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Continental's Fleet Plans

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:56 am

For those in the know at Continental, what are their current fleet plans? Whats on order (and when/how many), whats being retired, etc?

How much longer will the 737 classics be around?

Any order rumors or anything going around?
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:03 am

787's and 739ER entering the fleet. All T7's have been delivered I believe and some are due to get retrofitted. The Peter max T7 will get painted in regular colors. Some more 733's and 735's are due to get winglets I believe. If this info is bogus, someone please correct me.

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Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:19 am

all the 737-300's haev received their winglets..............obviously more are available, but for now, the first couple that were planned have received their wings!
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):
Whats on order

17 orders for the 787-9, for roughly 2012.
8 orders for the 787-8, for 2009.
27 orders for 737-900ER, starting next year.
15 more 738's coming, all wingletted.
22 more 73G's coming, all wingletted.

Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):
whats being retired

10 735's are being sold to Transaero.
7 733's are leaving next year.

All of this Wikipedia information, Continental guru's correct any wrong numbers.

Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):
Any order rumors or anything going around?

I think they'll be okay for a while.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting Acey (Reply 3):

22 more 73G's coming, all wingletted.


Any further 737NG deliveries will be 737-800/900ER variants. CO more than likely will not take any additional 737-700s.
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:19 pm

I was browsing BCA's listing of availible aircraft (fantasizing, I know) and I saw several 733s and 735s. I cross referenced the msn/cn with airlinerlist.com and several were CO aircraft to be availible this coming January.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting Acey (Reply 3):
7 733's are leaving next year.

Was on a 733 from LAX to IAH on Sunday. Definitely one of the ones to be retired. No winglets and no video display.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:43 pm

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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:48 pm

Are the 787s going to be replacement aircraft for 767s? Or fleet additions?
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 8):
Are the 787s going to be replacement aircraft for 767s? Or fleet additions?

The 764s will stay, but the 762 will probably be sold for freighter operations with cargo carriers at some point, depending on the economy and fuel prices.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7):
Compare to:

How so exactly? What's all that different?
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10):
Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7):
Compare to:

How so exactly? What's all that different?

Look at the PTVs.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 9):
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 8):
Are the 787s going to be replacement aircraft for 767s? Or fleet additions?

The 764s will stay, but the 762 will probably be sold for freighter operations with cargo carriers at some point, depending on the economy and fuel prices.

Keep in mind that those are some of the newest and most modern 767s around, fitted with the signature interior, so there are years of service left in those. I would really not be surprised if 767-200ERs started to fly routes currently served by 757-200s once the 787s arrive and the 757s are getting older (and those routes are getting more developed). I can only see 767s leaving if CO starts to feel like they have too many long haul aircraft, and that is a problem airlines in this country haven't had in a while.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:35 am

I would see the 762's opening thinner routes in Eastern Europe that the 752 can't reach and/or has better cargo potential. CO's 752s are fairly new birds and moving them to long haul operations further extends their life by keeping the cycles down. They will be around quite a while.

Each ultra long haul route that a 787 fills will take two units, so CO will not have an excess of long haul aircraft.

Agreed the 762 are newer aircraft, but the economics are poor with today's fuel prices. Their age is both an asset for CO's use and on the used aircraft market when the time is right to unload them (economic downturn and/or fuel price increases).
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 9):
The 764s will stay, but the 762 will probably be sold for freighter operations with cargo carriers at some point, depending on the economy and fuel prices.

the 762s are newer than the 764s so why would CO sell them.....there is no possible way the 787 is that much better on fuel.If i am wrong show me the numbers!
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
the 762s are newer than the 764s so why would CO sell them.....there is no possible way the 787 is that much better on fuel.If i am wrong show me the numbers!

If am not mistaken the 762 has some of the worst economics of all the widebodied twins and Boeing is claiming "The airplane will use 20 percent less fuel for comparable missions than today's similarly sized airplane." Just over the course of a year, I would say that is a substantial amount in fuel savings. I am not trying to knock the 762, it's one of my favorite widebodies, but it won't be nearly as economical to operate on long hauls
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 11):
Look at the PTVs.

I did, hence the question.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
the 762s are newer than the 764s so why would CO sell them.....there is no possible way the 787 is that much better on fuel.If i am wrong show me the numbers!

