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CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:12 am

On 05OCT the 4:05p inbound flight EWR-BNA will operate as a mainline jet (737-300/CO353) replacing the typical ERJ and it will depart at 4:45p BNA-EWR as CO552. ExpertFlyer shows that coach is sold out on the return leg to EWR, so I'm guessing that this is a scheduled equipment sub to accommodate a group headed to EWR or beyond. IAHCSR, can you confirm?

BNA used to have several of our flights to/from IAH and EWR flown as mainline jets (primarily 735s) and in the past two years or so we've been 'downgraded' to ERJs. I know that from previous discussions, we all think that if CO had scope clause relief that they'd likely fly 70-seaters into BNA on more flights -- saving us from the ERJs. After B6 started flying BNA-JFK there were strong rumors from the CO ASAs at BNA that CO was considering upgrading a flight or two to 737s, but that never happened.

I also know from the ASAs at BNA that when they flew 100-seat 735s in the flights weren't full, whereas each of the ERJs go out filled to capacity and often oversold. I, for one, have made a conscious decision to *not* fly CO, flying NW, WN and DL instead regardless of the price of the ticket, to keep away from the ERJs and I would imagine that I am not alone.

Is there any hope that CO is working on/will push the 50-seater scope issue anytime soon -- providing relief to those of us in BNA from the ERJs? I'm a CO Plat, but not by flying CO, and would like to start flying CO again out of BNA (regardless of whether or not the plane has a F cabin), but I hate the ERJs.
 
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:35 am

I agree - I go to school out here in Nashville but I am from Houston--I travel the BNA-IAH/HOU route regularly, while I don't have a problem with ERJs I much prefer the 737. Everytime I've been on the flights they've been full or oversold -- I have a $400 voucher as proof of that. I wish they would add a 735 turn.
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting BNAtraveler (Thread starter):
I'm guessing that this is a scheduled equipment sub to accommodate a group headed to EWR or beyond. IAHCSR, can you confirm?

 yes  You are correct.
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting BNAtraveler (Thread starter):
Is there any hope that CO is working on/will push the 50-seater scope issue anytime soon -- providing relief to those of us in BNA from the ERJs? I'm a CO Plat, but not by flying CO, and would like to start flying CO again out of BNA (regardless of whether or not the plane has a F cabin), but I hate the ERJs

There is no prohibition against CO operating RJs larger than 50 seats, rather the Scope section requires that pilots from the CO pilot seniority list fly those aircraft.

Generally, it's assumed that this would be too expensive. However, CO has not made any proposal to the pilot's union (ALPA). They did make one (and only one) inquiry about relief from the Scope clause, but the union said "Not interested at this time" which was intended to mean that CO pilots should fly any large RJ. Again, CO has not pursued the issue (though I expect that they will for the next contract (IMHO)) and in general, I believe that the CO pilots would like to fly them.
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 3):
though I expect that they will for the next contract (IMHO)

It looks like talks have begun: http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/A...itemid=8888&ModuleId=8300&Tabid=73
 
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 4):
It looks like talks have begun

True enough, though no large or monetary issues will cross the table before the end of the year. From a different perspective, CO hasn't yet ordered any large RJs and considering the backlog at Embraer, wouldn't CO have to go with large CRJs in order to quickly enter the large RJ arena? Or are there slots to be had on the Embraer line?

As CO phases out some of the 737-500s and adds 737-800s and -900ERs, the resulting and increasing gap in lift capacities does concern me. How will CO handle the schedule to markets that currently see the -500s?
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 5):
As CO phases out some of the 737-500s and adds 737-800s and -900ERs, the resulting and increasing gap in lift capacities does concern me. How will CO handle the schedule to markets that currently see the -500s?

Many, many segments now flown by the 735/733/73G can support the 738........do look for many aircraft allocation changes in the medium term future as 733/735s leave the CO fleet and additional larger 737NGs are introduced.
 
