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Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:36 am

Here's Boeing's Weekly Update for August 22nd:

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Changes include:
4 x 777 UFO
6 x 747F for NCA (previously UFO)
4 x 737 for Alaska Air (previously UFO

777 break 1000 orders!!!

[Edited 2007-08-23 17:39:01]
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Order Update For 8/22/07

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
777 break 1000 orders!!!

Is no one talking about this! I remember that when the A350 was first launched, some of our Euro friends said the 777 would never reach 1000 orders!
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:45 am

Well done Boeing, the 777 is(was) a game changer.It has shown that you dont need 4 engines for long haul, you just need 2 beasts like the GE90. It is my favorite plane to fly on.
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:53 am

Congrats to Boeing and the 777 program!

But it's a shame that the 1000th ordered 777 is for UFO *grrr

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 3):
But it's a shame that the 1000th ordered 777 is for UFO *grrr

I'd say Boeing is waiting until the customer airline is ready to make this public; the PR impact wouldn't be so great if they announced it publicly now; "whoopee, our 1000th 777 order ... but we can't tell you who it is"!

Speculation? ILFC, Emirates, Delta (my personal vote), KLM, BA, anyone else?
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Or

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:00 am

Wow we all knew it was coming and I'm glad to see it finally came. Congrats to the 777 the airline who ordered them and Boeing of course for building one of the best long haul aircraft ever built. Here's to 1000 more!!! (Although I bet at max it would be more like 1500 total but oh well go 777!!!)

Now when (not if) the 787 hits 1000 airplanes you'll have all of Boeing's programs hit 1000 aircraft. Pretty impressive really.
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:07 am

It's good to see rows of 777s at PAE again, as she too is my favorite airplane family.

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting Iceberg210 (Reply 5):
Now when (not if) the 787 hits 1000 airplanes you'll have all of Boeing's programs hit 1000 aircraft. Pretty impressive really.

We first have to wait and see if 1000 787s will be ordered and built  duck 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:18 am

Has anyone noticed that the 787 order tally has been stuck in the 680's range for a while now.....

Come on.. 736 is the record for firm orders prior to EIS....surely that will be broken before first flight maybe...

With LAN (26?) + SU (22) + QF (20) firm orders eminent....
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Or

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
We first have to wait and see if 1000 787s will be ordered and built.  duck 

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:20 am

Interestingly its also the 100th net 777 order this year. What a nice achievement, no doubt the next blog will be about it.

Now who could these be for? Possibly Delta?
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
We first have to wait and see if 1000 787s will be ordered and built

Well true however with an aircraft that has almost 700 orders (684 through July) before first flight I think it is probably a pretty safe bet. I'd be more sure about it than any other aircraft before first flight.
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:36 am

I am surprised by this avalanche of orders , as long as B773ERs.

This aircraft is some more costly and by far w/higher CASM as the A3510 or a eventual A7810X.,
And much more so as a A359 !

Therefore, assuming that the A350-9or10 and/or the B7810X will be available about 2014-15, meaning 4 or 5 year later as the delivery of a B773ER, would it not be more economical for airlines to choose between:

- continue to fly B744 until A350-9-10/B7810X become available
- lease B744 (if they have not such or not enough) or B777 ??

Could it not be that airlines are very skeptic that the A3510 will be available by 2015 or even a few years later, and additional assume (with which I agree) that if Boeing sees that the A3510 will have such delays, they will not make available a competitive B7810X before (or only slightly before). Obviously, in case of such delay, the interest of Boeing is to continue to see the B773ER or a slightly improved one) as long as possible

There are a certain similitude with the A330 orders when issued instead a B787. But the differences
are that the the A330 is not more expensive and further, the problem here is not skepticism, but the impossibility to obtain slots for the B787.
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:39 am

Congrats to Boeing on the 1000th 777 ordered. A remarkable achievement considering it's the rough equivelent to 1000 747-100 orders.
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Could it not be that airlines are very skeptic that the A3510 will be available by 2015 or even a few years later, and additional assume (with which I agree) that if Boeing sees that the A3510 will have such delays, they will not make available a competitive B7810X before (or only slightly before). Obviously, in case of such delay, the interest of Boeing is to continue to see the B773ER or a slightly improved one) as long as possible

I agree, there is a great deal of skepticism surrounding the A350. How couldn't there be? Airbus is only haftway through a major company restructuring if that. There is no way any prediction to execute a complex project like the A350 has any dependable meaning until the company itself defines how it will operate. Add to that they are pushing technology they didn't want to pursue as early as last year and you mulitiply the uncertainty. It's going to help a defined product like the 777, and the sooner Boeing can build more of them, the better the product looks from an economical point of view.

