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twolz2rn
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1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:51 am

How come airlines such as AF, BA and SV all have once weekly flights to LAD? I know that AF and BA are sending 777's but why so infrequently? What other airlines fly there and how often?
 
Feroze
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:04 am

From comments elsewhere on this forum, I think it's because that's all the Angolan government will allow. TAP, I think, have more flights and that's due to the former colonial links.

Apparently the flights to Luanda are incredubly lucrative.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:54 am

TAP, Air Namibia, Ethiopian and South African are the only carriers that have more than 1 weekly frequency, and they are probably making a sea of money on the route.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:39 am

Why is this route so lucrative?
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 3):
Why is this route so lucrative?

Well, restricted markets are always lucrative because the limited capacity means that there is often not enough seats to meet demand. Therefore, airlines can get away with charging very high fares and still fill the planes. There is very little competition also in tightly restricted markets.

Furthermore, in the case of Angola there is probably considerable business traffic associated with the oil business (Angola is quite a large oil producing country). This kind of traffic is usually high yielding anyway.
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:48 am

Let's not forget Aeroflot's service to Luanda, which is probably one of few (if not the only) remaining scheduled flights that operates once every fortnight (every other Monday).
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 2):
South African are the only carriers that have more than 1 weekly frequency, and they are probably making a sea of money on the route.

Indeed, SAA operates the 744 on the JNB-LAD sector! The A346 will replace it on these flights once the Boeings leave the fleet.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:48 am

Hainan Airlines is 1x weekly too, with a 763 routing PEK-DXB-LAD.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
Furthermore, in the case of Angola there is probably considerable business traffic associated with the oil business (Angola is quite a large oil producing country). This kind of traffic is usually high yielding anyway.

The Angolan Diamond and [re]construction sectors are also booming.
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:49 am

World Airways flies weekly non-stop for Sonair from Houston and back.



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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:19 am

I am hungry for some updates:
Does TAAG still fly to the European Union? I heard it was banned, and as a retaliation BA was denied further landing rights in Angola? Have other EU airlines been affected? What about the rumour of KL getting a weekly frequency?
Thanks!!
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:52 pm

I thought BA was banned from Angola?
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:19 pm

Hi!

TP flies daily to LAD with 343. I know that at this point TAAG is leasing SA 744's to make their LAD/LIS flights. There's some information right now that the portuguese charter airline EuroAtlantic is going to lease both DT 777's and offer them has wet leases to airlines that need extra capacity. This of course until DT restrictions are over. I saw in the news after DT was banned from EU skies that the portuguese government and portuguese aviation authorities (INAC) were willing to help DT pass and clear this situation..I'm sure soon DT will return to our skies. Don't forget that before DT was banned they had a good number of flights from LAD, both with the 777 but also with the 737NG flying via STM.


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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Let's not forget Aeroflot's service to Luanda, which is probably one of few (if not the only) remaining scheduled flights that operates once every fortnight (every other Monday).

Does that still have an en-route stopover
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:15 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 11):
Don't forget that before DT was banned they had a good number of flights from LAD, both with the 777 but also with the 737NG flying via STM

That must be TMS (Sao Tome Island).
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:04 pm

Hi!

Yeah...I totally mixed the letters, sorry about that..."two fast typing"!!! Big grin
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:32 pm

I'm not sure on whether TAAG is alllowed to fly to the EU again, but BA flights have been re-instated in Angola.

It is the only trip where we fly down from London, go to the hotel for minimum rest while the aircraft waits on the ground, then fly back to London. Usually another crew would take over to save the 'wasted' time on the ground for the aircraft. However, in the case of angola and due to security issues there, the pilot and cabin crew trade unions insisted that crews spend no more time there than absolutely necessary.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:44 pm

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
Furthermore, in the case of Angola there is probably considerable business traffic associated with the oil business (Angola is quite a large oil producing country).

Angola produced about 1.8% of the world's crude oil in 2006. Doesn't sound like much but it's roughly half of Venezuela's or Kuwait's production, 57% of Nigeria's output and 77% of Libya's. And Angola's oil production has been increasing at a higher annual rate than all but a couple of other oil-producing countries.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:12 pm

Shouldn't TP use larger aircrafts such as A346 for this route? Maybe a small number of A346s for LIS-LAD and LIS-GRU. Also, how many 744s will TAAG be getting from SAA? It'd be the most unique 744 livery.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:30 pm

Hi!

I don't think that TP will get the A346's. TP at this moment is concentrating their fleet in the A332 ( 6 units right now, 1 more to come, all 2nd. hand, and from the end of the year on 5 brand new ones that will replace the A313...) and the A343 that will stick around for a few more years. TP is also considering the A350 for the future to replace both A332 and A343. TAAG is using SAA 744's with full SAA livery.
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:04 pm

Could sommeone give me a breakdown of TAP long-haul aircraft routings?

The EWR flight apparently juggles between an A340 and A330.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 2):
TAP, Air Namibia, Ethiopian and South African are the only carriers that have more than 1 weekly frequency, and they are probably making a sea of money on the route.

I understand that Air Namibia does quite well on this route. The couple times I have done the Windhoek-Luanda route, it's been packed. They run a 732 on the route, but sometimes I have heard they have bumped it up to their larger a/c (be it 744, MD-11, or now A340) when it's really needed. Some people prefer to fly Europe to Angola via Namibia instead of South Africa because it saves a little time and the transit is a lot easier than, say, JNB.
 
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 8):
World Airways flies weekly non-stop for Sonair from Houston and back.



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It is actually 3x weekly and is often full.
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Lt-AWACS
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:46 am

I knew it was twice weekly and the route is flown and has been flown for some time now though I was not aware it had gone to thrice weekly. NAteDAL do you know when did it go 3x?

Many of my contractors have flown the route and enjoy the service and I know it is quite popular in Houston. There is an article detailing some aspects of it on the HAS webpage.

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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:58 am

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 22):
I knew it was twice weekly and the route is flown and has been flown for some time now though I was not aware it had gone to thrice weekly. NAteDAL do you know when did it go 3x?

Many of my contractors have flown the route and enjoy the service and I know it is quite popular in Houston. There is an article detailing some aspects of it on the HAS webpage.

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I don't know when it went three weekly (or if it was ever less). If my memory is correct, the Houston Express also had a once (?) weekly flight to Sao Tome. Perhaps Luanda went to 3x weekly when that was dropped?

The article was originally in the Houston Chronicle: http://fly2houston.com/0/375066/0/1906D1934/
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:29 am

Quoting D328 (Reply 10):
I thought BA was banned from Angola?

So did I, but the flight is still operating.
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RE: 1x Weekly Flights To Angola

Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 21):
3x weekly and is often full.

Yea I'll work the flight on thursday mornings, its always nearly or full.

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