Northwest Unveils New Regional Jet - E-175

KarlB737 · Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:30 pm

The aircraft that will be used by Compass is now visable. I must say the interior looks a lot more comfortable than I expected. Photo in second article of interior. Photo in first article of exterior. As has been pointed out MSP has two now. DTW will see its first in January of 2008. I hope this new aircraft will greatly enhance the quality of CRJ flying over the CRJ-200s for the flying public.

Courtesy: The Detroit News

Northwest Unveils New Regional Jet - E-175
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...cle?AID=/20070814/UPDATE/708140422

Northwest E-175 Jet Offers Midsize Luxury
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...e?AID=/20070815/BIZ/708150344/1001

wilco737 · Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:33 pm

Looks like EMB is getting really big now... Congrats to EMB, keep up the good work and you will fight Airbus and Boeing and make their life harder. hehe

WILCO737 (MD11F)
airplane

BMIFlyer · Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:34 pm

The E175 looks good in the NWA livery Big grin

Lee

EMBQA · Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:09 pm

Not really new news. The Northwest/Compass E175 has been flying for a few months now and there have already been several threads with pictures. In fact one of our fellow A.neters has his photo used in a Compass presentation

[Edited 2007-08-15 15:10:04]

CRJ900 · Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:18 pm

Will NWA present the CRJ900 the same way? After all, they will be used on the network just as much as the E175...

mspguy · Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:31 pm

Why did NW pick different interior colors between the E175 and CRJ 900?

wingnutmn · Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:49 pm

NW has already introduced the 900 the same way. Big press show and all the bells and whistles. My question is other than the color of the seats, are the seats exactly the same or are they different companies? Obviously the same company equals cheaper prices!

WingnutMN

flyf15 · Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:01 pm

But remember boys and girls.... this airplane, although it has first class, long range, and will be serving major cities.... is somehow not good enough to be a mainline aircraft and will be contracted out to a regional airline. This is your DC-9 replacement that everyone talks about.

DIA · Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:14 pm

Interesting that these a/c are still refered to as "regional jets." They are not. In fact, if they were, they would be named ERJ-175 instead of E-175 (throughout the E-jet family). After flying in some of these a/c myself, I can atest to the fact that they are definately a big step beyond an RJ. Ah, da heck wit it, dem all' semantics doh...right?

KarlB737 · Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
This is your DC-9 replacement that everyone talks about.

From the second article:

"He said that are no plans to replace Northwest's aging DC-9 fleet with the Embraer 175. While Compass may take some routes currently flown by DC-9s, Bendoraitis said those DC-9s probably would be moved to other routes."

okie73 · Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 8):
Interesting that these a/c are still refered to as "regional jets." They are not. In fact, if they were, they would be named ERJ-175 instead of E-175 (throughout the E-jet family).................., dem all' semantics doh...right?

semantics yes. But for a reason. They call them RJs because they want to be able to outsource them and pay the employees less. The E-175 is about the same size as the DC-9-10. There is no reason the pilots or flight attendants on an E-175 should be paid less.

flyf15 · Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 9):
"He said that are no plans to replace Northwest's aging DC-9 fleet with the Embraer 175. While Compass may take some routes currently flown by DC-9s, Bendoraitis said those DC-9s probably would be moved to other routes."

Yeah, I know thats what the article says, but I'll bet you a dollar that in the end, the Embraer jets (along with CRJ-900) will be the DC-9 replacement.

bobnwa · Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
But remember boys and girls.... this airplane, although it has first class, long range, and will be serving major cities.... is somehow not good enough to be a mainline aircraft and will be contracted out to a regional airline. This is your DC-9 replacement that everyone talks about.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
Yeah, I know thats what the article says, but I'll bet you a dollar that in the end, the Embraer jets (along with CRJ-900) will be the DC-9 replacement

I will take your bet, the E-175 will NOT replace the DC-9's.

SNCNtry32 · Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
Yeah, I know thats what the article says, but I'll bet you a dollar that in the end, the Embraer jets (along with CRJ-900) will be the DC-9 replacement.

And I remember when someone told me they wont be switching a lot of their flying to a regional carrier.

Sharp looking bird.

dbo861 · Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:26 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Not really new news. The Northwest/Compass E175 has been flying for a few months now and there have already been several threads with pictures.

Are you sure about this? From the first article listed above is dated 8/14/07...

"Northwest and Compass showcased the new airplane at Detroit Metro Airport. Compass will receive 36 of the aircraft by the end of 2008.

It's first two Embraer 175 will begin flying Tuesday out of Minneapolis."

luisca · Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:42 am

Wont the DC-9s be replaced by E95s in mainline? Did I dream this? sorry for the stupid question I have been out of the loop on a lot of things lately, way to busy at work for A.net!

