profitable than keeping it in service. 30-40 years aren't a big deal for such a robust aircraft.


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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4):
Clearly NW realizes the risk involved in keeping these antiques flying.

Antiques?! Give me a break.  laughing  That sounds like some cheap sound bite a Know Nothing media type would use.

Perhaps you have forgotten the nacelle cover that fell off the America West A320 series. How about the MD-80 tail cone incident? There are hudreds of examples, and none indicated "antiques" that were creating "risk" for the operator.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 1):
Are they finally falling apart? Maybe some mechanic just doesn't know what he's doing. Wonder if NWA will ever retire these birds now that they are losing their feathers

I seem to recall at least one large piece falling from a BA 757 over Glasgow not long after they were introduced. These things happen from time to time.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 16):
Actually the peice that was found on the runway at CDG from the CO DC10 came from part of the engine nacelle not the flaps..And it "allegedly" brought down the Concorde

An unauthorised titanium "blade".

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 16):
There are other factors that infortunately have been overlooked for the easy way out.....

If you say so...
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4):

Clearly NW realizes the risk involved in keeping these antiques flying. Just hope NW can keep up the maintenance and safety checks.

You can be sure NWA does care about safety of the birs.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_49_12/ai_53414779


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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:50 am

Quote: "It's not every day that you think about walking into your backyard and having things fall from the sky," St. Clair said.

Clearly she hasn't lived on an approach/takeoff path for very long.  Wink
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 22):
Clearly she hasn't lived on an approach/takeoff path for very long.  Wink

I've lived under one for 12 years, and I'm still waiting for my complimentary piece of aircraft debris.

[Edited 2007-08-10 22:39:08]
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:52 am

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 5):
the flap piece that fell off the CO DC10 in France that brought down the Concorde

Not meaning to be picky, but wasn't that a piece of engine cowling, or am I mistaken?
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:53 am

This is a bunch of BS. Northwest's DC-9s are "falling apart," but DHL's, USAJet's, the Navy's, the Air Force's, and various other government agencies' aren't? It amazes me the conclusions some people jump to.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 24):
Quoting Socalfive (Reply 5):
the flap piece that fell off the CO DC10 in France that brought down the Concorde

Not meaning to be picky, but wasn't that a piece of engine cowling, or am I mistaken?

Yes, as I recall, it was a narrow strip of metal reinforcement on an engine cowling, not part of the original DC-10 design.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 4):
How's the market for used 717s?



Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 6):
I don't think there are enough 717's around for NW. I was thinking (As countless others have suggested) that the E195's would be a good choice, no?

Don't count on it. Boeing tried to get NW to purchase the 717, but NW expressed no interest. In addition, I recently read that the Embraer E-Jets have an efficiency that is close enough to the 717...and since NW has an order for them, the 717 probably doesn't have a future with NW.

As for the article, typical media "scare our readers/viewers so they want to read/watch our stuff" kind of deal. An airplane can last almost forever with the proper care...
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 15):
The DC9 is a fifties Cadillac and newer planes are cheap imports!

So that makes an A320 a Hyundai Sonata. Great for the first couple of years then it turns to jello.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:19 am

This likely has very little to do with the NW DC-9.

I can think of many occasions where a new 737 or A320 has dropped an engine cowling in-flight.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 28):
Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 15):
The DC9 is a fifties Cadillac and newer planes are cheap imports!

So that makes an A320 a Hyundai Sonata. Great for the first couple of years then it turns to jello.

Excellent analogy.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 27):
the 717 probably doesn't have a future with NW.

Since it (717) isn't produced anymore, you are probably correct.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:37 am

In theory can't aircraft last as long as parts are available and are maintained to strict standards? There was a pic of an ERJ getting a skin change in TYS, but was removed from the database for some reason,( As a former ramp rat in TYS, I know the reason ) With these types of heavy MTC procedures, in my opinion A/C can last as long as the operator wants them. SO long live the DC-9.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:39 am

For the record, I think the DC-9 is a wonderful plane and fly on them generally 14-16 times per year. Looking forward to doing so again next week! Just thought it was an interesting article, and the posting title was meant to be humorous, nothing more.

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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 31):
Since it (717) isn't produced anymore, you are probably correct.

