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Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:25 pm

A Ryanair-flight had a landing accident,when two of the landing gear-wheels broke off this morning in Cracow's international airport.
So far there is no report about casualties-but the airport is closed for any further movements.

http://www.news4press.com/1/MeldungDetail.asp?Mitteilungs_ID=276509

[Edited 2007-08-28 12:30:44]
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:36 pm

According to the article mentioned above the aircraft is of the runway and sitting in the grass.
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:00 pm

Just wondering if 'two wheels broke off' = 'two tires burst' after Polish->German non-aviation media translation?
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:16 pm

Two tires burst, passengers safely evacuated. No big deal.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:26 pm

I guess this explains this little working:

1240 FR 785X Rzeszów - Krakow ON TIME


Lucky one for me, I flew EI-CSX last night from KRK to STN.


Funny thing is.. if you look on Ryanairs website, they are blaming KRK's delays on the airport traffic control.

This is the 3rd FR tyre blow this weekend ! (1 on friday at STN at 5.30pm, and another last night at STN at 10pm).

I guess they are using budget tyres at the moment ?
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
Funny thing is.. if you look on Ryanairs website, they are blaming KRK's delays on the airport traffic control.

They don't blame ATC. Technically, they are correct when saying:

Quote:
Eta 1230 air traffic control departure restrictions at krakow airport

In the end, ATC restricted departures. Now the reason of departure restriction is a Ryanair airplane sitting on a runway, but that doesn't change the case. If it where an aircraft of another airline sitting on the runway, it wouldn't be any different.

Besides that, I guess their website management system only has a limited amount of reasons for the delays for the flight management to pick from. I guess "incident" is not in the list.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 3):
Two tires burst, passengers safely evacuated. No big deal.

And the the two pilots of that flight can expect a significantly lower pay-cheque next month, after all, staff pay for everything at FRBig grin
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:44 pm

I guess it was

10:15FR 1175SHANNON (SNN)DELAYED 15:00

which bit the bullet.

Did they swap the London flight ? (I guess SNN would be the least busy flight).

Whats the RZE-KRK all about ? A diversion or an aircraft swap ?


According to the Polish television news, the aircraft undercarriage has been pierced by parts of the wheel assembly.
The wheel assembly was damaged by the pieces of tyre.
It also goes on to say the Balice team are going to work all out to have the aircraft inservice as soon as possible to prove their skill and boost it's chances of hosting the Ryanair Polish base to be announced later this year.
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:48 pm

A little off topic but KRK Airport is a mess!
Traffic grew much faster than the Airport infrastructur is capable.
Huge Check- in and security Lines, a much to small gate area a little Chaotic Parking structure and less Bus ports than needed!
I' m surprised that there is not more media attention on this incident.
Maybe they just went of the Taxiway, some of them are less than 15 m.
I would expect to see a huge media interest in a Ryanair incident.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:50 pm

First picture from the scene:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/4439/z4439471X.jpg
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:50 pm

"This is the 3rd FR tyre blow this weekend ! (1 on friday at STN at 5.30pm, and another last night at STN at 10pm)."

Is that unusual - or might some other factor be at play? Expert answers welcome.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:20 pm

more photographs here


http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80269,4439164.html

(Click on the picture).

Is it EI-DAC ?
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 11):
Is that unusual - or might some other factor be at play?

I am not expert but will that be contributed by long term high braking after each landing? Well on all FR's flights I have taken to date (not too many though), it seemed to me they used a very high braking on each landing to get out of the runway. I cant recall any brakings as hard as on FR's flights. Could this contribute to these? I asked once a FR pilot they tend to use autobrake 3 on their 738s most of the times.

Real experts' comments very welcome!
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:03 pm

Quoting Windowplease (Reply 10):

Perhaps they have been shopping at Kwik Fit  Big grin
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 12):

Southwest Airlines is the same and they don't seem to have issue's. Sounds to me, as an outside observer across the pond, that FR has some issue's.

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Southwest Airlines is the same and they don't seem to have issue's. Sounds to me, as an outside observer across the pond, that FR has some issue's.

Hmm, do you know which tyre manufacturer Southwest uses? Might be the quality of tyres FR got is too poor?
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 12):
I am not expert but will that be contributed by long term high braking after each landing?

