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Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:29 am

Just seem am interview with Emirates CEO on Bloomberg. He said that the A380s will indeed have on board showers and will be 'unlike any of our existing aircraft'.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Just seem am interview with Emirates CEO on Bloomberg. He said that the A380s will indeed have on board showers and will be 'unlike any of our existing aircraft'.

That'll be fun in turbulence!
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Just seem am interview with Emirates CEO on Bloomberg. He said that the A380s will indeed have on board showers and will be 'unlike any of our existing aircraft'.

Wonder if they'll have time limits...

I can just see a guy taking a 45 minute shower and exhausting all the water on the flight.  Silly
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
will be 'unlike any of our existing aircraft'.

... translates to late in delivery, useless, uneconomic, short-ranged, terrible fuel consumption, unreliable, unmodern, basic interior, generally speaking a huge waste of money.

No, you didn't just read that.

And before the Airbus lovers pulverize me and the Boeing lovers glorify me; That was a joke!!!!! I love Diamond Aircraft!
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 2):
I can just see a guy taking a 45 minute shower and exhausting all the water on the flight.

I highly doubt EK wouldn't check this problem by putting a limit on H2O consumption per shower session. I think 5-7 minutes of reasonable water pressure is Ok no?
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 2):
I can just see a guy taking a 45 minute shower and exhausting all the water on the flight.

There will be a very, very small water tank and the water will be filtered and recycled.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
There will be a very, very small water tank and the water will be filtered and recycled.

Better really beee recycled, what if someone bleeds from some wound or something....
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Flitemax (Reply 4):
Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 2):
I can just see a guy taking a 45 minute shower and exhausting all the water on the flight.

I highly doubt EK wouldn't check this problem by putting a limit on H2O consumption per shower session. I think 5-7 minutes of reasonable water pressure is Ok no?

These shower systems re-use water, after purifying it. Boeing demonstrated a similar shower a few years back and it used 3 litres per person each time.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 2):
I can just see a guy taking a 45 minute shower and exhausting all the water on the flight.

There will be a very, very small water tank and the water will be filtered and recycled.

Correct, and before everybody sharts shouting ''eeeewwwwww'', I suggest we all take a look at how many times the tap water is recycled in major cities before we drink it.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:06 am

I cannot fathom any one wanting to take a shower on an airplane. Makes me think EK will be a just a powerful but joke airline.

And it should get those Anetters with "seatbelt sign" phobias something more to worry about....

HOBO
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting Flitemax (Reply 4):
I highly doubt EK wouldn't check this problem by putting a limit on H2O consumption per shower session. I think 5-7 minutes of reasonable water pressure is Ok no?

More than enough.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
There will be a very, very small water tank and the water will be filtered and recycled.

I was thinking they would do that.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 7):
Correct, and before everybody sharts shouting ''eeeewwwwww'', I suggest we all take a look at how many times the tap water is recycled in major cities before we drink it.

Exactly. The typical glass of drinking water contains between 5000 and 10000 water molecules that passed through the bladder of Jesuah bin Josef (Jesus of Nazereth). The recycled water in an airliner shower will be a lot purer than bottled or tap water.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:23 am

Will there be changing rooms also - or do you just doff your duds in your seat and prance naked down the aisle ??
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:26 am

Oh Yeah - and 480 towels take up quite a bit of room also.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 6):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
There will be a very, very small water tank and the water will be filtered and recycled.

Better really beee recycled, what if someone bleeds from some wound or something..

My, my, what a wonderful way to get AIDs. Viruses need to be more than filtered out. Maybe they will use blue water from the toilet instead.  yes 
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 7):
I suggest we all take a look at how many times the tap water is recycled in major cities before we drink it.

Once?

Drinking water is not recycled in the USA. It is treated and released, and new water is used for drinking. In some places, water is recycled to use in agriculture, but you shouldn't drink that...
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 14):

My, my, what a wonderful way to get AIDs. Viruses need to be more than filtered out. Maybe they will use blue water from the toilet instead. yes

HIV isn't that contagious and the virus is quite unstable since it's a RNA virus. The odds of the plane crashing is an infinately bigger risk.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
There will be a very, very small water tank and the water will be filtered and recycled.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 7):
Correct, and before everybody sharts shouting ''eeeewwwwww'', I suggest we all take a look at how many times the tap water is recycled in major cities before we drink it.

What if AF decides to put in bidets?

Just a thought...