BTW, I suggest a separate thread for 1000 777 orders....
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:55 am

Congrats to the 777! champagne   champagne  I'm glad to see some more liveries on the 77L

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 8):
Has anyone noticed that the 787 order tally has been stuck in the 680's range for a while now.....

Actually I thought the 787 has already surpassed the 700 mark..?? I could be wrong though.

Quoting TKV (Reply 12):
There are a certain similitude with the A330 orders when issued instead a B787. But the differences
are that the the A330 is not more expensive and further, the problem here is not skepticism, but the impossibility to obtain slots for the B787.

This is a goodpoint. Maybe airlines realize they can't get their hands on a 3510 for at least 8 or more years. And I'm not sure an airline would want to lease a 744 now, with as competitive as the airline industry is, the 77W is far cheaper to operate. Even though the 350XWB is being launched, the 77W is by far the most economical and efficient aircraft in its size category and will continue to be for some years to come.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:00 am

Congrats to Boeing and the 777.

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:04 am

Congratulations to Boeing on a wonderful achievement.  Smile This is 7th Boeing model that has surpassed the 1000 + sales barrier.

707 - 1,010
727 - 1,832
737 - 7,000 +
747 - 1500 +
757 - 1,050
767 - 1000 +
777 - 1000 +


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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 15):
And I'm not sure an airline would want to lease a 744 now, with as competitive as the airline industry is, the 77W is far cheaper to operate

I am not sure if my point came through, being:

No.1: Assuming that a A3510 (or B7810X) will be available 2015 and a B773ER 2010-11, it would be preferable to operate a B74 during the time 2010-2015, even with a higher CASM, rather than an expensive B773ER to buy a A3510 or B7810X now. Why / Because The B773ER would have,, after 4 or 5 years, to compete with the composite aircrafts with a much better CASM. But this is only so if you believe that A3510 or B7810X will be available by 2015 !!

No.2: But if an airline doubt to be able to get a A3510 or B7810X before 2017, or later, or at all, then to buy a B773ER now is the right think to do !!


3) And as the airlines are buying large numbers of B773ER continuosly, it seems that they are very skeptical regarding the A3510 or equivalent !!
(Of course, if an airline plans to convert later the B773ER into Freighters, the situation would be different!)

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Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 75):
Current 777 Firm order count stands at 999.

Orders through August 21, 2007

Four Unidentified 777s booked this week. Identified 10 previously unidentified orders: Four Alaska Airlines 737s and six Nippon Cargo Airlines 747s.


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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Or

Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:59 am

Boeing also just announced that four UFO 737s from 2006 are for Atlant-Soyuz.....

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q3/070823a_nr.html

Quote:
"MOSCOW, Russia, Aug. 23, 2007 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Atlant-Soyuz announced today at the 2007 Moscow Air Show that the Moscow-based carrier is the customer for four Next Generation 737-700s. The order, worth $249 million at 2007 list prices, was listed as unidentified on Boeing's Orders & Deliveries Web site in 2006 and is accounted for in 2006 order totals."


Are the two highlighted UFO 747s freighters? For whom might those be?
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Iceberg210 (Reply 5):
one of the best long haul aircraft ever built.

....the best long-haul aircraft ever built... Wink  biggrin  bigthumbsup ..


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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
Quoting Iceberg210 (Reply 5):
one of the best long haul aircraft ever built.

....the best long-haul aircraft ever built... Wink biggrin bigthumbsup ..


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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 22):
Yeah but not the best looking Well at least in my eyes.

I'm with WINGS on this one.