Well as it is the two nose tyres that are flat at the bottom, it is unlikely that brakes were involved!
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 15):
Hmm, do you know which tyre manufacturer Southwest uses? Might be the quality of tyres FR got is too poor?

Both Ryanair and Southwest use Goodyear Aviation tyres, as do Delta, American, SkyEurope, and many more:

http://www.goodyearaviation.com/newsletter/0605.html
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 11):
Is it EI-DAC ?

It's EI-DHC
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
I guess they are using budget tyres at the moment ?

Looks like the nose undercarriage hit the runway before the main undercarriage.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting Joost (Reply 17):
Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 15):
Hmm, do you know which tyre manufacturer Southwest uses? Might be the quality of tyres FR got is too poor?

Both Ryanair and Southwest use Goodyear Aviation tyres, as do Delta, American, SkyEurope, and many more:

Maybe FR don't replace the tires as often as south west and Delta do? Could this be a possibility?
And what about landing practices in the airline? All the FR flights I've been on , the pilots have used the breaks heavily, this combined with very short turn around times. Could this be a contributing factor?

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:50 am

I to fly Ryanair around 30 times a year for work and now I think of it they do seem to use excessive braking on landing.
I also fly BA quite a bit and they seem to let the reverse thrust do all the braking then apply brakes when the aircraft is going quite slow.

Could it be that they normally used secondary airports which would normally have smaller runways or the fact that they are always in a rush.
I have seen flight turnaround from landing to the next T/O in 15 minutes!! has the tyre had a sufficient time to cool down from a heavy braking landing and a T/O within 15 minutes.

It seem to me that the amount of tyre outs they have had over such a short period indicates a problem of tyre fatigue.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Captainsimon (Reply 21):
I also fly BA quite a bit and they seem to let the reverse thrust do all the braking then apply brakes when the aircraft is going quite slow.

Interesting observation. I also fly BA a lot and have noticed they, as with most airlines, now avoid using the thrust reverse as much as will allow.
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
I guess they are using budget tyres at the moment ?

I got an e-mail recently that indicated this has been a recurring problem on the 738. Though it didn't seem widespread, the same conditions are causing some tire failures. It was something the the tire manufacturer and Boeing were looking in to fixing. I wish I saved the e-mail.

There may be something in tech/ops, but I seldom read that forum and haven't seen any threads in CivAv.

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 20):
All the FR flights I've been on , the pilots have used the breaks heavily, this combined with very short turn around times. Could this be a contributing factor?

No brakes on the nosewheel and nowhere the same heating as the MLG sees...I doubt it's a contributing factor.

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 24):
No brakes on the nosewheel and nowhere the same heating as the MLG sees...I doubt it's a contributing factor.

You are correct. But repeated turns on taxiways on high weights above 10 kts can cause severe weakening of tire sidewalls.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:48 am

Interesting, I was told that Ryanair do fill up with as much extra fuel as they can safely take on board when they are at airports where JET A is cheaper.
So maybe their aircraft do a lot of cycles at near max landing weight this coupled with a speedy taxi to the gate to ensure the 20 minute turnaround could be a factor in the tyres bursting?
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:37 am

Ryanair do not cut corners or costs on maintenance or safety related issues.

Nothing else to say on the matter.
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting Captainsimon (Reply 26):
Interesting, I was told that Ryanair do fill up with as much extra fuel as they can safely take on board when they are at airports where JET A is cheaper.

This is called "fuel tankering" and is well known. However, only a few airlines do that regularly.

Quoting Captainsimon (Reply 26):
So maybe their aircraft do a lot of cycles at near max landing weight this coupled with a speedy taxi to the gate to ensure the 20 minute turnaround could be a factor in the tyres bursting?

"tyres bursting" is an extreme outcome that is not supposed to happen regularly, due to the low cost strategy of an airline. I believe that this event should be treated as a single event and not as a result of habits. Ground and flight crew have to check tires regularly and act appropriately. Ryanair is an airline operating since 1985 that currently flies 135 aircraft with a very good safety record. I believe this gives an answer.

[Edited 2007-08-28 21:54:14]
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:31 am

This is not 1 event, They have had 3 blow outs in one weekend!!
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):

I guess they are using budget tyres at the moment ?

I think its more a question of numbers. If you got a 100 planes and 2 burst tires then it is safe to say that with a 1000 planes you'll have 20 burst tires.
With Ryanair operating so many 738s, the total number of burst tires they have is going to be larger than say a smaller operator of the type.
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 20):
Maybe FR don't replace the tires as often as south west and Delta do?



Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Sounds to me, as an outside observer across the pond, that FR has some issue's.

Ryanair DO NOT cut costs on maintenance and safety. Michael O'Leary states that he has to work "twice" as hard on safety matters as other comparable airlines as he knows the unthinkable consequences of one accident in the low cost industry. At a particular board meeting where the head of engineering was almost afraid to ask if he could buy another spare engine, O'Leary answered immediately "Buy Two" without even having to think about it."

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 27):
Ryanair do not cut corners or costs on maintenance or safety related issues.

Nothing else to say on the matter.

Absolutely true.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:30 am

I am not a FR fan by any means and dont really like them but the one thing you cant knock them on is their safety . They have never had a crash and with all the flights they do they seem to have very few problems. I think they just get highlighted more when they do have a small issue due to the media hype.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 22):
Interesting observation. I also fly BA a lot and have noticed they, as with most airlines, now avoid using the thrust reverse as much as will allow.

I agree.

I have flown BA quite a lot and they very rarely tend to activate reverse thrust, this has been on 757, 767, 319 and 320's. Lufthansa, another Airline I have flown with a lot, tend to do the same, but rely heavily on sharp braking instead.

That said, nearly all KLM flights I have been on have used a huge amount of reverse thrust to slow down, as have Iberia flights.

Back to the airline in question - the Ryanair flights I have been on have also used a lot of reverse thrust to stop. Watching them from the terminal building too at Stansted, they always seem to slow very quick and you cna sometimes hear the reverse from iinside the quite well soundproofed departure gate area which overlooks the runway.

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:54 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 32):
I am not a FR fan by any means and dont really like them but the one thing you cant knock them on is their safety . They have never had a crash and with all the flights they do they seem to have very few problems. I think they just get highlighted more when they do have a small issue due to the media hype.

You have hit the nail on the head. Thats what I am explaining in reply 31. I have only used them on one return trip - Stansted to Vasteras and they were fine. They are launching flights from an airport only ten miles from me (BHD) quite soon so I guess I will be using them at some stage for the sake of convenience at least.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:43 am

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 12):

Surprised your not claiming compensation for all.....   

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting Captainsimon (Reply 21):
I to fly Ryanair around 30 times a year for work and now I think of it they do seem to use excessive braking on landing.
I also fly BA quite a bit and they seem to let the reverse thrust do all the braking then apply brakes when the aircraft is going quite slow.

Really? I've never flown Ryanair, but the rumor -- yes, it's just scuttlebutt -- I heard is that Ryanair pilots wait until at late as possible, using their best judgement, to brake. The thinking goes that drag should do as much as possible to slow the plane down, and the late braking, supposedly at slower speeds, helps to minimize wear on the brakes, thus saving Ryanair money. Hey, every penny counts, right? Anyone ever heard anything like this? I know it sounds somewhat implausible, but then again, many companies (not just airlines, but especially airlines) are taking cost-cutting to the extreme nowadays.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:27 pm

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 36):
the late braking, supposedly at slower speeds, helps to minimize wear on the brakes, thus saving Ryanair money. Hey, every penny counts, right?

This is not correct. See my explanation on aircraft brakes below...

Quoting Awthompson (Reply 31):
Ryanair DO NOT cut costs on maintenance and safety

Ryanair might not... But the 3rd party companies that do their maintenance DO... (Having personally worked for one of them)


Modern Carbon Brakes.
Older aircraft brakes used to be made of steel and other materials. Modern aircraft brakes (like found on the B737NG) are made from carbon fibre and they are designed to work under one condition... HOT

Carbon brakes work amazingly well at their optimum temperature. If they're too cold or too hot they wear excessively. Airline pilots are now being told to operate the aircraft in certain manners to ensure that the brake units last longer.

Avoid unnecessary braking especially when the brakes are cold. This leads to excessive wear. Use aircraft braking as the primary braking source on landing and only use reverse thrust where necessary (Still Arm the T/R's just in case).

If an airline follows these procedures they will increase carbon brake life DRAMATICALLY!

To give you an idea. The industry average life span of a B744 brake unit is 1800 cycles. (2 Years and 4 months) WTL to WTL (Worn To Limits). If the brake units are treated as explained above. One airline in the UK managed to acheive an average of 2100 cycles per unit. (2 Years and 10 months) Which means their brake units were lasting 6 months longer than everyone else. Some units had over 2500 cycles which is over 3 years on axle.

