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Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:38 am

The previous thread Central American Aviation Thread, Lucky 13! (by Carmenlu15 Jul 7 2007 in Civil Aviation) got a bit longer than expected, so here goes the new one! (más vale tarde que nunca...  Silly )

- Carmen
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:23 am

Earlier this year, it was said that TA will fly to ONT.
Any news if those flights will start for the Dec-Jan highseason?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
got a bit longer

Just a bit!

Now lets make it better than Pollo Campero!
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:43 am

I saw a press release today indicating that AA will begin service to Panama City from DFW. I took their flight to Guatemala City a number of times.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 3):
I saw a press release today indicating that AA will begin service to Panama City from DFW.

You are correct. They are relaunching service suspended some years ago.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
The previous thread got a bit longer than expected, so here goes the new one!

Hello, everybody.  Smile
Carmen: thank you indeed for start a new thread.
These forums show the interest of our area for aviation...

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Quoting DesertAir (Reply 3):
I saw a press release today indicating that AA will begin service to Panama City from DFW

Further information at: AA DFW-PTY-DFW When? (by PRAirbus Aug 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
Earlier this year, it was said that TA will fly to ONT.
Any news if those flights will start for the Dec-Jan highseason?

No idea with service to ONT, but LAX is getting several operations to Central America on TA, especially to SAL utilizing 321 equipment in some tracks.
It shows a bulky market from Los Angeles area considering other carriers are linking LAX to Central America.
On the other side: few international flights are currently to ONT...
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:36 am

So I was reading La Hora (Guatemalan news paper, saw it in the print version, sorry) and it turns out that now TA wants to upgrade GUA from focus city to mini-hub or something. I guess they might be taking the CM rumor to serious. Maybe Prensa Libre will have something on it tomorrow.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
Just a bit!

Heehee...  sorry 

Quoting Aer (Reply 6):
So I was reading La Hora (Guatemalan news paper, saw it in the print version, sorry) and it turns out that now TA wants to upgrade GUA from focus city to mini-hub or something. I guess they might be taking the CM rumor to serious. Maybe Prensa Libre will have something on it tomorrow.

Interesting, I'll keep an eye on that...

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
Carmen: thank you indeed for start a new thread.
These forums show the interest of our area for aviation...

Funnily enough, that interest of mine for aviation is what is keeping me off a.net lately... work never stops at the travel agency! But I can't complain, more work is a good thing after all... and we get the constant visits of the airline sales reps, always bringing fresh gossip. Big grin

Speaking of gossip, I was told that there were two airlines due to start service to GUA this year, apparently one of them is a subsidiary of ATA or something like that. Anyone has more information about this?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2):
Now lets make it better than Pollo Campero!

Nothing like flying SAL-LAX with a box of Pollo Campero! The smell fills the cabin. Mmmm...
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 7):
'll keep an eye on that...

Prensa Libre had a full page on it today and el Periodico had about 1/4 of a page on it. Here's the link for Prensa Libre (as always, sorry Spanish only)
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting Aer (Reply 9):
Prensa Libre had a full page on it today and el Periodico had about 1/4 of a page on it. Here's the link for Prensa Libre (as always, sorry Spanish only)

Really good news, I can see the following routes:

GUA-LIM daily
GUA-LAX 2 daily
GUA-ORD daily
GUA-JFK daily
GUA-IAD daily.

Maybe new routes SFO and BOS

Juanchito
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:12 am

More gossip... the guy from Aeromexico was here earlier today, and said there will be a GUA-MEX nonstop flight starting in October. Hopefully that will bring fares down...

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 10):
Maybe new routes SFO

Yes please!!!  pray 
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 11):
More gossip... the guy from Aeromexico was here earlier today, and said there will be a GUA-MEX nonstop flight starting in October. Hopefully that will bring fares down...

That would be great. Will the route to SAP and MGA will also exist or will they be replaced.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 10):
Maybe new routes SFO and BOS

If they did this, I would defenitly fly TA again (10 yr record)

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 11):
GUA-MEX nonstop flight starting in October.

Now this would be good. I saw in the res systems that the current AM flights had been downgraded from a 737 to a MD80.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:40 am

So it will be a race between CM and TA to see who gets to GUA first.....my bet is TA because they have more spare capacity, but my wish is CM as TA has had many chances to develop GUA and others and just preferred to be complacent.

and maybe if CM came to GUA...I could finally get to get on a CM flight from BZE.....a few E-190 running regional routes, MEX/GDL/MTY/CUN/BZE/KIN/SAP/HAV would work nice..in fact a GUA-BZE-MBJ route would be ideal for me in both directions Big grin
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 14):
TA has had many chances to develop GUA and others and just preferred to be complacent.