Well, referring to used airplanes. Then again, this is NW, so you never know. By the way, I see you're a retired ATC'er...read my signature  biggrin 
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 32):
In theory can't aircraft last as long as parts are available and are maintained to strict standards? There was a pic of an ERJ getting a skin change in TYS, but was removed from the database for some reason,( As a former ramp rat in TYS, I know the reason ) With these types of heavy MTC procedures, in my opinion A/C can last as long as the operator wants them. SO long live the DC-9.

It's not a THEORY, it's a FACT. Look at the B-52s the USAF flies today and will fly for years to come. Quality always trumps quantity.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:54 am

Fly Navy, I was just trying to dumb down my position for all the A.Net fanatics lol. I agree with you 1000 percent. I have yet to see an experation date on an aircraft. The DC-9 will always be a workhorse, and Im sure it will be around for many more years to come with someone, albeit a smaller company such as Ameristar.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 13):

A320s being scrapped before dc9s says a lot.

Yes, it does. Along with B737, B757, 767 etc etc etc

The DC-9 was/is a true war-horse and IMO the finest aircraft, all things considered, ever to be produced in America.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:40 am

Name another MAJOR passenger airline that fly's 40 year old planes ??
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
It sounds as though this is an isolated incident. Other planes have shed pieces in flight before as well - it could be a maintenance issue. It's all about upkeep, not necessarily age.

 checkmark  CO dropped an engine at PBI. Ooops!  wideeyed 

Most likely an oversight in this case.

Now, I'm biased. I'm in aerospace R&D, so I want to see these birds replaced. But on the other hand, the engines provide Pratt a great profit! (Spare pars baby!)  bigthumbsup 

Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 36):
I have yet to see an experation date on an aircraft.

There really isn't. For an overbuilt aircraft like the DC-9/F-14/DC-3/732 it really comes down to when the corrosion is too expensive to contain. Yes, with the 732 there is the *expensive* repair of the skin at 120k cycles (or is it 100k? I'm forgetting) that effectively end their life.

But at some point the added costs of fuel compared to a new plane will easily pay a lease. If NW has even slightly better credit, the DC-9's would have been replaced. The perpetual A.net question is what? When!  Wink

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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:58 am

The DC9 might be a wonderfully built plane, but seeling that most European airlines have dumped the MD80, nevermind then DC9, it sadly belongs in the past...

For example, if BA were still operating BAC111s, it would be fun for enthusiasts, but not from a modern efficiency point of view...
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:12 am

That is better than having frozen blue toilet gunk fall off an airplane and land in your back yard. sarcastic 

Parts have fallen off aircraft far newer than that DC9. It happens every once and a while. DC9's are like DC3's, they are designed to last a really long time. I doubt your average A320 will last that long.....
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 34):
It's not a THEORY, it's a FACT. Look at the B-52s the USAF flies today and will fly for years to come. Quality always trumps quantity.

Very True..the B-52H models currently in inventory were delivered to the USAF in 1963 (mostly). The USAF has KC-135's from the late 1950's still in service. A few years back there was an article in the press that the USAF planned to keep some around until 2030-2040. Now that is built tough, Boeing tough!

IIRC, in 1977 or 78 an AA 707 lost part of the outer flap climbing out of SFO (headed for ORD??) and it fell on some homes. so it does happen to everyone now and then.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:37 am

Ground them.
Ground them all.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 41):

I put the theory part in to down play my stance so I didn't get hounded. I agree totally. As long as you maintain the aircraft then what the hell, keep em flying.



Leothedog, thanks for the great insight and the great addition to the post.  banghead 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 33):
read my signature

Backseat drivers can't see 200NM ahead of you.  eyepopping  Guess who can.
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:42 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 44):
Backseat drivers can't see 200NM ahead of you. Guess who can.

Good old reliable TCAS, which with advancing technology and GPS, may be in the ballpark in the near future. Don't forget about Free Flight.

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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:51 am

Wasn't it a piece of metal from a departing dc-9, or was it a dc 10 that caused the concorde in France to crash? Just form what I remember I'm not 100% sure.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:54 am

I'm flying on a DC9 tomorrow morning TVC-DTW. I love those planes, I wish they could stay around forever.
 
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:02 am

Boeingluvr it was from a CO DC-10
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RE: The DC-9's Are Finally Falling Apart

Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:21 am

Ahh okay I thought for sure it was a Douglas Aircraft.

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