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9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:16 pm

It's official as of today!

The Pinnacle 900s will fly for DL out of ATL.
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:19 pm

Please send them to GSO...I'm not looking forward to having only 2 mainline planes to ATL each day with the rest on CRJ-200s.
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Jeremy (Thread starter):
Please send them to GSO...I'm not looking forward to having only 2 mainline planes to ATL each day with the rest on CRJ-200s.

Actually, I was thinking that they might phase out the ATR-72s in ASA's fleet and replace those routes with CRJ-900 routes.

Like AVL.  Wink
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:32 pm

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
Actually, I was thinking that they might phase out the ATR-72s in ASA's fleet and replace those routes with CRJ-900 routes.

Like AVL.

Why phase out a plane that way burn way less fuel? If anything ASA should try and get more ATR's. Turboprops are the way to go, these barbie jets just burn too much fuel.

Back to props please!!!!
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
Actually, I was thinking that they might phase out the ATR-72s in ASA's fleet and replace those routes with CRJ-900 routes.

The ATRs will likely be replaced at some point, but in the PRs by Delta about the 9E CR9s it was stated that they will essentially be used to replace 50-seat CRJs that will leave the fleet. Besides, putting RJs on short hops like ATL-AVL is uneconomical beyond believe.
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
The ATRs will likely be replaced at some point, but in the PRs by Delta about the 9E CR9s it was stated that they will essentially be used to replace 50-seat CRJs that will leave the fleet. Besides, putting RJs on short hops like ATL-AVL is uneconomical beyond believe.

Not to mention that, unless I'm mistaken, the ATR's are all paid for. That must help the economics of them. Why retire an aircraft that is more efficient and has much lower operating costs.
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:13 pm

Well hopefully the 9E CR9's will go on routes that are efficient and money makers. I hope to see some in MLB.

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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 5):
Not to mention that, unless I'm mistaken, the ATR's are all paid for.

That's true, the 12 AT7s in DL's fleet are all owned. The 7 AT7s that were leased had their leases rejected during the Ch11 proceedings.

Personally, I'd love to see the Q400 join Delta's fleet, perfect plane for routes like ATL-CHA, CVG-DAY, SLC-SUN or even certain NYC routes, as it has great economics, a quiet cabin, and is the fastest prop on the market as well. Certainly beats the CRJs and ERJs.
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting Jeremy (Thread starter):
It's official as of today!

The Pinnacle 900s will fly for DL out of ATL.

Any chance they will be used for some of the longer CRJ runs out of ATL? In my home market I've never flown the FNT, LAN, or GRR to ATL Flights because I prefer not to be in an RJ for that long. The bigger CRJ's are much nicer. IMHO they should take the 2 hour 50 seat RJ flights and replace them with these.

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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:26 pm

What's the schedule like for delivery of these planes?
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting D328 (Reply 3):

Why phase out a plane that way burn way less fuel? If anything ASA should try and get more ATR's. Turboprops are the way to go, these barbie jets just burn too much fuel.

Back to props please!!!!



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
The ATRs will likely be replaced at some point, but in the PRs by Delta about the 9E CR9s it was stated that they will essentially be used to replace 50-seat CRJs that will leave the fleet. Besides, putting RJs on short hops like ATL-AVL is uneconomical beyond believe.

Yes, it is uneconomical, but the ATR flights have already been waaaayyy scaled back. We're now down to 2 ATRs per day from 4. CRJs replaced them (including a CR7).

Also, from the passenger perspective, and although I love them, ATRs are not comfortable aircraft. Every time I've flown on one, there are always passengers complaining about the noise, seats, etc... Not to mention that they're very old, which raises the average fleet size at ASA, which devalues the entire airline. I think they'll be phased out sooner than we'd like.  Sad
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:55 pm

If they need a new t-prop to replace the ATR's, the Q400 seems like a no-brainer.
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:08 am

Why not new ATR's? I personally am a big fan of turboprops from an economic standpoint. I personally prefer the Q400, but Bombardier has been having some problems with on-time delivery so I dont see too many orders popping up in the immediate future, but it is a great aircraft.

I rode ATL-MYR on an ATR a few years back, wasnt that bad. No louder than the Saab 340 or B1900 that I have probably 500 flights logged on.

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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
Why not new ATR's?

In short, the Q400 can fly further at a higher altitude and especially faster than the AT7 (350kt vs 284kt max, IIRC).
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):

Those planes fly 2 different missions. That would be a silly replacement.

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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Those planes fly 2 different missions. That would be a silly replacement.

Correct. It would be a silly, uneconomical replacement. But right now, there's not another turboprop with the same seat capacity to replace the ATRs. It seems like the only choice.
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:39 am

Maybe they'll contract out to another airline to fly Q400's for them?  Smile)

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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:27 am

So what does this mean in regards to OO's CRJ-900 ops @ ATL? Will 9E be supplementing or replacing OO @ ATL? If it's supplementing, that would mean DL would have the following Delta Connection carriers @ ATL:

ASA
Comair
SkyWest
Freedom
Shuttle America
Pinnacle

Quite a change from when it was just ASA operating out of ATL.