Gus.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Agill (Reply 16):
HIV isn't that contagious and the virus is quite unstable since it's a RNA virus. The odds of the plane crashing is an infinately bigger risk.

It's also a physically large virus. I don't imagine HIV making it through a reverse osmosis filter. Also, the UV filter would probably destroy it.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 13):
480 towels take up quite a bit of room also.

You don't seriously think they'll have showers in Economy Class? Even on a WhaleJet, floor space is valuable. Either there will be one only for First Class or there will be one for First Class and one for Business Class. I suspect First Class only.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
You don't seriously think they'll have showers in Economy Class? Even on a WhaleJet, floor space is valuable. Either there will be one only for First Class or there will be one for First Class and one for Business Class. I suspect First Class only.

Agree. Showers for the F PAX on the SIN-JFK route only. Hot/moist towels for the J class folks. Y class gets a wet napkin .  Wow!

Gus
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 7):
Correct, and before everybody sharts shouting ''eeeewwwwww'', I suggest we all take a look at how many times the tap water is recycled in major cities before we drink it.

...land-based water purification systems are very efficient (and could be even more if more stringent rules are applied) and land space usually isn't a problem....

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 17):

What if AF decides to put in bidets?

NH is planning on putting bidets on their B787's.. Smile
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
NH is planning on putting bidets on their B787's..

Get out!!!!!! Let's hope that Boeing doesn't engineer the blue juice up the wrong line.. bigthumbsup 

Gus
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 22):
uoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
NH is planning on putting bidets on their B787's..

Get out!!!!!! Let's hope that Boeing doesn't engineer the blue juice up the wrong line..  bigthumbsup 

...its true.. Smile

..and I agree a bit with the "blue juice".. biggrin 

fair use excerpt:

"ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS is promising passengers a new experience when they fly The Boeing Co.'s 787 Dreamliner.

The Japanese airline will "refresh the parts that other airlines can't reach," Mineo Yamamoto, president and chief executive of All Nippon Airways of Japan, said through an interpreter recently.

He wasn't talking about breath mints.

The new in-flight amenity to be offered by ANA is a bidet. It will be an industry first, at least for commercial jet travel."

full article:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/324047_air18.html
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 3):
... translates to late in delivery, useless, uneconomic, short-ranged, terrible fuel consumption, unreliable, unmodern, basic interior, generally speaking a huge waste of money.

No, you didn't just read that.

And before the Airbus lovers pulverize me and the Boeing lovers glorify me; That was a joke!!!!! I love Diamond Aircraft!

You were 100% correct until you called it a Joke...........
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23):
Jacobin777

I just fell off my chair!! Well I guess we've just taken hygene to a "higher level" with that.

Gus
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:48 am

We shall not forget that a first class round trip flight between as example LHR and Beijing costs today about $ 13,000, (assuming that the luxury EK will cost the same) compared with $ 3,300 Business and $ 1,700 Coach !!

The flight time direct is about 11 h non-stop, compared with 14 1/2 via Dubai, plus 1 1/2 hours lay off in Dubai in the most favorable case = 16 hours.

(data is from Expedia and the EK website)

If I am a F passenger (normally not so young) I would not spent 5 hours more travelling, incl. probably aircraft changes, because of a shower and some more entertainment, not even considering the fact that many prefer to travel in their own country's airline !

An afterthought:
Cities which recirculate generally a small percentage of used water into the fresh water circuit use very sophisticated and strictly supervised treatment plants.
There are also highly reliable mini-plants which can recirculate 100% of very soiled used water, but they work very slowly and for small volumes (as the spacecraft use, at astronomical   prices! )
But plants feeding such water to an only small reservoir and able to produce a high flow as eventual several consecutive shower require, recirculating 100% of the input, are much less reliable and even so, need a lot of automatic control and instrumentation.
I am not so sure, knowing where the water comes from, if I would like to use such facility !

But of course, the A380 could afford, at a cost no doubt, to carry enough fresh water so not to use re-treated one!

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23):
NH is planning on putting bidets on their B787's..

But please, no recirculation !!!

TKV

[Edited 2007-08-11 19:54:14]
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
Also, the UV filter would probably destroy it.

 checkmark  UV will also kill the bacteria. (Although, I hope they dope in a little chlorine "just to be safe.")

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
ither there will be one only for First Class or there will be one for First Class and one for Business Class. I suspect First Class only.

That was one of the "ding" phrases of this post. For F class... it has to be a given. Once one airline offers it, the amenity will become expected (a la "lie flat beds in J"). However, I think it would be a differentiator for J too. Yes, EK's lounges have showers, but there is something about arriving clean that is worth a bunch.

