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AA 762 Upgrades

Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:17 pm

Hey folks.

Been reading on the AA website that they are updating a lot of their fleet and that includes the 762.
They say that the economy cabin is getting a new look with lighter carpets and interior. It also says that first and buisness cabins are getting updated seats and another seat is being added to first cabin.

My question is, are the updated seats just the same re-clothed or are they going to be different seats (like in first will it be the old seats from the 777 rather than the flagship first seat in the 777s are now all getting. Same about the biz class- new seat or just re-clothed old seat).
With them also adding another seat in first (i guess to the single seat in the middle at the moment) will that not make the cabin a bit cramped??

Any comments would be great thanks.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:44 pm

Lots o' questions... here are some answers.

First Class: True lie-flat seats are being added to this cabin. They are actually the first class seats that used to be on the 763s, back when they were a three-class product. Those seats were very new when they were removed from the aircraft and very lightly used. They are perfect for the transcon market and actually quite nice. They are the 767 version of the "coffin seat" found on the T7s without the Flagship Suites. (See the 777 pic below for an idea.)

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My understanding is the closet/galley complex forward of seat 3D is being removed, making way for another seat, 2D.

Business Class: Since business class features AA's "new look interior" with dark blue seat covers, I'd have to guess this cabin is getting new seats as well. I haven't heard for sure, but I think that is the plan.

All cabins: New overhead bins (777 style), new sidewalls, refurbished lavs and new digital audio/video entertainment system (Panasonic eFX) with LCDs. There won't be PTVs, however. First Class already features the new Archos PED, replacing the DVD player. The seats in coach will remain the same, which is fine because they are atcually quite comfy, IMO.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:25 am

Yes I read too that they are updating the B767-200's ( I think 15 or 16 left) to new style interiors. I would be curious to get on one to see what they are like. They are all based at JFK, the only three destinations I see are LAX, SFO and BDA, not sure about MIA. I flew on one about a year ago from JFK to LAX. I was in Business Class, it had the blue seats but still had the old style interiors.
I flew recently on a B767-300ER from BRU to JFK, I was upgraded to Business Class (2-Class service) and I had the new seats. The new seats are very comfortable, they recline almost as flat as a bed.
What is interesting is this: the walls and overhead bins have been updated to 777-Style interiors only in the Business Class Cabin, and the interior design remained in old style (dating from the 80's) in the Economy Class Cabin. It means that maybe all B763's will have the new style interiors at least in the Business Class Cabin, with only 9 aircraft being fitted with the new style interiors all the way.

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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:00 am

Anyone knows how AA 757's new seats will look like???
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:26 am

I'm surprised AA is sinking $ into their 762's . They are not newer models like CO's. UA and DL retired theirs years ago.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 4):
I'm surprised AA is sinking $ into their 762s . They are not newer models like CO's. UA and DL retired theirs years ago.

AA 762s are not 767-200s they are 767-200ERs but they are older 762ERs
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
AA 762s are not 767-200s they are 767-200ERs but they are older 762ERs

Are they keeping all in their fleet or retiring some?
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:33 am

Thought that the B762s have been and will be for a while doing the East Coast - West Coast Flagship runs, so they'll be in the fleet for a while.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 6):
Are they keeping all in their fleet or retiring some?

i don't really know i would guess they are keeping them for a while(it is a good plane to do JFK-LAX,SFO) but i don't know to much about AA. Delta is my airline.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 1):
My understanding is the closet/galley complex forward of seat 3D is being removed, making way for another seat, 2D.

Business Class: Since business class features AA's "new look interior" with dark blue seat covers, I'd have to guess this cabin is getting new seats as well. I haven't heard for sure, but I think that is the plan.

All cabins: New overhead bins (777 style), new sidewalls, refurbished lavs and new digital audio/video entertainment system (Panasonic eFX) with LCDs. There won't be PTVs, however. First Class already features the new Archos PED, replacing the DVD player. The seats in coach will remain the same, which is fine because they are atcually quite comfy, IMO.