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:13 pm

Well - hopefully CO will return a 737 to the BNA market in the near term - I'm tired of the ERJs - even though I like them, but mainline is mainline.
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:37 pm

SDF gets 737-300, 737-500, 737-800, 737-700 from CO during the Kentucky Derby. CO seems to be really good, as does most of the carriers, at putting up mainline fleet to handle the influx of passengers here when needed.

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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 8):
SDF gets 737-300, 737-500, 737-800, 737-700 from CO during the Kentucky Derby. CO seems to be really good, as does most of the carriers, at putting up mainline fleet to handle the influx of passengers here when needed.

John

Yeah, but BNA is a larger station with more flights and more pax per day, so one could assume that a 737 SHOULD be on one of the flights to and from here each day. To many that would be common sense, but obviously not to Continental. It would be nice to have a real reason as to why they do what they do here. 17 flights a day and all are ERJ's.

I have heard everything from equipment shortages to the more the flights (obviously meaning smaller equipment) the more the airport authority pockets in the way of money from landing fees, etc.. Who knows, but you would think that a city the size of Nashville would have mainline on atleast one Continental or United flight a day. The fact that we don't and other, smaller, cities do is just weird. But, I digress.
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:45 pm

This is cool news. I live here in Nashville, and am sick to death of seeing WN 733's and 73G's, DL MD88's and CRJ's, AA MD80's, and CO's damn ERJ's. It will be refreshing to see a different colored 737. I wonder if they will bring us their 737's more often. And why does BNA not receive 757's very often?? Being an entertainment center (no surprise I'm a musician) why aren't there larger aircraft coming into BNA???
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 10):
eing an entertainment center (no surprise I'm a musician) why aren't there larger aircraft coming into BNA???

Because its entertainment tourism draw is very limited comparitively speaking. While Nashville is a cool little city--its not really a whole lot going on here. Country music doesn't bring in 757s.
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:29 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 11):
Because its entertainment tourism draw is very limited comparitively speaking. While Nashville is a cool little city--its not really a whole lot going on here. Country music doesn't bring in 757s.

It has become more of a corporate center in the last few years. You'd be VERY surprised at all that is taking place here. Number one Business Relocation and Headquarters Center in America for over two years straight!

And let's face it, there is more here than just Country Music and most people who know, know this to be fact.

If there is one reason we don't see 757's here reguarly it's because WN keeps loads on the legacies down. DL sends us 757's when they get a need for them here usually in the fall and winter. AA could probably put a 75 on the LAX flight with the pax and cargo that the flight has on it. But, these a/c's are better utilized somewhere else. But it does bear mentioning there are markets that are smaller than BNA that receive mainline and larger a/c on a daily basis from some of the legacies.
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 11):
Country music doesn't bring in 757s.

Yah I know, I can't really stand country myself. Even worse for me, I'm studying jazz here. Oh well, hopefully CO will start sending something other than their RJ's
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:13 am

Whats the rankings of carriers at BNA? WN-> AA-> DL-> NW-> US->CO?
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:48 am

Carrier Shares for May 2006 - April 2007

Carrier.......................Passengers........Share
Southwest..................4,831................50.54%
American......................990................10.36%
Northwest.....................609..................6.37%
Delta............................481..................5.03%
Expressjet/CO..............391..................4.09%
Other........................2,256.................23.61%

Based on enplaned passengers(000).

source: BTS TransStats (http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airport...,%20TN:%20Nashville%20Metropolitan)
 
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RE: CO 733 Visiting BNA 05OCT

Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 15):
Carrier.......................Passengers........Share
Southwest..................4,831................50.54%
American......................990................10.36%
Northwest.....................609..................6.37%
Delta............................481..................5.03%
Expressjet/CO..............391..................4.09%
Other........................2,256.................23.61%

WOW! No wonder the legacies could give a big rip about this market. Minus AA and NW, nobody else even comes close here. Let this be a lesson to those markets that are similar in size to Nashville that beg and beg for WN to come in and offer 90 or so flights a day. Take a little means you give A LOT. Personally, I don't think it's worth it.
Nashville, Tennessee KBNA

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