Thats is unfair. Did you see the state of GUA before its great makeover?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:41 am

that is true before the new airport terminal was built there was very little room to add more and more flights by TA. now with the new terminal im sure they will be able to open more routes, etc.  Smile

pollo campero and mango verde all the way!  Smile
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Aer (Reply 6):
TA wants to upgrade GUA from focus city to mini-hub or something. I guess they might be taking the CM rumor to serious

It has been floating for quite a while that GUA would become a CM hub. Hopefully CM can beat TA to the punch.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 14):
So it will be a race between CM and TA to see who gets to GUA first.....my bet is TA because they have more spare capacity, but my wish is CM as TA has had many chances to develop GUA and others and just preferred to be complacent.

I disagree with you, CM has the right sized aircraft to start a small hub at GUA, the E90 is perfect for this, A320s are just too big. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I could see CM flying from GUA to BOG (to link to P5) LAX, MIA, SJO, SAP, BZE, MEX; all with E90s. CM would have a really good set up with hubs at GUA, PTY and BOG.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 17):
I disagree with you, CM has the right sized aircraft to start a small hub at GUA, the E90 is perfect for this, A320s are just too big. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I could see CM flying from GUA to BOG (to link to P5) LAX, MIA, SJO, SAP, BZE, MEX; all with E90s. CM would have a really good set up with hubs at GUA, PTY and BOG.

What about GUA <> MCO / HAV (this one seems to be ok for P5)? or some non-CM destinations like SFO, PHX, SAT, DFW, MSY, TPA? CM/P5 GUA-Mexican destiantions, I really don't think the Mexicans would allow it.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 17):

It has been floating for quite a while that GUA would become a CM hub. Hopefully CM can beat TA to the punch.

Time will say!

Quoting Luisca (Reply 17):
I disagree with you, CM has the right sized aircraft to start a small hub at GUA, the E90 is perfect for this, A320s are just too big.

Too big for what?
TA is expecting to transport an additional 250k passengers in a year according to the Guatemalan newspaper quoted [post 9].
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:10 pm

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 10):
Really good news, I can see the following routes:

GUA-LIM daily
GUA-LAX 2 daily
GUA-ORD daily
GUA-JFK daily
GUA-IAD daily.

Maybe new routes SFO and BOS

I would not start any opinion about new itineraries from GUA because it is just purely speculation, even though the routes listed above make sense except BOS due it has not served anymore.
According to "La Prensa Libre" TA would put schedules to South America meaning dedicate flights to LIM in order to avoid layovers either in SJO or SAL. Illustrative: LIM-SAL and vice versa could had been a recent reference to launch expediting operations to far South America from GUA.
DL has already announced to start shortly JFK-GUA. TA may response it upgrading their JFK-GUA and vice versa as you posted out above.
I keep on repeating that BZE, CUN (and maybe RTB) do not look good integrated and they may have a chance now, even though TA may rather be focusing in other profitable areas from GUA.
CM gets a potential base in GUA and this fact shall be taken in consideration.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:43 pm

FYI..

TACA will announce details about new flight to Montevideo and Oakland on Sept 6..

http://www.elsalvador.com/cursodeldia/index.asp?id=5861
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
Oakland on Sept 6..

Really good news, didn't see this coming.

Juanchito
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:20 am

Forgive me....if you already have a station in SFO....why go across the bay to Oakland too....is the LatAm population that immobile that they cannot drive to SFO....

And the 2 or 3 times I have flown the route to SFO, the loads have been 60-70% max.

I thought they would have done ONT or PHX first
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 23):
if you already have a station in SFO....why go across the bay to Oakland too

Cancel SFO and move to cheaper OAK?

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 23):
I thought they would have done ONT or PHX first

Or the stupid newspaper may have confused ONT with OAK.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 24):
Or the stupid newspaper may have confused ONT with OAK.