MattRB · Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:54 am

Great aircraft from a passenger perspective.

To the NW ground handlers that will have to work this aircraft, you have my condolences. Watch your head in the holds!

EMBQA · Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 14):
Are you sure about this? From the first article listed above is dated 8/14/07...

There are photos in the data base from June 30 of this year....and at the same time we had several threads running

AA737-823 · Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 8):
if they were, they would be named ERJ-175

Duuhhhhhhhhhh..... they ARE named ERJ. Just look at the type certificate.
Wha-bam.

DIA · Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 18):
uhhhhhhhhhh..... they ARE named ERJ. Just look at the type certificate.
Wha-bam.

I don't quite understand your excessive emotion on this...anyway...

I should clarify: I am talking purely on a marketing standpoint...they are E-Jets...hence E-170, not ERJ-170.

http://www.embraercommercialjets.com.../english/content/ejets/emb_170.asp

toltommy · Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):

I will take your bet, the E-175 will NOT replace the DC-9's.

I'm with you.... My money is on the Bomardier C-Series.

Indy · Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:38 am

That E-175 is a sexy piece of work. I can't wait to see one of those here in IND in the NW colors.

bobnwa · Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 15):
Wont the DC-9s be replaced by E95s in mainline? Did I dream this? sorry for the stupid question I have been out of the loop on a lot of things lately, way to busy at work for A.net!

NWA has not ordered any E95s. They very well may, but not at this time.

787kq · Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 10):
semantics yes. But for a reason. They call them RJs because they want to be able to outsource them and pay the employees less. The E-175 is about the same size as the DC-9-10. There is no reason the pilots or flight attendants on an E-175 should be paid less.

Is there any reason those working on the DC-9 should be paid more than for regional jets?

EMBQA · Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:17 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 18):
they ARE named ERJ.

They are NOT...!!!! When the EMB170/175/190/195 Family of jets first were proposed they were going to be called the ERJ170-100, ERJ170-200, ERJ190-100 and ERJ190-200. Embraer decided that this plane was to be sold at a market above the traditional 'regional' aircraft market and renamed them the Embraer 170, Embraer 175, Embraer 190 and Embraer 195. They were so serious about this they made us repaint our lobby model to reflect the name change.

The TCDS carries the ERJ name because it was first filed under that name and the time and cost to change it was not worth it.....but if you look it calls them the ERJ170-100, ERJ170-200...etc.

mrocktor · Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
not good enough to be a mainline aircraft

Not a matter of "good enough", its a matter of "mainline pilots will not accept the level of pay required to make this economically feasible". Of course they shoot themselves in the foot but if someone is that interested in limiting their own employability, that is their problem.

Quoting DIA (Reply 8):
they would be named ERJ-175 instead of E-175

They were named ERJ170-200. The name was changed because of branding. The jet remains the same. In fact, in terms of range, the CRJs and ERJs are not "regional" either.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 9):
He said that are no plans to replace Northwest's aging DC-9 fleet with the Embraer 175

I'd say not. But then, they have 100 options convertible to the E190 or E195.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 15):
Wont the DC-9s be replaced by E95s in mainline? Did I dream this? sorry for the stupid question I have been out of the loop on a lot of things lately, way to busy at work for A.net!

Its speculation. Not wild, but still speculation.

MD80Nut · Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 8):
Interesting that these a/c are still refered to as "regional jets." They are not. In fact, if they were, they would be named ERJ-175 instead of E-175 (throughout the E-jet family). After flying in some of these a/c myself, I can atest to the fact that they are definately a big step beyond an RJ. Ah, da heck wit it, dem all' semantics doh...right?

If you visit Embraer's website, they refer to the E-jets as regional jets. I agree with you, after flying on the ERJ-170 it's hard to think of them as regional jets, given how comfortable they are compared to Bombadier's regional jets, as well as Embraer's own ERJ-145 family. Heck, I think they are more comfortable than most maniline jets, let alone regionals! Obviously a big step up from what we've come to expect from the regional jet label.

Cheers, Ralph

zululima · Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:51 am

Sexy on the outside...bland on the inside. NW should have used a splash of red on the headrests or something. I saw one here in DFW nearly a month ago, what took so long for the official unveiling?

JetJock22 · Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 16):
Great aircraft from a passenger perspective

Working for B6 and having the opporunity to ride the E-190 frequently, I must say that I LOVE that plane from a passenger standpoint and it looks as if the 175 won't be much different. The 190 is a really comfy ride. I suppose the ptv's help too

okie73 · Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 23):
Is there any reason those working on the DC-9 should be paid more than for regional jets?

assuming both seat the same amount, no. A DC-9-10 seats about the same as a CRJ-900 or E-175. The pilots should be paid the same.