The A340 is a real looker (though a 707 still beats it by a bit); I would have loved to see one in classic mid 1960s Pan Am livery.

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Or

Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 12):
This aircraft is some more costly and by far w/higher CASM as the A3510 or a eventual A7810X.,
And much more so as a A359 !

But it's available much sooner and it's more efficient than the aircraft it's replacing, so it does make sense...for now, not for forever.

It would be sweet if it was Delta that pushed the 777 over 1000.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:47 am

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Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 12):
I am surprised by this avalanche of orders , as long as B773ERs. This aircraft is some more costly and by far w/higher CASM as the A3510 or a eventual A7810X. And much more so as a A359 !

And yet the same logic applies to the A330 vs. the 787, and the A330 has just had one of her best sales years ever.

If you need a plane now, the A330 and 777 are the best available in their respective niches.

If you can wait a decade, then the 787 and A350/Y3 are better options.
 
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:07 am

Congratulations to Boeing and the Mighty Triple Seven!!! Now for betting who's order it is - my money is on BA. They had 4 firm plus 4 options from their last 777 order, I think they are firming up those options to have extra metal available once their planned EU-US transatlantic expansion goes into effect.
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:15 am

Well, I can only claim to have flown 1 per cent of the total global fleet then! Sad
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting B7X7 (Reply 2):
Well done Boeing, the 777 is(was) a game changer.It has shown that you dont need 4 engines for long haul, you just need 2 beasts like the GE90. It is my favorite plane to fly on.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
It's good to see rows of 777s at PAE again, as she too is my favorite airplane family.

777 has, in not much more than a decade, moved 1,000 frames.... something unprecedented for any widebody. In my opinion the 777 is the finest thing gracing the skies... she's a beautiful aircraft with great lines that looks fast even sitting still and exudes power. An empty 777 will out accelerate a corvette off the line, and fully loaded they seem to have no trouble going from stopped to gear doors closed in 30 odd seconds. They fly longer, carry more, on less fuel, in more comfort. The 1,000 number is something 777 well earned and is testament to the great work done by the gifted and dedicated people at Boeing.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 7):
We first have to wait and see if 1000 787s will be ordered and built duck

It's just a matter of time, and the way things are going, not a very long time either. Heck, 787 might be the first widebody to surpass 2,000 frames.
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 29):
Heck, 787 might be the first widebody to surpass 2,000 frames.

It WILL be the first widebody to surpass 2000 frames!!!  Wink
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 24):
But it's available much sooner and it's more efficient than the aircraft it's replacing, so it does make sense...for now, not for forever.

[quote=Stitch,reply=26]And yet the same logic applies to the A330 vs. the 787, and the A330 has just had one of her best sales years ever.
If you need a plane now, the A330 and 777 are the best available in their respective niches.
If you can wait a decade, then the 787 and A350/Y3 are better options

Agreed. But if the wait is 10 years or not, this is the question:

- if you believe that the new generation large models A350/B787 will not be available until 2017 or later,
it makes sense to order the even expensive 773ER now !! And as many airlines ordering it, it means that they believe so and think it too risky to assume they will be able to get these A3510/B7810X earlier

But, I repeat,if they think really to be able to get A3510/B7810X by 2015, only 4-5 years after they would be able to get a B773ER, they would be better off ordering the former and cover these 4-5 years with B774 or B346 already owned or leased

- as for the A330 versus B787, the situation has, as I stated, some similarities but the wait for the B787
would be certainly much shorter (referred to 2017 or later!)

- The case of the A330 is, as I stated, partially similar, even if the wait for a B788 or -9 will be less risky and not more than 5-6 years.. Possibly less assuming that as it seems Boeing will increase the production

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Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 31):
But, I repeat,if they think really to be able to get A3510/B7810X by 2015, only 4-5 years after they would be able to get a B773ER, they would be better off ordering the former and cover these 4-5 years with B774 or B346 already owned or leased

Boeing have made a 777-400 ? wow , they kept that pretty quiet , how many of the first 1000 are -400s  wink 
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
anyone else?

An unlikely long shot; but NZ firmed up their three options.
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 8):

well LionAir just put an order in for 60 B739s

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 32):
Boeing have made a 777-400 ?

For the case you have not realized it, its a typo. Its B744, as already written in the previous reply !

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 12):
am surprised by this avalanche of orders , as long as B773ERs.

This aircraft is some more costly and by far w/higher CASM as the A3510 or a eventual A7810X.,
And much more so as a A359 !

Keep in mind that introducing a new aircraft into a fleet can be very costly (i.e., crew and maintenance training and certification, other one time startup costs, parts inventory, "teething pains," etc.) even though it may have a lower CASM; these costs aren't recovered right a way. Rather, it's really the total cost of ownership that counts given the missions of the aircraft. By keeping the aircraft the same including derivatives (or limiting the fleet to certain types), the cost of ownership can be kept down. Case in point, LH and its recent order for the A340 (versus a 773ER order).

Also, Boeing will begin looking at a 777 derivative next year (per AW&ST article) to extend its competitive advantage over the A359 and 10. Thus, current 777 operators will find it less costly to introduce this derivative into their fleets than the A350 (just as A330/40 operators will most likely find it less costly to introduce the A350 than a Boeing).
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting Iceberg210 (Reply 5):
you'll have all of Boeing's programs hit 1000 aircraft.



Quoting WINGS (Reply 17):
707 - 1,010
727 - 1,832
737 - 7,000 +
747 - 1500 +
757 - 1,050
767 - 1000 +
777 - 1000 +

Uh... 717 anyone?  duck   stirthepot 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting UA76Heavy (Reply 36):
Keep in mind that introducing a new aircraft into a fleet can be very costly (i.e., crew and maintenance training and certification, other one time startup costs, parts inventory, "teething pains," etc.) even though it may have a lower CASM; these costs aren't recovered right a way. Rather, it's really the total cost of ownership that counts given the missions of the aircraft. By keeping the aircraft the same including derivatives (or limiting the fleet to certain types), the cost of ownership can be kept down. Case in point, LH and its recent order for the A340 (versus a 773ER order).

Also, Boeing will begin looking at a 777 derivative next year (per AW&ST article) to extend its competitive advantage over the A359 and 10. Thus, current 777 operators will find it less costly to introduce this derivative into their fleets than the A350 (just as A330/40 operators will most likely find it less costly to introduce the A350 than a Boeing).

I only said that if an airline believes to be able to get a A3810 (2015) only 5 years after a B773ER (2010-11), it would be more economical to order A3510 and continue flying B744 or A346 until then.
Keep in mind that during 20 years + of aircraft life the CASM advantage A3510 versus B773ER (even if
improved) is fundamental, even considering uniformity of fleet!

But I am not advocating to do that, as I IMHO do not believe that a A3510 or equivalent will be available by 2015, but much later, and therefore I agree with the airlines which need aircrafts soon to order the B773ER!!
And it seems that many airlines think likewise !

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 12):
- continue to fly B744 until A350-9-10/B7810X become available
- lease B744 (if they have not such or not enough) or B777 ??

Airlines don't have unlimited timeframes. If they need efficient capacity in 2012, they can't wait until 2015.

Using used 744s makes little sense as they are costly to operate, and as they age will be maintenance hogs (just as QF about their aging 743s).

Where are the available 77Ws for lease until 2015? You can't just lease a plane that has no availability on the lease market. Now, airlines could contract with ILFC etc. to buy 77Ws and lease them from them, but why is that a better option than using a new 77W for 8-10 years then selling it second hand?

Further, how many A350-1000s are going to be availible in 2015? 2016? 2017? Enough to satisfy 7 years of pent up demand? No, you'd get the same situation you have with the 787, airlines having to wait until 5 years after EIS to get their first bird. So for some carriers, it's still a choice of a 77W in 2010 or an A350-1000 in 2018. 8 years is a LONG TIME to be burning through cash on failing 747s...
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:34 am

i think Wilco is not a B777 lover, lol he will have something to say about this no doubt.

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Or

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting CV990A (Reply 37):
Uh... 717 anyone?  duck   stirthepot 

She doesn't count, since she did not originate at Boeing. Big grin

However, add in all the DC-9 and MD-8x sales, and the family might very well have indeed broken 1000...  thumbsup 
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 39):
Airlines don't have unlimited timeframes. If they need efficient capacity in 2012, they can't wait until 2015.