Could be... Wasn't ONT already announced a while back?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:14 am

Update.
Most of the following new routes were rumoured and discussed some weeks ago.
For the meantime, they have been officially confirmed and scheduled:

FROM CENTRAL AMERICA
DL 348........SJO 15:49.......JFK 21:45........757.......Starts: February 15......5 times a week
DL346.........LIR 15:30.........JFK 21:45.......738.......Starts: February 16......2 times a week
DL 344........GUA 14:45.......JFK 20:30.......738.......Starts: December 14....3 times a week
DL342.........PTY 14:55........JFK 20:00.......738.......Starts: December 15....4 times a week
AA 2102......PTY 11:05........DFW 14:45.....738.......Starts: December 13....4 times a week
AA2112.......SJO 17:25........FLL 21:05.......738.......Starts: December 13....Daily
CM 275.......PTY 12.10........POS 16:02.....190........Starts: December 15....4 times a week
F9 87..........SJO 07:30........DEN 12:15......319.......Starts: November 30.....4 times a week
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TO CENTRAL AMERICA
DL 349.......JFK 10:30........SJO 14:49........757.......Starts: February 15......5 times a week
DL 347.......JFK 09:55........LIR 14:40.........738.......Starts: February 16......2 times a week
DL 345.......JFK 09:45........GUA 13:52.......738.......Starts: December 14....3 times a week
DL 343.......JFK 08:45........PTY 13:55........738.......Starts: December 15....4 times a week
AA 2101.....DFW 16:45......PTY 22:15........738.......Starts: December 13....4 times a week
AA 2113.....FLL 14:30........SJO 16:25........738.......Starts: December 13.....Daily
CM 274......POS 17:15.......PTY 19:10........190.......Starts: December 15....4 times a week
F9 86.........DEN 00:10.......SJO 06:25........319.......Starts: November 30.....4 times a week

Remarks:
No information yet about AA´s "red-eyes" to SAP, GUA and MGA from South Florida in order to face NK.
Frontier Airlines (IATA code: F9) is introducing services in Central America dispatching from Denver, Colorado.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:00 am

Im fliying on CM on thursday operated by ATA, anybody flown that? Anybody have any idea as to whether or not I will get CM service or crappy ATA service?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:09 am

Two very interesting articles today about CM on La Prensa. They explain the reason for the fall or CMs stock in the first one and the effects that the global aviation market is having on its operations.

Key Points:
CM will lower its growth rate.
2 New Airplanes are parked on the ground, no pilots to fly them.
ATA will continue to operate the PTY-MIA flights for now.
Over 70 new pilots in training.
Lower minimums for hiring.
P5 went from a 4 million dollar loss in 2006 to a 2 million profit.

Links:

http://www.prensa.com/hoy/negocios/1101702.html
http://www.prensa.com/hoy/negocios/1101784.html
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:14 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2):
Now lets make it better than Pollo Campero

 yummy 

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Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 23):
....if you already have a station in SFO....why go across the bay to Oakland too....

You have a good point.
SAL-OAK. Follow up: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL (by MAH4546 Sep 3 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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Quoting Aer (Reply 6):
TA wants to upgrade GUA from focus city to mini-hub or something

I attached a new press release coming from authorities of the airline: http://news.taca.com/esp/nws/nwsbro.asp?key=819

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Quoting Luisca (Reply 28):
ATA will continue to operate the PTY-MIA flights for now.

CM had leased one Boeing 737-800 to ATA. It was flying two of the three daily PTY-MIA as far as I know.
The earliest CM 210 PTY-MIA is still operated with 73G.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting IFLYjets (Reply 16):
pollo campero and mango verde all the way!

Hopefully not at the same time..  ill 

Quoting Luisca (Reply 28):
fall or CMs stock in

Priority # 1 is to keep stock value up. If having ATA fly MIA-PTY is what it takes.. then thats what it takes...
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 28):
CM will lower its growth rate.
2 New Airplanes are parked on the ground, no pilots to fly them.
ATA will continue to operate the PTY-MIA flights for now.
Over 70 new pilots in training.
Lower minimums for hiring.

There are times when success is not a blessing. As smart as CM Panamanian owners are assumed to be, those people should have foreseen long time ago that CM growth was to come with a high price tag.

2 airworthy CM Airplanes parked on PTY tarmac cost CM money.
A number of CM's aircraft and pilots spending the night outside PTY just add to the shortage of pilots. If CM flight schedules and pilot assignments were made is such a way that pilots were to return to PTY whenever possible, those aircraft and pilots spending more time at CM base would hopefully slightly easy the pilot shortage problem.
Having ATA fly some of CM flights it's not the most economical solution for an airline which has its own planes, neither helps CM image at all.
It's very good that 70 new pilots could be in training, but, how many of them would actually fly for CM? So CM is to spend $$$ training pilots if those aren't going to show any commitment to CM. Moreover, CM doesn't have a E190 flight simulator at its Ciudad del Saber (former Fort Clayton / U.S. Military base) Crew Traning Centre, so all pilots to fly Embraer must travel to Brazil to continue their training.