For DXB-JFK, a definite plus. I can see this selling seats.

Lightsaber
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 26):
We shall not forget that a first class round trip flight between as example LHR and Beijing costs today about $ 13,000, (assuming that the luxury EK will cost the same) compared with $ 3,300 Business and $ 1,700 Coach !!

The flight time direct is about 11 h non-stop, compared with 14 1/2 via Dubai, plus 1 1/2 hours lay off in Dubai in the most favorable case = 16 hours.

(data is from Expedia and the EK website)

If I am a F passenger (normally not so young) I would not spent 5 hours more travelling, incl. probably aircraft changes, because of a shower and some more entertainment, not even considering the fact that many prefer to travel in their own country's airline !

EK (and EY, QR, etc.) compete on price, undercutting carriers offering nonstop service. It's often possible to get an F ticket on EK or QR for LHR-SIN for the same price SQ are getting for C class. Showers will give EK a bit of pricing power, but not enough to match nonstop service without showers.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Agill (Reply 16):
My, my, what a wonderful way to get AIDs. Viruses need to be more than filtered out. Maybe they will use blue water from the toilet instead. yes

HIV isn't that contagious and the virus is quite unstable since it's a RNA virus. The odds of the plane crashing is an infinately bigger risk.



Quoting Agill (Reply 16):
My, my, what a wonderful way to get AIDs. Viruses need to be more than filtered out. Maybe they will use blue water from the toilet instead. yes

HIV isn't that contagious and the virus is quite unstable since it's a RNA virus. The odds of the plane crashing is an infinately bigger risk.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
It's also a physically large virus. I don't imagine HIV making it through a reverse osmosis filter. Also, the UV filter would probably destroy it.

Unfortunately, they would have to have a first class water treatment plant to recycle the water for a shower. That is because shower water must be potable.

HIV is just one of many viruses that can be spread through water, and since people can and do ingest water while showering, the water -- if recycled -- must be "fit for human consumption" at least in the USA. That includes filtering as well as chemical treatment, typically with chlorine. I suspect that EK will quietly drop this idea when they discover all the issues, or they will simply used water once.

Otherwise, they will be open to all sorts of law suits from people who "mysteriously" caught something in the shower.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 27):
UV will also kill the bacteria. (Although, I hope they dope in a little chlorine "just to be safe.")



Quoting TKV (Reply 26):
But of course, the A380 could afford, at a cost no doubt, to carry enough fresh water so not to use re-treated one!

Its not so simple when treating heavily soiled and eventually contaminated water, as experts will tell you. Anyway, as said, they really could do it without recirculating.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 27):
For DXB-JFK, a definite plus. I can see this selling seats.

If the decision is to fly DXB-JFK with or without shower, you could be right.
But if you initiate your trip in Cairo (or Mumbai, or Beijing, see my reply 26) and there are Non Stop flights available, you will not fly to DXB first (no shower ! Wink ) and spent many additional hours travelling, only to be able to shower after taking off from DXB !)

TKV
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 29):
I suspect that EK will quietly drop this idea when they discover all the issues

You seriously think they don't know that recycled water has to be cleaned???
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:46 am

If this was correct and the EK CEO is not drunk while saying that he will put showers in the aircraft, i think what would happen is the following. (i am sure this will be only for F class travellers)

As soon as you board the aircraft, the F/A will ask you if you would like to use the shower before you land in your destination. If you said yes your name will be registered and the same with other passengers, one by one.
The shower it self will be like a normal shower tray, covered with glass, where you go in and close the door and take the mini-shower. Not to forget that EK will put the finest shampoos, soaps, conditioners.....etc.
Furthermore, i think that they will provide iron service for you.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 1):
That'll be fun in turbulence!

And to think where you could fasten some safety belt around makes you think in very unhygienic solutions...
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:51 am

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 3):
... translates to late in delivery, useless, uneconomic, short-ranged, terrible fuel consumption, unreliable, unmodern, basic interior, generally speaking a huge waste of money.

No, you didn't just read that.

And before the Airbus lovers pulverize me and the Boeing lovers glorify me; That was a joke!!!!! I love Diamond Aircraft!

 rotfl 

Oh, and regarding the showers, I'm going to tell you all right now:

Not going to happen.