Just because an aircraft is new does not mean it is more fuel efficient. New 767-200ERs built today still have the same technology used in the first one in 1984. So, technically, 767-200ERs are over 23 years old.

So, a 787 is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 1984, and is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 2000.

CO's 767-200ERs will probably be retired by 2012.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
Just because an aircraft is new does not mean it is more fuel efficient. New 767-200ERs built today still have the same technology used in the first one in 1984. So, technically, 767-200ERs are over 23 years old.

never said that but to retire 6-7 year old plane is dumb and can i get a link for that 20% because i swore i look on boeing.com and it said 10% but i could be wrong

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
CO's 767-200ERs will probably be retired by 2012.

i would say thats about right maybe 2015
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:14 am

Just for the sake of it here's my outlook for Continental's fleet development:

Short Haul
All Boeing 737NG's will stay but miraculously Mr. Leahy will offer them a crazy offer to buy them all and replace them with A320.

Long Haul
Suddenly CO will find 777's too expensive and they are indeed and will order 100 x A330/A340's to conquer the world out of EWR. I mean A340-600's for the price of a 757.

Heavy
And oh! I almost forgot - The A380. CO must go for at least 55+ of them. They will suddenly decide they made a big poo ordering the Dreamliner - it's made of plastic after all. Let's recycle it and turn it into plastic cups.

I am just dreaming, right?! And don't tell me the above scenario is completely impossible. I was always wondering why does CO avoids Airbus in their fleet plans. I understand there was some sorta Gentleman's agreement but aren't the shareholders a bit wary of management not considering all options. This may have been discussed to death but it's still UNANSWERED.

My 3 1/2 cents.

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):

Just because an aircraft is new does not mean it is more fuel efficient. New 767-200ERs built today still have the same technology used in the first one in 1984. So, technically, 767-200ERs are over 23 years old.

So, a 787 is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 1984, and is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 2000.

CO's 767-200ERs will probably be retired by 2012.

But remember, the newer ones have lower maintenance costs. The older something is, the harder and more expensive it becomes to maintain.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
So, a 787 is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 1984, and is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 2000.

But the 787-8 is still significantly larger than the 767-200ER, so on routes where CO really only needs about 175 seats with a larger premium cabin than on the 757, the 767-200ER would continue to be useful. If CO plans to expand their long-haul flying at a pace comparable to the past few years, they'll still need the 762ER's. If we start to see weakness in the long-haul markets, then yes, the 762ER's would probably be the first to go.
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:45 am

How far can 737ER's fly? What kind of routes would they fly?
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 18):
And don't tell me the above scenario is completely impossible

Even though you said not to, I have to say this...IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! CO is perfectly happy with Boeing and has been for a very long time. Why switch to airbus at this point in time after your entire fleet is only Boeing.
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting Nycaross (Reply 21):
How far can 737ER's fly? What kind of routes would they fly?

Far enough to fly any trasncon routes CO uses the 752 on right now for extra capacity over a 738. (Which is something the original 739's couldn't do.) The only thing it can't do easily is IAH-ANC.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:34 am

757's are also getting AVOD soon.
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
New 767-200ERs built today still have the same technology used in the first one in 1984. So, a 787 is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 1984, and is ~20% more fuel efficient than a 767-200ER built in 2000.

Not true. Hell, that doesn't even apply to newer 772ERs versus older ones.

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 18):
aren't the shareholders a bit wary of management not considering all options

Why do you assume that they don't?
...are you aware that even WN has routine consultations with Airbus? Ditto for CO, DL, etc.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 12):
I would see the 762's opening thinner routes in Eastern Europe that the 752 can't reach and/or has better cargo potential. CO's 752s are fairly new birds and moving them to long haul operations further extends their life by keeping the cycles down. They will be around quite a while.

BUD comes to mind. During high season they could fly daily with the 762 and during the low winter season, a three day schedule like MWF.

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 18):
I am just dreaming, right?! And don't tell me the above scenario is completely impossible. I was always wondering why does CO avoids Airbus in their fleet plans. I understand there was some sorta Gentleman's agreement but aren't the shareholders a bit wary of management not considering all options. This may have been discussed to death but it's still UNANSWERED.