Each brake unit should wear approx 1/1000th of an inch per landing.

This will explain why on more and more aircraft you'll see more hard braking (to get the temperatures up) and less reverse thrust (quieter and reduces wear on the engine). And i'm sure every airline would rather change a brake unit than an engine...
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:47 pm

The runway at krk is quite long so i doubt braking would be an issue. The runway is unusually wide though and from one end there is no glide path indication no papis etc. This can lead to a visual illusion which could leak to a hard landing or a flatter landing with the nosewheel taking more of the brunt . I believe there has been undercarriage damage at this airport before
Also if a high autobrake setting is used then this coupled with reverse and ground spoilers causes the nose to drop quite sharpley if you dont apply enough back pressure on the elevators. Continual impact or a severe one could easily damage the nose wheel .

On Fr and heavy braking with such short turnarounds and otp being important I do see them braking harder to make shorter turnoffs esp at Ltn. The 800 does not stop particualry well so higher settings on the autobrake tend to be used so this could lead to usage on the brakes. Also I dont think FR pays much attention to brake cooling times either as they could not have 20 min turnarounds and adhere to them. For example at medium weights autobrake 3 you need at least 30 mins for the brakes.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 27):
Ryanair do not cut corners or costs on maintenance or safety related issues.

No, of course not. Also, their service and customer care is second to none.
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Joost
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:02 pm

Could it be that Ryanair just received a bad batch of Tyres from Goodyear?
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 39):
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 27):
Ryanair do not cut corners or costs on maintenance or safety related issues.

No, of course not. Also, their service and customer care is second to none.

On what are you basing your statement about maintenance or safety regarding FR?

I actually know how FR maintains their planes and their attitude towards safety. I don't worry at all when I fly them.

Tom.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 17):
Both Ryanair and Southwest use Goodyear Aviation tyres, as do Delta, American, SkyEurope, and many more:

I think all airlines should only use one tyre manufacturer...

Signed.

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:00 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 42):
I think all airlines should only use one tyre manufacturer...

Why? Having more suppliers gives healthy competition. Companies have pressure to improve products and to minimize failures. Also with one supplier, production errors can occur. Different suppliers for tyres have worked fine for years in all industries, including cars and trucks.
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:10 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 43):

Ohhh Joost... seems you didn't get my joke.... that's why it says "signed by Bernie Ecclestone" he is the big cheese of Formula 1 and he changed the rules this year so there is only 1 tyre supplier for all the teams (Bridgestone) Big grin

Other than that I totally agree with what you said.

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:15 pm

Just to clarify, BA almost always uses reverse thrust on landing, but most of the time, it is idle reverse thurst (the simple action of opening the engine side panel but not activating the reverse rotation of the blades). It is quiet and efficient for most airport. Breaks are then applied. That's the current company procedure, most other European airlines follow the same. (not sure about Ryanair though)

Regards
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:25 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 44):
Ohhh Joost... seems you didn't get my joke.... that's why it says "signed by Bernie Ecclestone" he is the big cheese of Formula 1 and he changed the rules this year so there is only 1 tyre supplier for all the teams (Bridgestone)

Oh shame on me! (I've been working for a Formula-1 related company since 1998...)
 
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting F4f3a (Reply 38):
On Fr and heavy braking with such short turnarounds and otp being important I do see them braking harder to make shorter turnoffs esp at Ltn. The 800 does not stop particualry well so higher settings on the autobrake tend to be used so this could lead to usage on the brakes. Also I dont think FR pays much attention to brake cooling times either as they could not have 20 min turnarounds and adhere to them. For example at medium weights autobrake 3 you need at least 30 mins for the brakes.

And bear in mind for 738s there are no indication for brake temperature inside the cockpit.
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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:42 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 42):
think all airlines should only use one tyre manufacturer...

Signed.

Bernie Ecclestone

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RE: Ryanair Incident In Cracow..

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 45):
(the simple action of opening the engine side panel but not activating the reverse rotation of the blades).

The blades don't reverse. The thrust reversers just turn the fan flow around so it blows outward and forward through vanes in the side of the nacelle instead of aft through the exhaust nozzle.

Tom.

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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos