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F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:25 am

Do passenegrs prefer being seated there? is there a problem when getting of the plane considerng the Y class rush qued up at teh exits? do the stairs on the 744 and 743 lead to Y section below or J cabin?
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Do passenegrs prefer being seated there?

Many people prefer the upper deck as it is a quite and intimate enviroment. Many Pax say the service is also better up there.

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
is there a problem when getting of the plane considerng the Y class rush qued up at teh exits? do the stairs on the

I have been on many flights where a crew member will block the Y cabin in order to let the upper deck exit first.

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
do the stairs on the 744 and 743 lead to Y section below or J cabin?

Depends on the airline.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:37 am

The nice thing about the upper deck is there are fewer passengers around to disturb you.

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
do the stairs on the 744 and 743 lead to Y section below or J cabin?

The stairs lead down to door 2. What seats may be found before or aft of door 2 is up to each airline.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
I have been on many flights where a crew member will block the Y cabin in order to let the upper deck exit first.

All decent airlines do this.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:47 am

I usually love the upper deck...more privacy, better service (generally), and I like the side compartments. Only drawback is there is no room to store larger carry-ons like a rollaboard.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:52 am

Upper deck is the place to be and as stated above is very more intimate.

If an airline is doing its job correct it will block the aisle and let all the F & J passengers disembark before the Y stampede starts. That goes for any aircraft not just a 744
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:56 am

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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:58 am

I was surprised how wide the UD was. I was expecting a 757, but it was more like a 767 in it's sense of spaciousness.

I do like that LH puts First Class upstairs as it is far less crowded then the nose section. When I fly First on other airlines, I try and choose 777 and A330/A340 flights rather then be in the nose of the 747.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
I was surprised how wide the UD was. I was expecting a 757, but it was more like a 767 in it's sense of spaciousness.

I agree that the UD somehow feels spacious, but the actual width at seat level is quite similar to that of a 757.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
I usually love the upper deck...more privacy, better service (generally), and I like the side compartments. Only drawback is there is no room to store larger carry-ons like a rollaboard.

The only drawback of the UD is that the windows are terribly slanted....the view is much better from the LD.....
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
The only drawback of the UD is that the windows are terribly slanted....the view is much better from the LD.....

When on the ground, I agree it's really tough to look out. But once you're in the air, the downward view is really nice as it makes it easy to see what's below you.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
Many people prefer the upper deck as it is a quite and intimate enviroment. Many Pax say the service is also better up there.

SAA has Y in upper deck on its 744s and it is great, 3" more pitch than main deck Y and the aforementioned small intimate cabin. Damned new generation fleet 340s  Sad
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 10):
SAA has Y in upper deck on its 744s and it is great, 3" more pitch than main deck Y and the aforementioned small intimate cabin.

If anyone wants to try that out, there are only a few months left until they will be retired.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 10):
SAA has Y in upper deck on its 744s and it is great, 3" more pitch than main deck Y and the aforementioned small intimate cabin

I generally dislike upperdeck, and it is all due to SAA. On a flight from JFK to JNB they changed my window seat before boarding (so some couple could sit together) and gave me the aisle seat right in front in the upperdeck. In the two seats to the left, were two plus sized ladies. The one in the middle had a breastfeeding baby. I spent the entire leg to Dakar being kept awake by the baby crying, and then getting shifted around to breastfeed, probably every 60 min. Needless to say, the crying kept everyone awake in the confined upperdeck. The leg to JNB was just plain uncomfortable, squashed and no where to look without seeing boob.

I couldn't understand why they'd put a baby on the upperdeck, as the sound would be much louder there. Afterwards, I was told that it was probably not quite permissable, apparently upper deck is harder too evacuate and thus children, elderly and infirm are met to be on the maindeck. Don't know how true this is, but it sure was a pain.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:54 am

I've only ever flown on the upper deck with VS, but I do prefer it. It is quieter and more personal in my opinon. The stairs on VS' 744's come down into the aft area of the J cabin, almost in line with the L2/R2 door, and generally a good flight service manager will ensure that J and W have disembarked before allowing the Y cabins to empty. I've never had to wait for Y to get off... it always has been a nice simple walk down the steps then bear left and out the L2 door.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 12):
I generally dislike upperdeck, and it is all due to SAA. On a flight from JFK to JNB they changed my window seat before boarding (so some couple could sit together) and gave me the aisle seat right in front in the upperdeck. In the two seats to the left, were two plus sized ladies. The one in the middle had a breastfeeding baby. I spent the entire leg to Dakar being kept awake by the baby crying, and then getting shifted around to breastfeed, probably every 60 min. Needless to say, the crying kept everyone awake in the confined upperdeck. The leg to JNB was just plain uncomfortable, squashed and no where to look without seeing boob.

I couldn't understand why they'd put a baby on the upperdeck, as the sound would be much louder there. Afterwards, I was told that it was probably not quite permissable, apparently upper deck is harder too evacuate and thus children, elderly and infirm are met to be on the maindeck. Don't know how true this is, but it sure was a pain.

That's unfortunate. I have flown SAA upper deck maybe 15 times and every time it has been a pleasure.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 14):
hat's unfortunate. I have flown SAA upper deck maybe 15 times and every time it has been a pleasure.

It was my first and only bad SAA flight to date. Maybe I'll try it again, one day, as the consensus here seems to be that it is a good part of the aircraft to travel.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
I do like that LH puts First Class upstairs as it is far less crowded then the nose section. When I fly First on other airlines, I try and choose 777 and A330/A340 flights rather then be in the nose of the 747.

I agree that I prefer LH's F on the upper deck. The drawback.... Passengers who have difficulty climbing stairs have who want F class have no downstairs option.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:23 am

I have mixed feelings about the Upper Deck. As others have said, it has an intimate feel with usually better service, almost like what I imagine a 20-person private jet would feel like. Also, there's a sense of being taken back to the romantic age of air travel when one enters the aircraft and heads up the stairs to the UD. On the other hand, half the fun of taking a 747 is the sense of size and majesty one gets on the main deck, which is largely absent in the UD (except you do get the sense of height when you're on the ground). Obviously, if the UD is C and the LD front is J (such as on EVA and UA), then it's a no-brainer to take the LD (and vice-versa I would think, although I've never been faced with that situation). On 2-class flights in C class, if I have the choice, I'll usually take the UD one way and the LD on the way back.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 16):
The drawback.... Passengers who have difficulty climbing stairs have who want F class have no downstairs option.

AFAIK some carriers are intended to put J only on the UD of the A380, so it'll be the same issue.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):
Upper deck is the place to be and as stated above is very more intimate.

Many people (including myself) find the upper deck slightly noisier than the main deck due to aerodynamic noise over the top of the fuselage. I believe the 747 cockpit has a reputation as being noisier than many other widebodies for the same reason. I don't mind the upper deck but prefer the nose section on the main deck when that is also part of the business class cabin as it is on many carriers that have eliminated first class. It has a more spacious feel.

The other problem is that climbing the stairs if you have a couple of fairly heavy carry-on bags is a chore, especially if you have also just had the long walk up the stairs from the bus that has delivered you to the aircraft when parked at a remote stand away from the terminal. That's frequently the case for BA at LHR Terminal 4. It's a long climb from ground level to the upper deck with a couple of bags!
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:44 am

I always sit upstairs for long haul on SQ. I like upstairs because it is very rare that children are upstairs (I have 2 children under 4 so I am a hypocrite).

It is noisy though as you get a lot of wind noise.

SQ always hold back the people up the back whilst 1st and business leave the plane (and so they should!)
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting Kdm (Reply 20):
It is noisy though as you get a lot of wind noise.