ASA will eventually need to replace their ATRs, and while brand new ones may be the best way to go from an operational standpoint, they may be able to get a better deal on some Dash 8s since they are already a Bombardier customer. Does anyone know why they went for the ATR-72 over the Dash 8 to begin with, as EV had operated Dash 7s prior to the ATRs entering the fleet.

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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
So what does this mean in regards to OO's CRJ-900 ops @ ATL? Will 9E be supplementing or replacing OO @ ATL?

SkyWest isn't going anywhere anytime soon. They opened the crew and maintenance base there only a month or two back, and it would cost a lot of money to close those bases after spending a lot of money to open them in the first place.
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
Does anyone know why they went for the ATR-72 over the Dash 8 to begin with, as EV had operated Dash 7s prior to the ATRs entering the fleet.

That's probably because the AT7 was available first. The AT7 started service with DL in 1995, and the Q400 didn't have EIS before 1997.
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:11 am

Delta would be wise to use these to replace alot of the CRJ-700s plying routes to the Caribbean, as the CRJ-700 is inadept for such routes (weight restrictions, leaving baggage at the airport, etc).

Hopefully they can be used to upgrade service to The Bahamas (FPO:replace 1 of the 2 daily CRJ-700s with CRJ-900s now that AirTran is gone; NAS: upgrade EQV flight to CRJ-900) Heck, I'd actually consider Delta on my next trip down there   .

These should be great for mid-cons and giving medium cities psuedo-mainline service though   

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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 20):
Delta would be wise to use these to replace alot of the CRJ-700s plying routes to the Caribbean, as the CRJ-700 is inadept for such routes (weight restrictions, leaving baggage at the airport, etc).

CRJ-900s and EMB-170s are perfect for many northern Caribbean routes from ATL such as NAS, POP etc... I think POP would have survived had DL had a CRJ-900 for the route.
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 20):
Delta would be wise to use these to replace alot of the CRJ-700s plying routes to the Caribbean, as the CRJ-700 is inadept for such routes (weight restrictions, leaving baggage at the airport, etc).

I thought the CR7 had more range than the CR9 naturally, as the CR7 is lighter but has the same wing (with equally sized fuel tanks)... not so?  Smile
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 22):

I thought the CR7 had more range than the CR9 naturally, as the CR7 is lighter but has the same wing (with equally sized fuel tanks)... not so?

They both have the same range, but the -900 can go much further with a higher payload than a -700 becuase of its higher weight limits.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 20):
Delta would be wise to use these to replace alot of the CRJ-700s plying routes to the Caribbean, as the CRJ-700 is inadept for such routes (weight restrictions, leaving baggage at the airport, etc).

If the runways aren't long enough, the -900 can only carry as much as the -700.
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:50 am

There is one reason, and only one reason that ASA has ATR's and not Dash's. Its the same reason ASA will replace the ATR's with new ATR's instead of Q400 if the decision is made to do so.

The reason is that the Dash's ramp footprint is too large and cannot be accomodated in ATL. ASA is already operating over max capacity out of its gates, and they cannot afford to reduce parking spaces to accomodate a larger airplane.
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 24):
The reason is that the Dash's ramp footprint is too large and cannot be accomodated in ATL. ASA is already operating over max capacity out of its gates, and they cannot afford to reduce parking spaces to accomodate a larger airplane.

That remains to be seen. If they were to operate Q400s, they could also replace 50-seat CRJs with them and reduce the number of flights, thus getting the ramp space necessary for the larger Dashs.

Besides, who says that ASA would be operating the Dashs?
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 25):
Besides, who says that ASA would be operating the Dashs?

ASA says they would be operating the Dash's, because it is ASA who has been shopping for them on their own accord. Both manufacturers have been in ATL with proposals for ASA.
 
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 26):
ASA says they would be operating the Dash's, because it is ASA who has been shopping for them on their own accord. Both manufacturers have been in ATL with proposals for ASA.

Jerry Akin has been looking at the Q400 for a long time and is a big fan of it. From what I hear is that DL & UA won't commit to a long term contract and thats why neither SKYWEST inc. carrier has ordered any.
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RE: 9E CRJ900s To Be Based In ATL

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting Skyrat (Reply 27):
Jerry Akin has been looking at the Q400 for a long time and is a big fan of it. From what I hear is that DL & UA won't commit to a long term contract and thats why neither SKYWEST inc. carrier has ordered any.

Its a pretty amazing airplane. If we got them, I would certainly bid it in a heartbeat. Sure would be a nice improvement over the ATR.

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