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AC From YYT To LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:01 pm

Its been awhile now Air Canada offering nonstop flight to Heathrow from St John's using A319. The smallest a/c flying over the Atlantic Ocean as a commercial flight. How's the flight experience aboard the A319 over the Atlantic and are the loads pretty much 90%? FLT# AC830 and AC831. Anyone flown the plane over the Atlantic lately?
 
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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:47 pm

I can't comment on how well the route is doing for AC, but there is a good trip report from May 2007 here...
RE: Amazing Trip Across The Atlantic By A319 (Pics) (by Contact Air May 28 2007 in Trip Reports)

If I had a reason to go to YYT that would be an interesting flight to take!
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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:43 pm

Cannot comment on how well the flight does in term of revenue or loads. However it seems to be C-GITR and C-GITP that operate the route from YYT to LHR and vice versa.

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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:25 pm

Cool thanks for the link, didn't realize there was a report already. Its pretty cool to see the small airbus A319 make the transatlantic route  Smile
 
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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:21 pm

The loads were low early on in the service with a daily average of 30-50 pax traveling, however, in July and August, loads were usually 80-100%. There usually are'nt very many connecting pax on the flight because of the arrival time in LHR, however, if London is the final destination, then it is great. We still send many pax out on other flights to YYZ,YHZ,YUL to connect to LHR due to further downline connections.
The service is ending at the beggining of Sept. One month earlier than originally planned. This is due mainly to small loads and lack of cargo for the flight booked for Sept and Oct.
In a side note, Astraeus also pulled out of the YYT-LGW route due again to poor load factors. Many of their flights had less than 10 people flying. Obviously, they cold not sustain the flights with loads like that.
When we lost the 763 flying YYT-LHR-YYT, much of the cargo capacity was lost. We were sending a lot of large bulky cargo that the A319 can't accomodate.
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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:58 am

This is the schedule for next year so far, however bear in mind this could change....

AC 830 7 YYT LHR 3 1255 2125 0 06APR08 27APR08 319 5:00
AC 831 7 LHR 3 YYT 2240 0045+1 0 06APR08 27APR08 319 5:35

AC 830 X12 YYT LHR 3 1255 2125 0 01MAY08 10AUG08 319 5:00
AC 831 X12 LHR 3 YYT 2240 0045+1 0 01MAY08 10AUG08 319 5:35



I wonder if they would consider to use a A320 for the month of July and August next year ...




 

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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Ac_b777 (Reply 4):
In a side note, Astraeus also pulled out of the YYT-LGW route due again to poor load factors. Many of their flights had less than 10 people flying. Obviously, they cold not sustain the flights with loads like that.

When did they pull out? I assume they are keeping Deer Lake?

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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 6):
When did they pull out? I assume they are keeping Deer Lake?

My apologies, they have'nt pulled out of YYT yet. According to Astraeus website, they will cease the service as of Sept 18.
Yes, they are continueing to fly to YDF as it has a high tourist demand.
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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
it seems to be C-GITR and C-GITP that operate the route from YYT to LHR and vice versa.

 checkmark  Those are the only two A319's that AC paid to have the modifications necessary for over Atlantic flight. Why only two? The cerficiation itself required for the pair, if I'm not mistaken was near, $1,000,000....

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RE: AC From YYT To LHR

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:37 am

That's a great trip report linked above.

It's really not a long flight at all is it? It's just the "psychology" of crossing the pond in a small lonely 319. many N American carriers do longer trans con flights in 319s/320s in terms of time in air--and even look at AC operating YYZ CCS and YYZ BOG in 319s, both flights are far longer than the YYT LHR run but again don't "seem" it.

I guess the loads just are not there to justify running YYT LHR year-round. Although does Halifax LHR not remain a daily 763 throughout winter, or is it reduced as well?

Martime routes to LHR are a bit unusual when you think of it, it would be a major backtrack to go to YOW YYZ or even YUL but there are not too many other options if direct service were not offered.

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