Having just done SIN-SYD-SIN on SQ , i agree with you , although the headsets they give you filter out noise very well.
One thing i did notice though, was that the downstairs J seats felt like they had more space in between them.
I don't know if this is actually the case or i was just imagining.
I flew upstairs one sector (window) and the return was downstairs in the aisle.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:16 pm

Being on the upper deck seems more exclusive than being on the main deck separated by a curtain. Also, I think some things like a bar might be on the upper deck and make the entire atmosphere feel better, like it is a private jet.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:24 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
I was surprised how wide the UD was. I was expecting a 757, but it was more like a 767 in it's sense of spaciousness.

I agree that the UD somehow feels spacious, but the actual width at seat level is quite similar to that of a 757.

They are almost identical in width. Max width on the 757 is 139 inches. Distance between the bins on the upper deck is 136 inches.

A question about the bins though, are they strictly for storage? Or is there some duct work or some other form of conduit running thought them?
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 23):
A question about the bins though, are they strictly for storage? Or is there some duct work or some other form of conduit running thought them?

Most can be used for storage, although don't forget to remove stuff at the end of the flight.

I have only flown on the upper deck once, this was quite a few years ago and I thought it was an excellent flight. Although the toilets are quite crampt compared with the ones on the main deck though.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:43 am

it's difficult to compare the width of the upper deck on the 747 to the 757 or other aircraft because the shape and slope is different.. On the upper deck, the cabin walls do not curve inward toward the floor.. May be this gives the sense of added spaciousness even though the actual cabin width at seat level is the same.

I have to agree with ST50 that part of the fun of taking a 747 is the sheer size which you don't get on the Upper Deck.
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:07 am

I am a huge 747 Upperdeck fan. It is a perfect combination of comfort and service as far as I am concerned. Even on UA who sometimes has mediocre service in business class each time I have flown with them in the upper deck I ahve found the service to be exceptional. Also, the side storage bins are great as if I am in the window seat I don't need my seatmate to move to get to my carry on luggage. Another fun perk is being able to talk to the pilots before the flight. The last time on UA 941 FRA-ORD I was on the upper deck and I was up in the cockpit talking to them for about 25 minutes before the flight began. Also, the Captain came out of the cockpit to brief us personally before the flight. The upper deck is my favorite way to travel. In my experiences the flight attendants have blocked the Y class passengers to allow the upper deck off first.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 23):
A question about the bins though, are they strictly for storage? Or is there some duct work or some other form of conduit running thought them?

Although the u/d sidewall stow bins are for stowage, some may be blocked out and used for rapid decompression airflow routing between the u/d and the main cabin. This is not an FAA requirement, so it is primarily found on European registered 744.

There is ducting immediately outboard of the stow bins. There is conditioned air ducting and if the aircraft is so equiped, there can also be gasper ducting installed. Right above that will be the main oxygen feed for the u/d.

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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
Many Pax say the service is also better up there.



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
I have been on many flights where a crew member will block the Y cabin in order to let the upper deck exit first.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
The stairs lead down to door 2



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
The only drawback of the UD is that the windows are terribly slanted....the view is much better from the LD.....

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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Elite (Reply 22):
Also, I think some things like a bar might be on the upper deck and make the entire atmosphere feel better, like it is a private jet.

The bars and lounges in the upper deck disappeared about 25 years ago. Just seats and a galley at the rear now, and usually 2 lavatories at the front. The rare carriers that still offer some kind of bar/lounge (e.g. Virgin Atlantic) now put them on the main deck.
 
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:13 am

On UA is the upper deck First or biz?


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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting UAL4ever (Reply 26):
I am a huge 747 Upperdeck fan

Welcome to the club........  Wink

Carriers with J on both decks like BA and QF, always block upperdeck seats for their elite FF's. Same thing for the ones who have Y on the upper deck like AF. SO one would assume the pros outweigh the cons by far
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RE: F And J Class In Upper Deck Questions

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 30):
On UA is the upper deck First or biz?

Biz
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