I just don't see EK sacrificing the space, weight, water, and maintenance that a shower system would require.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:52 am

It might be a combination shower and toilet, like on some RV's. Basically, the a water spray and a drain in a water proofed room.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 29):
HIV is just one of many viruses that can be spread through water

No, it is NOT. HIV is one of the most fragile and unstable viruses around, and are also quite easy to filter out, but just contact with air and water will render it innactive.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 29):
people can and do ingest water while showering, the water

Correct.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 29):
if recycled -- must be "fit for human consumption" at least in the USA

Incorrect. Many airlines lable the washroom/sink water as "Not Potable - Do Not Drink". That warning is acceptable for tap water, in planes and ships, and I'm reasonably sure it is sufficient for showers as well.

Quoting TKV (Reply 30):
Anyway, as said, they really could do it without recirculating.

It will be done with "first use water". They MAY recerculate shower water runoff for toilet use but I HIGHLY DOUBT EVEN THAT. People do all sorts of things in the shower (peeing being just one of the most innocuous one), so shower runnoff water is ALWAYS considered a bio hazzard. Purifying that for even toilet use is a complex and time consuming affair. My guess is that they are better off bringing the water alone and discharging rather than purifying it.

Think of it. Most showers are likely to be towards the end of the flight (on overnights, after you sleep). If they have 20 F seats (on the high side) and 20% take a shower (also on the high side) that is 4 showers say 2 hours prior to landing. At 5 galons/shower (on the high side for the shower type that you need to step on a valve to get water), that is 20 galons of water, less thatn 200 lbs. No big deal. And no need to deal with having to explain to F passengers that the water for your shower came from the shower of the nice big oil business man seated on 2 A.

Come one people. It is a simple nicety/bonus/bragging rights freebie. Don't you think EK has enough sense to avoid the negative marketing pitfalls of using someone else's runnoff to shower an F passenger?
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 20):
Agree. Showers for the F PAX on the SIN-JFK route only. Hot/moist towels for the J class folks. Y class gets a wet napkin .

No, Y class gets the used hot towels from J class!

Quoting Poitin (Reply 29):
Otherwise, they will be open to all sorts of law suits from people who "mysteriously" caught something in the shower.

They may also be sued by passengers who slip and fall and break a few bones in the shower. Slippery showers, soap and the fact that turbulence is hard to predict and can be severe are not a good combination. Even on dry land, bathtubs and showers are one of the most dangerous places for accidents in the home.

In my opinion it would make more sense to expand the availability of shower facilities in airport lounges (including arrival lounges) where you can take a shower at leisure, and forget about such gimmicks on board aircraft.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
In my opinion it would make more sense to expand the availability of shower facilities in airport lounges (including arrival lounges) where you can take a shower at leisure, and forget about such gimmicks on board aircraft.

That is an interesting suggestion. It's amazing how many otherwise excellent airlines e.g. SQ do not provide lounge and shower access to arriving passengers.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 30):
If the decision is to fly DXB-JFK with or without shower, you could be right.
But if you initiate your trip in Cairo (or Mumbai, or Beijing, see my reply 26) and there are Non Stop flights available, you will not fly to DXB first (no shower ! ) and spent many additional hours travelling, only to be able to shower after taking off from DXB !)

Your assumption is incorrect in that your not taking into account price as a factor here. How do you think EK has done so well so far ? As was mentioned previously a lot of people will take the cheaper flight if it saves them a decent amount of cash.

An example if you will; I fly regularly between the UK and the US, now I can fly direct to my usual destination, but during the summer months when prices are at their highest their is usually a £300 price difference between taking the direct flight usually on VS or BA compared with taking an in-direct flight on a US carrier. The in-direct flights usually have total travel times around 3-4 hours longer than if I just went direct. But hold on £300 saving for that little inconvenience on a day where all your doing is travelling anyway is not something I nor most folk would walk away from. And what if you where in a family group. The bigger your group is that in-direct flight's going to be saving you a lot of money.

The above is exactly what EK is providing, in-direct cheaper priced flights and usually from local airports. The same does apply for flights in all classes, not everyone is time sensitive. If they where than airlines such as EK and SQ's of the world wouldn't exist.

Now will those flying F or J go out of their way just to go to DXB and have a shower before arrival....no probably not. But it's a service they'd probably be getting because like most humans price is a factor and if they can save £1000-3000+ per ticket flying via DXB on EK they'll be on that plane. The shower is just an added bonus, but one which can easily garner return custom.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
Quoting Poitin (Reply 29):
Otherwise, they will be open to all sorts of law suits from people who "mysteriously" caught something in the shower.

