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AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:31 am

American Airlines will significantly expand service to Providenciales on 13 December 2007. Miami-Providenciales is actually one of the ten highest yielding routes in AA's network, so the additions are not a huge shock. They currently offer daily service to JFK and two daily flights to Miami. They will add new service to Dallas and Boston, operating Saturdays and Sundays seasonally, and a third daily flight to Miami.

New BOS/DFW service:

AA 2219 DFW 1025-1505 PLS SaSu 738
AA 2120 PLS 1610-1930 DFW SaSu 738

New Boston-Providenciales:

AA 1501 BOS 1105-1430 PLS SaSu 752
AA 1524 PLS 1540-1915 BOS SaSu 752
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:56 am

I'm curious to see how DFW will do seeing as PLS (like a lot of Caribbean islands and some Eastern Mexican destinations) is not as well known off of the East Coast, nevermind west of the Mississippi.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
I'm curious to see how DFW will do seeing as PLS (like a lot of Caribbean islands and some Eastern Mexican destinations) is not as well known off of the East Coast, nevermind west of the Mississippi.

The good thing is that you don't need to fill planes to make money to PLS. A 50% load could still be very profitable. We'll see how this works. Dallas-Montego Bay has been a poor performer since it launched. They are definitely going to yield here, rather than loads.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
They will add new service to Dallas and Boston

BOS-PLS is not actually "new" service; they offered it seasonally several years ago. I flew on it myself once. At the time, though, I belive it was Saturday-only.
 
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Dallas-Montego Bay has been a poor performer since it launched. They are definitely going to yield here, rather than loads.

How so? They started at 3x weekly and now they are at 5x weekly.  confused 

That being said, im curious to see how DFW-PLS preforms. DFW is exactly AA's favorite hub for the Carribiean.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
How so? They started at 3x weekly and now they are at 5x weekly.

It started at 5x weekly, IIRC. Yields are terrible, but it fills when its supposed to.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
BOS-PLS is not actually "new" service; they offered it seasonally several years ago. I flew on it myself once. At the time, though, I belive it was Saturday-only.

x2, It even had the same flight numbers, in fact, I saw the route operating last winter.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
That being said, im curious to see how DFW-PLS preforms. DFW is exactly AA's favorite hub for the Carribiean

I don't see it hanging on too long (unless they get a contract), PLS is typically high-end and is a East Coast destination, not DFW. Besides, if AA has enough trouble with larger resorts/holiday destinations, what makes them think they could do well on Dallas-Provo? Nearby NAS gets DFW service and the loads are only stellar, with the flight operating with the CRJ-700 for most of the time.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):

It started at 5x weekly, IIRC. Yields are terrible, but it fills when its supposed to.

Typical of DFW Holiday routes, for example the San Jose and Liberia flights...
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:18 am

How is the parking space situation at the PLS ramp at this time of day (15:05 - 15:40)? When I was there earlier this year there was one point in the afternoon (around 1:30 p.m.) when pretty much every parking stand was occupied. There were 2 US Airways planes, an American jets, and one Delta 757 parked on the ramp in addition to the island hoppers from SkyKing, AirTC and Global. Presumably these two flights (mid afternoon) will arrive after the current rush time.

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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:30 am

Wow, AA actually ADDING mainline BOS service. Good for AA and BOS.
 
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
It started at 5x weekly, IIRC. Yields are terrible, but it fills when its supposed to.

Were both wrong. DFW-MBJ started at 4 weekly and DFW-LIR 2 weekly.

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pr...d=4QBXV42CFB4E5EAJJNFSKHMQBFFSWVMD

Now both destinations fluxuate. In hurricane season, DFW-MBJ goes weekly, but goes up to 5x weekly when Hurricane season passes (which doesnt sound like a flight thats hurting that badly). As for DFW-LIR, it goes 2x weekly in the fall and goes back to 3x weekly in the Winter.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
I don't see it hanging on too long (unless they get a contract), PLS is typically high-end and is a East Coast destination, not DFW

The problem remains that most people on the West Coast want nothing to do with the Carribiean when we have Hawaii and the Mexican Riviera closer and easier to access. DFW would in theory work great for East-West travel, but there isnt much traffic from the West to the Carribiean. The same problem remains with East-Coast-Hawaii flights.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:43 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
I'm curious to see how DFW will do seeing as PLS (like a lot of Caribbean islands and some Eastern Mexican destinations) is not as well known off of the East Coast, nevermind west of the Mississippi.

That depends on the kind of traveler. In my last trip to PLS my seat mate was from Calgary, Canada. Like a large chunk of PLS travelers, he was there for diving. That is one type. Another popular type at PLS over December/January is the Northeast Jewish single professional. Maybe those Jewish single professionals from California will discover the network potential of a trip to Turks.  Wink

Turks has been hard to get to from the West Coast and required overnights at Miami for some travelers. Maybe the Dallas connection will make it more popular.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:39 pm

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 10):
Turks has been hard to get to from the West Coast and required overnights at Miami for some travelers. Maybe the Dallas connection will make it more popular

The 1025 DFW departure time is too early to pick up any West Coast connections.


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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting DBCooper (Reply 11):

The 1025 DFW departure time is too early to pick up any West Coast connections.