Great thanks for the info. I was just asking as I am going on one from MIA-JFK on the 2nd of September and was hopng for an upgrade to First (even tho im sitting in the biz class section thats sold as Y for FF- im greedy and want to use my upgrades!!) just wondering what the situation was on these aircraft.

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 7):
Thought that the B762s have been and will be for a while doing the East Coast - West Coast Flagship runs, so they'll be in the fleet for a while.

Well they are planning on adding winglets to them (or is that just for the 763s?) so i would guess that they will be around for at least another ten years. I think the 762s are great aircraft and a pity that most airlines have retired most of them!!
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 6):
Are they keeping all in their fleet or retiring some?

They will be keeping the remaining 15 Boeing 767-200ER for quite some time. There are currently no plans to replace them in the short term.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:44 am

American had 22 762ERs.....21 now since N334AA was destroyed on September 11th. I believe the 4 oldest -ERs have been retired, leaving 17 still active. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. The last 762ER, N339AA, was delivered in 1988, making it 19 years old this year. Probably has 3 more good years of service left.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 4):
I'm surprised AA is sinking $ into their 762's .

I had hoped they would take these aircraft and fly them as two-class aircraft to secondary markets within Europe. Remember when AA had talked about starting these routes with 757s a couple of years ago? Part of that plan was to refit the 757s with new galleys and even possibly aux fuel tanks to increase range. Not cheap. I thought it would be better use of money to refit those 15-20 757s with a three-class product for transcon markets like UA did with PS. The 762s would have been great for Europe.

However, AA has heard loud and clear pax to LAX and SFO much, much prefer a wide body and therefore decided to overhaul their product (to better compete with PS) on the 762 and keep it in those markets. There are only 15 762s in service. As far as their age, well, they do have an average age of 20 years, however, they have a relatively low number of cycles and with this cabin upgrade will remain in tip top shape for years to come.

[Edited 2007-08-26 21:04:18]
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 9):
they are planning on adding winglets to them

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/ringo3727/738winglet-4.jpg

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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:17 am

One was written off at LAX in the summer of 2006. I believe it was N330AA. It was written off because it suffered an engine explosion and was damaged beyong economical repair.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 11):
Probably has 3 more good years of service left.

So it means that by 2011 all B762's at AA will be gone. Right? Serving no less than 22 years with the airline. By then we will see only B763ER's on FlAAgship transcon flights, and addtional B777's will be assigned on international routes when a few more of those are delivered. We don't know when American will order 787's, even if they order those now they won't be delivered in 2011.

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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 11):
17 still active

AA ordered a total of 30 762s, of which 17 were the ER variety. Ship 334 (ER) was written off after an engine failure during MX at LAX in June 2006. Ship 334 (ER) was lost on Sept. 11, 2001. The remaining 15 762ERs remain in service. All 12 762 non ER aircraft have been retired.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 9):
Well they are planning on adding winglets to them (or is that just for the 763s?)

Just the 763s.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 11):
Probably has 3 more good years of service left.

Last I knew they will be in the fleet for at least another eight years.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:46 am

FXramper.... cheers for those photos!!

However it looks like the wing of a 757 to me.....
Am i just looking at it wrong??
They do however look huge!!
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:58 am

This is a unique aircraft, I'm glad to see AA putting $$ into upgrading these birds, as some were built way back in 1985. Just like the MD-80's, I'm sure they will be in service well into the next decade. It is the A300's, which have their days numbered, or soon to be.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 15):
Ship 334 (ER) was written off after an engine failure during MX at LAX in June 2006. Ship 334 (ER) was lost on Sept. 11, 2001.

