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Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:58 am
by iwannagothere
Does anyone know hoe EI is doing post oneworld? Will they be able to survive as a low-cost carrier with Ryannair around?

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:58 am
by BrianDromey
Quoting Iwannagothere (Thread starter):
Does anyone know hoe EI is doing post oneworld? Will they be able to survive as a low-cost carrier with Ryannair around?

They seem to be doing fine. They have maintained FFP liknks with BA, QF, AA and CX. They continue to codeshare with American and British Airways.

EI were too peripheral to OW to make it really work. They never reall needed to join an alliance in the first place.

As for the future, it seems messy at the minute, but there are announcements about a new nase outside the Republic, and bases in WAW and BHX might also be seen in the future.

for more on this you might want to call round to teh Irish Aviantion Threads.....you owuld be more than welcome.

Brian.

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:33 pm
by 7LBAC111
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 1):
As for the future, it seems messy at the minute, but there are announcements about a new nase outside the Republic

Er, a week ago they announced BFS....

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:19 pm
by OA260
Leaving Oneworld didn't impact that much really. As Brian said they have kept agreements with the main members and have codeshares with them. I think that maybe it was the right decision for EI. Members of the Aer Lingus Gold Circle club still get lounge access to AA BA and can get miles etc... so I haven't heard too many complaints.

Also as stated by Brian there have been announcements of a new base which is at BFS a few hours up the road from Dublin. This has brought both positive and negative issues to light and they have been discussed at length on the Irish thread. It is however great news to see Aer Lingus having a major base in the North of the Island after an absence of 6 years. The BFS base should prove a success for Aer Lingus as it has alot of support from trade and industry and politicians.

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:32 pm
by EISHN
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 1):
EI were too peripheral to OW to make it really work. They never reall needed to join an alliance in the first place.

When EI joined OW seven years ago in 2000, they had about 10 or so routes to mainland Europe, and then about another 10 to the U.K. and six to the U.S. Pax needed the connections at LHR for flights to Europe, as well as Asia, Africa, Australia/New Zealand, plus North and South American destinations (which could also have been achieved with AA stateside).
I believe EI seven years ago had benefited quite a bit from OW, but with the way EI has changed over the last few years, they seemed to fob OW and just do things their way, low cost, point-point.
I still think they should have remained in OW because it did benefit the traveller quite a bit.

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:21 am
by WonderFan
I think EI has turned into a low cost airline and with it comes a little loss of prestige. They are on the verge of being in the league of the FR, U2, ...

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:30 am
by 7LBAC111
Quoting WonderFan (Reply 5):
I think EI has turned into a low cost airline and with it comes a little loss of prestige. They are on the verge of being in the league of the FR, U2, ...

Prestige doesn't earn you bags of money.

Reason being, while EI more than most have cut fares and costs to rock bottom, they still maintain a Full Service product on Longhaul sectors, as well as FQTV benefits, interlining etc. Lets not forget that of all the international carriers, EI suffered more than most after 9/11, and should be commended for maintaing their individuality and service standards. Standards FR and U2 could only dream of... (though for FR, they couldn't care!)

BD have taken a similar stance. Perhaps more fragmented, in that they offer 'baby' online only fares, BoB products on some routes, and Full service on others. They even retain a C cabin on some shorthaul routes. Further examples, though to a lesser extent would be SK (through Snowflake)..

7L

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:59 am
by bx737
Pax numbers are up since leaving Oneworld. The product EI was offering did not fall into whatOneworld expected of its members. Rumour has it that the costs of remaining in Oneworld far outweighed the benefits that EI were getting from Oneworld, so from a cost point of view the airline left by mutual consent.

It is also worth noting that EI have announced further code-share deals with airlines. There is Jetblue, BA, AA, rumours of United and Aer Arann, in addition to KLM.

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:11 am
by OA260
Quoting Bx737 (Reply 7):
rumours of United

United is comming onboard apparantly . Will be good to have that link up.

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:17 am
by bx737
Thanks for that OA260, (strange to be discussing stuff with you outside the Irish threads Big grin )

RE: Aer Lingus After OneWorld

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:22 am
by OA260
Quoting Bx737 (Reply 9):
Thanks for that OA260, (strange to be discussing stuff with you outside the Irish threads )

LOL...yeah like being on holiday away from Ireland LOL.... I thought the UA thing would happen alot sooner but then again we all thought the JetBlue thing would be also. EI deffo need the domestic links . I have been able to book EI/UA for a while now in our CRS systems for say DUB-ORD-DEN with one ticket and full interlining. Its just the website thats not properly up yet.