I know a lot of people won't agree with this statement, but I do believe that if CM had chosen the B737-600 instead of the E190, at least CM wouldn't had have the problem to have 2 sets of pilots to fly 2 different aircraft. All CM pilots would have been o.k. to fly all kinds of Next Generation B737.
How does it compare for CM the cost of having aircraft parked at the airport, having pilot shortages, hiring other airlines airplanes to fly its routes plus to train pilots to fly 2 different aircrafts who may not even fly for the airline WITH the difference between flying an E190 and a B737-600???
Are we in front of an example of "Pennywise, Poundfoolish?  boggled 
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 31):

There are times when success is not a blessing.

Ill give you a quote that i remember very clearly from one of my MBA classes.. "Successful businesses not only plan for failure but also for success"


PS> I am by no means implying that CM is mismanaged. I was just adding to your point.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 31):
E190 and a B737-600???

How about fuel efficiency for starters?

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 31):
CM growth was to come with a high price tag.

That is up to the investors and rating agencies to realize, right?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 32):
Ill give you a quote that i remember very clearly from one of my MBA classes.. "Successful businesses not only plan for failure but also for success"

When you invest or start a business don't think 1st how much am I going to make but how much I could afford to lose.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 32):
How about fuel efficiency for starters?

And how about when payload and range are taking into account?. Do you know that CM might have to keep the B737 on their KIN and PAP routes because the E190 can't cope with the amount of baggage ? Also a B737-600 could fly PTY-EZE nonstop if needed, an E190 can't.
CM with B737-600 instead of E190 would have meant that all CM aircraft were o.k. to fly to all CM destinations if needed. Sure, for CM all B737 commonality wouldn't have come cheap, but the price of efficiency surely could have been worth every penny.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 33):
CM with B737-600 instead of E190 would have meant that all CM aircraft were o.k. to fly to all CM destinations if needed. Sure, for CM all B737 commonality wouldn't have come cheap, but the price of efficiency surely could have been worth every penny.

Sorry, but you are way off on this, and US, B6, and many other airlines disagree with you.

You are exaggerating the cost of having 2 fleets, it is an A.net myth that fleet commonality is the holy grail of efficiency, while you certainly dont want to be operating 2 small fleets with similar capacities having different aircraft for similar task is not necessarily bad.

Trip cost for the 736 are almost as high as the 73G; in fact for some flights it is about the same. Second; CM needed a 90 seat aircraft and the 736 is more of a 100 seater. It would have made more sense for CM to have just purchased more 73Gs, but that would have negatively affected yields by flooding the markets with more seats (bringing ticket prices down). CM made the right move with the E90, the problem is that pay is so ridiculously low and pilots are being worked to the bone causing o high turnover rate.

The E90 is the right airplane for new routes and increased frequency, the 736 is an overweight airplane with extremely high CASM. It made absolutely no sense and it is why no airline has ordered one in the last few years, same as with the A318, LAN cancelled its order.

New article:

http://www.prensa.com/hoy/negocios/1102419.html

Basically states that 75 pilots left CM to work for foreign airlines and 15 others have their new contracts with Asian airlines on hold untill the results of the new collective bargaining agreement come out this week.

This week will decide the future for CMs pilot situation; we will either see a huge salary increase (IMO at least 30% is needed to keep pilots in the airline) or a moderate increase that will result in even more turnover.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 34):
The E90 is the right airplane for new routes and increased frequency, the 736 is an overweight airplane with extremely high CASM. It made absolutely no sense and it is why no airline has ordered one in the last few years, same as with the A318, LAN cancelled its order.

Then you could also apply the same way of thinking as of why CM will only have E190 but no E170/175 on its fleet.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:07 am

Well guys/gals.....BZE has dodged its second cat 5 hurricane in 1 month.....hopefully that is it for the year now.....
I am tired of stripping down my office over an over again.

Hope my friends in Nicaragua and Honduras are OK.