Correction. I meant to write ship 330 was written off, ship 334 was lost on 9/11. Sorry!
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:26 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 17):
It is the A300's, which have their days numbered

They are numbered indeed. The first to leave the fleet does so next year, the last will leave in 2012. Only four more years of A300 ops in AA colors.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:38 pm

i truly hope the 762 stays in tip top shape for years to come

i fly one of those birds back and forth from LAX-JFK on average of 6 times a month (one way/3 rt) and i truly have developed an affection for them over the UA PS service which i've tried three times/ yet still enjoy the biz/first service on AA.

something special about those planes and when landing in jfk and the pilot says "we hoped you've enjoyed our ocean to ocean service tonight on AA..." well thats something small, but nice.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:23 pm

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 15):

Oh NO!!! 767's will look REALLY UGLY with winglets!!!! It's like a big dog trying to pretend he's a cute puppy.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 1):
First Class: True lie-flat seats are being added to this cabin. They are actually the first class seats that used to be on the 763s, back when they were a three-class product. Those seats were very new when they were removed from the aircraft and very lightly used. They are perfect for the transcon market and actually quite nice.

Has American officially announced that these are the seats which are going into First Class on the 762s? I hadn't seen that elsewhere, and all I saw on the website was the vague reference to "updated seats" (and the addition of one more first class seat) but no details about the actual seats.

http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...outUs/ourPlanes/767200upgrades.jsp
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:02 pm

I hope they around for a looong time! I love the 762's! By far my most favorite plane! Small but wide. They truly are neat airplanes. Lots of room to walk around on a trans-con. The fact that they are dual-aisel planes makes it so much more pleasant then flying on single aisle to LAX or SFO (Or SAN on Saturdays). With the improvements, they will look similar to 763's...BUT...they will upgrade the entire plane with new interiors, not the 1/2 *ss way they upgraded the 763's. Actually 2 are currently being redone as we type.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 15):
Last I knew they will be in the fleet for at least another eight years.

While the 762ER may be the oldest widebodies in the fleet, they are not as old and worn out as everyone makes them out to be. They are the same vintage as a good portion of the MD-82 fleet. The 762ER's easily have another 8 years or so.

While AA retired the non-ER's, the 762ER fleet has a lot of life left in them, primarily due to relatively low # of cycles. While DL & UA beat the heck out of their 762's flying them on short hop domestics, AA has kept their 762ER's mostly on trans-con's and up until 2002 Trans-Atlantics. The longer flight segments, lower number of cycles per day, along with AA's excellent maintenance program has kept these aircraft in very good shape.

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 19):
They are numbered indeed. The first to leave the fleet does so next year, the last will leave in 2012. Only four more years of A300 ops in AA colors.

While the leases start to end beginning next year, it is very possible that AA will extend these leases until a suitable replacement can be obtained. There is no room in the 763/777 fleet to replace A300 flying. Without net new aircraft, AA will be unable to replace A300 capacity. Since Airbus would likely have diffculty in finding new homes for second-hand A300's, it may be to their advantage to seek out lease extensions with AA.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Ontime (Reply 22):
Has American officially announced that these are the seats which are going into First Class on the 762s?

That's my question as well. This was the first I'd heard of that plan. And while AA may still have a bunch of the old 763 coffin seats, I'm not sure they'd be inclined to use them here. If they are to be used as fully lie-flat, that will require a significan pitch increase in the 762 F cabin. The wooly mamoth seats are pitched at around 65" if I'm not mistaken. That, in turn, would require pushing J back and shrinking Y, or any other combination of reconfigurations. I suppose they could prevent the seats from reclining to fully flat, but what would be the gain?

Am I missing something here? Someone help me out...

Also, I second the question of the poster who asked what the new 757 F seats will look like. Any insight?

[Edited 2007-08-27 17:40:31]
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting Ontime (Reply 22):
Has American officially announced that these are the seats which are going into First Class on the 762s?

I don't think this has officially been announced, however, it was told to us by the northeast regional manager during the purser conference in May. This person is one step below the VP Onboard Service.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 24):
While the leases start to end beginning next year, it is very possible that AA will extend these leases until a suitable replacement can be obtained.

At the same purser conference I mention above, we were told the last lease extension had been signed (adding two years to one frame). We were told no more lease extensions would be signed, and that AA was in the process of finalizing their long term, long haul/widebody fleet plan. I wish I knew how many A300s were slated to leave each of the four years. That may offer a little insight. With the 783 coming out in 2010, it would time well with the A300 retirement.