They may also be sued by passengers who slip and fall and break a few bones in the shower. Slippery showers, soap and the fact that turbulence is hard to predict and can be severe are not a good combination. Even on dry land, bathtubs and showers are one of the most dangerous places for accidents in the home.

In my opinion it would make more sense to expand the availability of shower facilities in airport lounges (including arrival lounges) where you can take a shower at leisure, and forget about such gimmicks on board aircraft.

You are absolutely correct on all your points. Expect EK to either have this feature on the Sultan's personal plane, or that it will quietly disappear.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 36):
if recycled -- must be "fit for human consumption" at least in the USA

Incorrect. Many airlines lable the washroom/sink water as "Not Potable - Do Not Drink". That warning is acceptable for tap water, in planes and ships, and I'm reasonably sure it is sufficient for showers as well.

This is a US EPA health requirement. Maybe not in the rest of the world, but certainly in the USA. And for your information, I wouldn't drink any water on any airplane that did not come out of a bottle.

http://www.epa.gov/safewater/airlinewater/index2.html

One further point, except for the blue water used in toilets, NONE of the water on airplanes is recycled today. And even then, they are finding all sorts of stuff growing in the water tanks. Now you want to recycle bathing water? Right, sure.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 36):
Come one people. It is a simple nicety/bonus/bragging rights freebie. Don't you think EK has enough sense to avoid the negative marketing pitfalls of using someone else's runoff to shower an F passenger?



Quoting Baron95 (Reply 36):
Incorrect. Many airlines label the washroom/sink water as "Not Potable - Do Not Drink". That warning is acceptable for tap water, in planes and ships, and I'm reasonably sure it is sufficient for showers as well.

This warning is NOT acceptable for a shower, as more often than not people drinks unintentionally some of its water.

And YES: As even if 7 (33%) of people would take a shower, at 25 liters (~6.5 gallons) each, this would require only ~47 gallons of fresh water, about 385 lbs !! Certainly not a big deal.!
I think this is a non issue by itself and because as I said before, people will not forfeit a non stop flight
in favor of a hub in Dubai only to take a shower !!
By the way: the idea of the recycling originated at EK or at an a-netter ??

TKV
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 41):
As even if 7 (33%) of people would take a shower, at 25 liters (~6.5 gallons) each, this would require only ~47 gallons of fresh water, about 385 lbs !! Certainly not a big deal.!

385 lbs on an airliner is a big deal.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 42):



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 42):
385 lbs on an airliner is a big deal.

Sure, but Nnot if it helps to attract a sole additional F-Class passenger. And I think that the real figure will be more as 250 lbs. And the A380 with less than 500 pax has a lot of reserve !! Also the Water treatment plant with all its paraphernalia has a weight, maintenance costs !

TKV
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:45 am

The whole idea of showers on an airplane sounds pretty disgusting. Yes, it would be a commercial aviation first, but what about the health and safety risks? Not just the hygene issues - also the other issues raised of turbulence etc. would need to be addressed.

Obviously Emirates have thought this through, but it's going to be a big task keeping the showers clean during the flight. Most airlines can barely manage to keep their toilets clean!
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 38):

That is an interesting suggestion. It's amazing how many otherwise excellent airlines e.g. SQ do not provide lounge and shower access to arriving passengers.

....though not in most of its airports, AA does provide such services at its Flagship/Arrivals lounge for full-fare F (F/Z) customers..as well as for $50+VAT for economy pax flying into LHR...

http://www.aa.com/content/travelInfo...tAmenities/AAFlagshipLounges.jhtml
 
cobra27
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:49 am

Thats too much. What about olympic size swimming pool?
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:57 am

Also think about some guy or girl using way too much soap or shampoo. how can those chemicals all be filtered out, someone could be allergic to the specific product they used.
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:01 am

wasn't SRB the first one to mention that he was going to put these on his 380s way back when? I didn't see it happening then at VS and I don't see it happening now on EK either. Wouldn't it be a lot more convenient to take a shower in the lounge?
 
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
There will be a very, very small water tank and the water will be filtered and recycled.

That in itself will place a dampen of the demand for showers in the air.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
The recycled water in an airliner shower will be a lot purer than bottled or tap water.

Still! Some people will just balk at the idea of freshly recycled water possibly containing pure and freshly recycled bodily fluids.
 
PiedmontINT
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RE: Emirates A380s Will Have Showers

Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 41):
as more often than not people drinks unintentionally some of its water.

Guilty as charged.. I like to have a little drink in the morning while in the shower..

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