All flights are resuming this afternoon with the exception of TA.....
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 36):
Well guys/gals.....BZE has dodged its second cat 5 hurricane in 1 month.....hopefully that is it for the year now.....
I am tired of stripping down my office over an over again.

Hope my friends in Nicaragua and Honduras are OK.

Thank God the hurricane force wind field was really narrow (only 45KM) and the area were it landed scarcely populated. The wind speed will not be a issue IMO, but the rain is what concerns me. I just hope we dont have flooding or mudslides a la Mitch.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 35):
Then you could also apply the same way of thinking as of why CM will only have E190 but no E170/175 on its fleet.

This is different, a 170 is not as inefficient as a 736 because it was designed lighter and with a smaller wing. The 736 carries a lot of dead weight. The main reason CM did not got for the 170 or 175 is that it is just too small, you are looking at about 65 seats if you have a two class plane. The E90 is just right.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 37):
This is different, a 170 is not as inefficient as a 736 because it was designed lighter and with a smaller wing. The 736 carries a lot of dead weight. The main reason CM did not got for the 170 or 175 is that it is just too small, you are looking at about 65 seats if you have a two class plane. The E90 is just right.

This is when you compare E170 inefficiency vs an E190?
IMHO, there are niche markets CM could easily fly to with E170/175 but aren't E190 material yet.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 31):
Crew Traning Centre, so all pilots to fly Embraer must travel to Brazil to continue their training.

Well actually there are pilots in SIM training in Orlando, in Jet Blue's SIM, that crew will start flying in 10 days
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Snaiks (Reply 39):
Well actually there are pilots in SIM training in Orlando, in Jet Blue's SIM, that crew will start flying in 10 days

Any reason why training in Orlando instead of Brazil. I would expect pilots to concentrate more on their training if they were in Brazil than in Orlando.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:09 am

I have some questions about the size of the fleet of Copa Airlines.
CM tends to make nonstop flights from PTY, however some of their routes in Central America do not follow the rule:
TGU-SJO-PTY.........73G
SAP-SJO-PTY........190
SAL-MGA-PTY........190
GUA-MGA-PTY.......190
Does CM really need smaller aircrafts or they pretend to allow traffic between some points within Central America?

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Rumor has is that GUA is a potential base for CM. I do not have any idea if they want to introduce operations within Central America from GUA. If true, their fleet may look oversized due some destinations are operated from GUA by means of smaller aircrafts:
GUA-SAP........ATR42
GUA-FRS........ATR42. Sometimes
GUA-TGU........ATR42
On the other hand, these regional services on ATR could be underestimated needing whether bigger airplanes or more frequencies...
Regards.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:30 am

Does anyone know why the AA BZE-DFW remained overnight here last night. I assume it must have gone tech as I saw it head down the runway to depart, but early this morning was sitting at the terminal.

IF it went tech, AA would have had to fly someone in to fix it...
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 34):
the A318, LAN cancelled its order.

Erm, LA did take up two A318s, both with PW6000 engines.

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Or do you mean that they cancelled the rest of their A318 order and only took up these two?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 43):
Or do you mean that they cancelled the rest of their A318 order and only took up these two?

Yes, that was my point.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 44):
Yes, that was my point.

OK, now I understand. I initially thought you meant they cancelled the entire order.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 41):
Rumor has is that GUA is a potential base for CM. I do not have any idea if they want to introduce operations within Central America from GUA. If true, their fleet may look oversized due some destinations are operated from GUA by means of smaller aircrafts:
GUA-SAP........ATR42
GUA-FRS........ATR42. Sometimes
GUA-TGU........ATR42
On the other hand, these regional services on ATR could be underestimated needing whether bigger airplanes or more frequencies...
Regards.

Taca flies GUA-TGU-SAP-TGU-GUA twice daily with the ATR
Taca flies GUA-FRS-GUA 3 daily two with A-319 and one with ATR.

If CM takes GUA as hub they should focus not only in Central America, they should connect North America with Central America and then the 73G will be enough for this routes.

Juanchito
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:47 am

An article in El Panama America states that CM pilots are looking for a 4K a month base salary. That is a hefty increase.

http://www.pa-digital.com.pa/archive/09052007/topstory.shtml
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:00 am

TA press release on Oakland and Montevideo routes.

http://news.taca.com/esp/nws/nwsbro.asp?key=822

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - 14

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 46):
Taca flies GUA-FRS-GUA 3 daily two with A-319 and one with ATR.

Yes.
GUA-FRS-CUN on ATR.

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