Save for redeyes, of course. Then again, that's an uncomfortably long layover in DFW for someone who's just redeyed in.

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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
A 50% load could still be very profitable.

When the flights are so few that is true but when you add more flights to the network across different hubs that can change.
 
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:59 pm

Good for PLS!!

Question: Where do planes come from for these routes that only fly once or twice a week? It would have to be from a route that is only Monday through Friday, but I can't think of any offhand...
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
DFW is exactly AA's favorite hub for the Carribiean.

Say what? Are you forgetting a certain city in south Florida? As others point out it, there isn't a huge demand for west coast to Caribbean service, so this comment puzzles me, unless it's a joke?
 
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 15):
Say what? Are you forgetting a certain city in south Florida? As others point out it, there isn't a huge demand for west coast to Caribbean service, so this comment puzzles me, unless it's a joke?

Not to mention that other hub in Puerto Rico...yeah, DFW is one gateway to the Caribbean but hardly AA's primary one (or "favorite").
 
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 14):
Question: Where do planes come from for these routes that only fly once or twice a week? It would have to be from a route that is only Monday through Friday, but I can't think of any offhand...

There are quite a few small reductions in high-frequency routes on weekends. This rotation for example only operates Mondays through Fridays -:
AA712 DFW 1025 LGA 1440 738 MTWTF
AA753 LGA 1515 DFW 1815 738 MTWTF
The DFW arrival/departure times are very similar to the proposed PLS service. On Saturdays and Sundays, the plane could simply fly out to PLS instead of LGA. It is a good way to increase aircraft utilisation and prevent it from simply sitting at DFW for 7 or 8 hours.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 15):
Say what? Are you forgetting a certain city in south Florida? As others point out it, there isn't a huge demand for west coast to Caribbean service, so this comment puzzles me, unless it's a joke?

Sorry, typing error. I meant to say DFW isnt exactly AA's favorite hub for the Carribiean. And I was the one who pointed out that the West Coast demand to the Carribiean was very low. So, it would stand to reason that DFW isnt a great hub for the Carribiean.

Sorry, just a typo.

One thing I will say about DFW is that its AA's "Jack of all trades" as far as service. I would even argue that its the most important hub for AA, but a great Carribiean hub it isnt.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
One thing I will say about DFW is that its AA's "Jack of all trades" as far as service. I would even argue that its the most important hub for AA, but a great Carribiean hub it isnt.

OK, somehow I had a feeling that might have either been a typo or those mushrooms from the 60's had come back to haunt me again. I agree, having lived in Dallas for 2 decades and seeing AA grow there, it's by far the most important on the system.

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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
As for DFW-LIR, it goes 2x weekly in the fall and goes back to 3x weekly in the Winter.



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Now both destinations fluxuate. In hurricane season, DFW-MBJ goes weekly, but goes up to 5x weekly when Hurricane season passes (which doesnt sound like a flight thats hurting that badly

Most US carriers take the mid September to mid November period to take capacity offline and do scheduled maintenance checks, it certainly isn't an accurate reflection of the flight's performance.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
Sorry, just a typo.

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Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
Typical of DFW Holiday routes, for example the San Jose and Liberia flights...

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I'd venture to say that the low yields and marginal profitability that Dallas-Lat Am routes generally turn out to be is worth it for the airline - it keeps lower yielding connections away from New York and Miami.
 
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 20):
Most US carriers take the mid September to mid November period to take capacity offline and do scheduled maintenance checks, it certainly isn't an accurate reflection of the flight's performance.

I couldnt agree more! Most international flights on AA must prefom very well from DFW. I say that because AA is not the type of carrier that will let a route continue if it isnt meeting expectations. DFW-KIX, ORD-NGO, MIA-MAN, etc. are good examples. The flights might not have been complete failures, but they didnt have the potential AA thought and they were cut. I would think an airline like DL would be more likely to let a failing route continue than would AA.

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 19):
OK, somehow I had a feeling that might have either been a typo or those mushrooms from the 60's had come back to haunt me again. I agree, having lived in Dallas for 2 decades and seeing AA grow there, it's by far the most important on the system.

It was a long day! Theres no doubt that DFW is the biggest piece of the AA puzzle.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
I would think an airline like DL would be more likely to let a failing route continue than would AA.

...based on?
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 22):
...based on?

Past history. DL has had routes that have been in trouble (certain ATL-Meixco routes like MID come to mind), that they waited for a while to pull the plug. AA has been a lot quicker to pull the plug on routes like DFW-KIX without giving it much of a chance. Personally I like DL's way better because certain routes need time to work, if a route doesnt shoe immediate promise AA cuts it. DL is also quick to introduce new routes while AA is more conservative.
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RE: AA To Start DFW-PLS; BOS-PLS; More MIA-PLS

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:01 am

I feel this route will be exceptionally successful ... PLS Is essentially a 'new' island destination for those in Texas/Louisiana and the midwest ... the new service will heighten awareness of the island. There are numerous hotel / condo developments coming into being.

Residents of N. Texas are always in quest of something NEW - the latest 'new' thing. PLS offers that.

I suspect you might see an increase in nonstop frequency in a year or so.

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