Ikramerica: We are saying both the same !! I repeat: I agree to order B773ER is the right thing to do, obviously only if you need them.

My only remark were you seem not to agree is:
If HYPOTHETICALLY an airline believes that the could receive a satisfactory A3510 only 4-5 years after a B773ER, and assuming the life expectancy of such aircraft 25 years, to fly these 4-5 years with CASM higher B744 or A346 (referred to a B773ER) would be more than compensated by the subsequent 20 years of lower CASM of the A3510 (referred to the B773ER), even considering the present value capitalization.

Again, IMO such case is hypothetical !!

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:24 am

Hmmm, BA has 4 options for 777 from thier "transition" order.

Any bets on they were saving it to nail the PR of the 1000th frame? Likely good for Boeing too if it is BA, since that is one of the airlines that WOULD spend thier own money to hype it. Maybe not as much as VA, but since they wouldn't be ordering 777 at this point in time.
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 43):
Hmmm, BA has 4 options for 777 from thier "transition" order.

As soon as Boeing updates their "unfilled orders" sheets, we will see it these 4 are a sole order for
B772ER, in which case it should be BA. If B772LR or B773ER, it is less probable!

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Or

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 41):
However, add in all the DC-9 and MD-8x sales, and the family might very well have indeed broken 1000...

Only MD-8x + MD-9x series had well over 1300 orders. Count in almost a thousand DC-9s and 156 B717s and you come up to a total of almost 1500.

So yes, every Boeing model and/or its variant had over 1000 orders.
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 42):
If HYPOTHETICALLY an airline believes that the could receive a satisfactory A3510 only 4-5 years after a B773ER, and assuming the life expectancy of such aircraft 25 years, to fly these 4-5 years with CASM higher B744 or A346 (referred to a B773ER) would be more than compensated by the subsequent 20 years of lower CASM of the A3510 (referred to the B773ER), even considering the present value capitalization.

Maybe. Maybe not. JL just took delivery of a 777-200A, even though the 787-3 would work about as well, will be in their hands within a year or so, and will cost a great deal less to operate. Yet they feel they can use the 772A for a long time, so they bought it anyway.

Not all airlines need the "latest and greatest", even if - heck, especially if - they hold on to their planes for dozens or even scores of years. The newer family of planes will be cheaper to operate over time, but as UA76heavy noted, the "up-front" costs can be very, very high. An airline might find better uses for that money in the near-term that influence them to continue to add additional "old-tech" planes to their existing fleets even if they could get reasonable timeframe access to "new tech" ones.
 
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting TKV (Reply 44):
As soon as Boeing updates their "unfilled orders" sheets, we will see it these 4 are a sole order for
B772ER, in which case it should be BA. If B772LR or B773ER, it is less probable!

If it's BA firming up those options, in my opinion it would show that 777s aren't on the cards for BA's longhaul fleet decision.
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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 47):
If it's BA firming up those options, in my opinion it would show that 777s aren't on the cards for BA's longhaul fleet decision.

You may be right !! But as any coin has two sides, it could mean that BA intends to order a lot of them but as they need some more units urgently, which I assume have allocated slots as options, they want to take advantage of this. And as it happened with the former 4 units, which were UFOs for several months, they do here the same because they not wish signal to Airbus what they are doing,
On the other side, by placing such order they could take a little more time to decide the main order.

By the way, I must contradict partially what i said before. Even if the 4 frames are 200ERs this would mean near certain BA, but if the want later order 777 instead (totally or partially) A380 and B748i, it would be the B773ER. And they would need some B772LR too !!

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RE: Boeing's Weekly Orders For 8/22/07-1000 777 Orders

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:11 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 47):
If it's BA firming up those options, in my opinion it would show that 777s aren't on the cards for BA's longhaul fleet decision.

I'd be surprised if she was, regardless of whether or not they decide to take any more 777s beyond the four they recently ordered.

They have the time to wait for both the 787 and the A350.

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