Of course then the question becomes are mainline pilots paid too much or are regional pilots paid too little. GIven the trouble regionals are having recruiting pilots lately, I would say the latter.

thering · Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:47 am

[quote=TOLtommy,reply=20]Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):

I will take your bet, the E-175 will NOT replace the DC-9's.

I wouldn't be so sure....

While lot of people say that the Cseries have an advantage over the E-Jets when talking about DC-9s replacing due to the 2x3 layout, the 2x2 layout of the E-Jets make the seats wider, and please a lot of passengers.. The seating capacity of the C110 and the E-195 is the same, and e.g. would be C8Y98, 106 total, or with only Economy, from 110-125... The C110ER beats the E-195AR in range, flying 2.700nm non-stop, against 2.400nm.

Will be a good fight... But I would bet on the E95s, mainly now that they are operating E75s with Compass....

N801NW · Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:04 am

FWIW, the non-stop MHT- MSP flight moves from an A319 to the Compass E-175 on November 4th.

MSP-MHT NW2023 1:15 - 4:50 PM
MHT-MSP NW2022 5:35 - 7:33 PM

DTWAGENT · Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:02 am

Question. In one of the past forums on the CRJ-900 and the E-175, it was stated the DTW would not see them because of a clause in the current pilots contract. Is this true or not?

Chuck

PSU.DTW.SCE · Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 32):
Question. In one of the past forums on the CRJ-900 and the E-175, it was stated the DTW would not see them because of a clause in the current pilots contract. Is this true or not?

Entirely 100% not true, but I do know what you are talking about.....

That post was refering to the CRJ-900 aircraft that Pinnacle will be operating as Delta Connection. Pinnacle is not allowed to fly, per the Air Service Agreement signed with Northwest, as any other brand besides Northwest Airlink into NW hubs (DTW, MSP, MEM).

Mesaba ( a wholy owned subsidary of Northwest) operates Saab 340s, CRJ-200's, and CRJ-900's as Northwest Airlink.
Compass ( a wholy owned subsidary of Northwest) operates EMB-175 as Northwest Airlink
Pinnacle Airlines (a subsidary of Pinnacle Holdings, which also owns Colgan), operates CRJ-200 as Northwest Airlink, and will soon begin to fly CRJ-900's as Delta Connection.

Pinnacle does not operate any of the CRJ-900's used by NWA.

CR9 service out of MSP started in June, starts flying out of DTW in Mid-Sept.
E75 service out of MSP starts on 8/21, starts flying out if DTW in Jan.

aveugle · Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:10 am

It looks nice inside and out. I guess I will only be seeing the outside because I never fly NW...

KingAir200 · Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:40 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 16):
To the NW ground handlers that will have to work this aircraft, you have my condolences. Watch your head in the holds!

Not a fun bin to be in? Does anyone know how the compartments on the E-175 compare to those on the DC-9?

bobnwa · Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 30):
I wouldn't be so sure....

While lot of people say that the Cseries have an advantage over the E-Jets when talking about DC-9s replacing due to the 2x3 layout, the 2x2 layout of the E-Jets make the seats wider, and please a lot of passengers.. The seating capacity of the C110 and the E-195 is the same, and e.g. would be C8Y98, 106 total, or with only Economy, from 110-125... The C110ER beats the E-195AR in range, flying 2.700nm non-stop, against 2.400nm.

Will be a good fight... But I would bet on the E95s, mainly now that they are operating E75s

My comment was that the E-175 would not replace the DC-9's as originally stated by Flyf15. The E-190 or E-195 were not being discussed.

access-air · Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:28 pm

I see that the new plane here is meant to replace what used to be flown by the old DC9-10s series of aircraft...Those routes were formerly flown/replaced by the Mesaba ARJs...but of course as we all know, 4 stovepipes on any airliner, in cluding the ARJ "appears" too expenseive to operate....to the bean counters...Thats too bad because in my opinion the ARL/BAe146 is more akin ot the a DC9 width wise than any of the ERJs or CRJs....

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 27):
what took so long for the official unveiling?

Perhaps they were doing proving runs....

Access-Air

Lexy · Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 37):
Perhaps they were doing proving runs....

They had to do flight familiarization with the crews and the FAA had to ride along as well.

access-air · Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting Lexy (Reply 38):
Quoting Access-Air (Reply 37):
Perhaps they were doing proving runs....

They had to do flight familiarization with the crews and the FAA had to ride along as well.