Of course, everything is always subject to change. Just because they don't plan any more lease extensions doesn't mean there won't be any more. However, it was certain at the meeting the A300 would leave the fleet in 2012.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 25):
Also, I second the question of the poster who asked what the new 757 F seats will look like. Any insight?

Surely these will be the same as on the 738 and MD-80s?? They are great seats for F.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 25):
Also, I second the question of the poster who asked what the new 757 F seats will look like. Any insight?



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 27):
Surely these will be the same as on the 738 and MD-80s?? They are great seats for F.

A few months ago an internal company publication had pictures of the new 763 J-class seat. In the background you could see a set of seats that were a light cream color, had adjustable headrests and footrests. The seats looked plush and extremely comfortable. I've asked if that seat was the new 757 seat. The answer: It might be. AA tested several different seat designs for the new 757 f-class seat and that was one of them. Was it the winner? We don't know yet. I can certainly hope so. It was unlike anything we currently have and it looked really nice.

The one thing I've been told is that the new seat will have a footrest. That alone will be a nice upgrade. We, as employees, are still waiting for more information on the 757 and 762 upgrades.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 1):

All cabins: New overhead bins (777 style), new sidewalls, refurbished lavs and new digital audio/video entertainment system (Panasonic eFX) with LCDs. There won't be PTVs, however. First Class already features the new Archos PED, replacing the DVD player. The seats in coach will remain the same, which is fine because they are atcually quite comfy, IMO.

Will the LCDs be over the center of the of the aircraft like the current CRT monitors, or will they be over the aisles? Also, will the LCDs be fixed to the ceiling or will they be the flip-down type similar to what a few of the A300s feature?
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 24):
Since Airbus would likely have diffculty in finding new homes for second-hand A300's, it may be to their advantage to seek out lease extensions with AA.

I wouldn’t be surprised the A-300’s when returned to Airbus will be converted to cargo airplanes.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 30):

I wouldn't be surprised the A-300�s when returned to Airbus will be converted to cargo airplanes.

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They will be snapped up for cargo conversions when and if AA get rid of them. They don't appear to be in the position to do so in the near future.
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:43 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 29):
Will the LCDs be over the center of the of the aircraft like the current CRT monitors, or will they be over the aisles? Also, will the LCDs be fixed to the ceiling or will they be the flip-down type similar to what a few of the A300s feature?

I am assuming the new LCDs will be fixed over the aisle. Our T7s, newer 763s and the 763s with the new J-class all have the LCDs fixed over the aisles. I can't imagine why the 762 would be any different, especially since it's relatively the same interior. Below is a pic of one of the newer 763s with 777-style interiors. This is most likely how the 762 will look as well.


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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:26 pm

The 787-3 would be a dynamite premium transcon machine. Big windows, better air quality, new plane smell, tons of room.

But, the 787-3 empty weight of 223,000 lb is a lot higher than a 762 at 177,000 lb. I really doubt the Dreamliner would save any fuel. Instead, AA would need to increase seating capacity, luxury or some combination.

By comparison, the 737-900ER weighs only 99,000 lbs empty. It does 75% of the job with only 45% of the weight.

The 783 will have its special roles, but the 739ER won't be losing any sleep over it.
 
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RE: AA 762 Upgrades

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:50 pm

AA in knowing their past...will use the same seats. I wouldn't expect cream or any other color. What ever happened to AA's installation of the screen between First and business and or Coach? It was a silver tpye see-through mess thing? It went bye-bye...probably becuase it was ugly. Anyway, I would expect the seats to be the same color, so fabric is mass-stocked and there are no differences. Simplification. Changing a seat color would add tons of complexities.

Monitors, same, why change them? This way the LCD's on the 777, 767-2. 767-3, 757, are the same. One breaks, they have a stock-pile of the same LCD's to use on any of the planes coming into a station.

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