Thats what Proving runs are.... Smile

And of course with the FAA onboard they could also be doing IOE (Initial Operating Experience) runs...

Access-Air

tjwgrr · Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 27):
I saw one here in DFW nearly a month ago, what took so long for the official unveiling?

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 37):
Perhaps they were doing proving runs....

Yep. Had N602CZ here in GRR numerous times on proving runs operating as CPZ2088, 2089, 2090 & 2091. Great looking bird!

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © John padgett

Looks like their second E175, N603CZ arrived stateside from Brazil on 04-Aug.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N603CZ

CIDFlyer · Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:45 am

looks great! when can MEM expect to see them?

bnatraveler · Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:06 pm

Today is the day for the launch of the E75 with NW* (CP)

Routing for the next few days is as follows

E75#1:

NW*(CP) 2039 OMA 5:00A MSP 6:10A (starts 8/22)
NW*(CP) 2036 MSP 7:05A OMA 8:22A
NW*(CP) 2037 OMA 9:12A MSP 10:28A
NW*(CP) 2061 MSP 11:20A DFW 1:57P
NW*(CP) 2060 DFW 2:40P MSP 5:14P
NW*(CP) 2074 MSP 6:49P OMA 7:59P

E75#2:

NW*(CP) 2073 BNA 8:23A MSP 10:40A (starts 8/22)
NW*(CP) 2073 MSP 11:32A MSO 1:26P
NW*(CP) 2074 MSO 2:06P MSP 5:48P
NW*(CP) 2030 MSP 7:09P BNA 9:24P

Lexy · Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 42):
NW*(CP) 2030 MSP 7:09P BNA 9:24P

As a photographer, that sucks. Oh well. lol!!! You win some and you lose some I suppose.

United_fan · Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):
That E-175 is a sexy piece of work. I can't wait to see one of those here in IND in the NW colors.

Ditto for seeing them in ROC Smile

bnatraveler · Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 42):
NW*(CP) 2037 OMA 9:12A MSP 10:28A

...is delayed due to ATC CONSTRAINTS, so it will be interesting to see how the re-schedule to accommodate given 2 planes and the pivot around MSP.

bobnwa · Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 45):
is delayed due to ATC CONSTRAINTS, so it will be interesting to see how the re-schedule to accommodate given 2 planes and the pivot around MSP.

That means that passengers will be writing into NWA demanding to be compensated for the inconvenience and someone on A.net will start a thread stating Northwest doesn't care."

bnatraveler · Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 45):

...is delayed due to ATC CONSTRAINTS, so it will be interesting to see how the re-schedule to accommodate given 2 planes and the pivot around MSP.

It looks like MSPDFW will be flown with the idle aircraft (won't be idle tomorrow due to BNAMSP starting tomorrow) and swapping planes and delaying MSPMSO.

Lexy · Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:01 am

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 45):
...is delayed due to ATC CONSTRAINTS, so it will be interesting to see how the re-schedule to accommodate given 2 planes and the pivot around MSP.

Oh how nice. First day too.

burnsie28 · Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
The Northwest/Compass E175 has been flying for a few months now and there have already been several threads with pictures

But not in passenger service. Today was the first day for that.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
Will NWA present the CRJ900 the same way? After all, they will be used on the network just as much as the E175...

They did, back in June, i was on the aircraft its first day of operations.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
this airplane, although it has first class, long range, and will be serving major cities.... is somehow not good enough to be a mainline aircraft and will be contracted out to a regional airline.

Some of the major cities are not DC-9 replacement flights, in fact its taking over a CRJ-200 time slot. Secondly, the E175 is allowing cities to be served year round again that were seasonal like YVR. I also wouldnt call MSO a major city.

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
Yeah, I know thats what the article says, but I'll bet you a dollar that in the end, the Embraer jets (along with CRJ-900) will be the DC-9 replacement.

They are too small, the DC-9 (100-125 seats) is still widely needed. Its not decided yet.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 15):
Wont the DC-9s be replaced by E95s in mainline?

No official word, that was the thinking of it originally.

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 27):
Sexy on the outside...bland on the inside. NW should have used a splash of red on the headrests or something. I saw one here in DFW nearly a month ago, what took so long for the official unveiling?

Certification for crews.

Quoting N801NW (Reply 31):
FWIW, the non-stop MHT- MSP flight moves from an A319 to the Compass E-175 on November 4th.

Which is allowing it to go year round again. A kid up here would often have to go GFK-MSP-DTW-MHT because the MSP-MHT non-stop didn't exist during the winter time.

Good to hear that it will serve new destinations from DTW, and probably MSP (Possible RNO back). However, with that said the E175's will be mostly MSP based and the CRJ-900's are mostly going to be DTW based.

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