An agreement is just that, an agreement. CO wouldn't of entered into that agreement if they didn't feel that Boeing presented the best options for them. And given the agreements, Airbus would probably have to give away the planes to beat Boeing's pricing for CO, DL, and AA (the three carriers with the agreement). After AA went with the A300, Boeing realized that it has to stay competitive to keep its longtime loyal customers. And that's what they seemed to have done.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting Nycaross (Reply 21):
How far can 737ER's fly? What kind of routes would they fly?

737-900ERs will do Domestic routes, Trans-Cons from EWR to the West Coast and IAH to Latin America.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 27):
An agreement is just that, an agreement. CO wouldn't of entered into that agreement if they didn't feel that Boeing presented the best options for them. And given the agreements, Airbus would probably have to give away the planes to beat Boeing's pricing for CO, DL, and AA (the three carriers with the agreement). After AA went with the A300, Boeing realized that it has to stay competitive to keep its longtime loyal customers. And that's what they seemed to have done.

I believe the actual official agreement was deemed illegal and voided. However, you are right about pricing. The three carriers from the agreement likely get killer deals on Boeing aircraft. Plus, like a previous poster said, they are quite happy with Boeing, so why change?
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:40 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 29):
I believe the actual official agreement was deemed illegal and voided. However, you are right about pricing. The three carriers from the agreement likely get killer deals on Boeing aircraft. Plus, like a previous poster said, they are quite happy with Boeing, so why change?

i dont know about CO and AA but Boeing is a big shareholder of DL
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 30):
Boeing is a big shareholder of DL

True, I never thought of that one. That definitely helps the relationship between the two companies. Plus, of course, Boeing backed Delta during the ridiculous US Airways debacle.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 18):
I was always wondering why does CO avoids Airbus in their fleet plans. I understand there was some sorta Gentleman's agreement but aren't the shareholders a bit wary of management not considering all options

Gordon Bethune came to CO from Boeing. As long as he is alive, CO will not buy Airbus.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Wj (Reply 32):
Gordon Bethune came to CO from Boeing. As long as he is alive, CO will not buy Airbus.

That really doesn't sound serious as a policy, not to mention very fishy. Let's say I work for an airline and before I joined that airline I worked for one of their major suppliers - let's say I worked for Tupolev. Does that mean that my new company must always buy Tupolev even though I can get a better deal on Ilyushins?

You might suggest that due to his previous involvement with Boeing CO is always getting a sweet deal on Boeing equipment - that may be true but might as well be a smokescreen for under the table deals and kickbacks. We were all witness to how corporate executives can be very greedy and they care very little of their shareholders' interests - ENRON, Worldcom etc. What bothers me the most with those uncontested fleet choices is the utmost lack of transparency - it's a BAD thing.

I am not a die hard fan of a single aircraft supplier and uncontested deals is close to the way some very corrupt governments work - giving it to the highest bidder. Unfortunately for CO shareholders Continental is NOT Pakistan. Being loyal to a supplier is okay as long as it's based on real advantages over the competitor's products but in the case of CO + Boeing I do not see it that one-sided.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:37 pm

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 18):
I am just dreaming, right?! And don't tell me the above scenario is completely impossible. I was always wondering why does CO avoids Airbus in their fleet plans. I understand there was some sorta Gentleman's agreement but aren't the shareholders a bit wary of management not considering all options. This may have been discussed to death but it's still UNANSWERED.



Quoting Wj (Reply 32):
Gordon Bethune came to CO from Boeing. As long as he is alive, CO will not buy Airbus.

True, Gordon Bethune came from Boeing, he has no say in what Continental decides fleet wise. We at Continental had a love/hate relationship with our A-300s. They were great when you non-reved, but they had many maintenance problems, so much so I still do not care for Airbus products ever since we retired ours, irrational maybe, those A-300s might have been abused by their former owners. Right now we have and are continuing to build up our fleet with new aircraft from Boeing. We have many on back order, and it sure beats the days when we flew A-300-B4, B-747-100, B747-200,DC-10-10, DC-10-30, DC-9-10, DC-9-30, DC-9-50, DC-9-80, 727-100, 727-200, 737-100, 737-200, 737-300. The spare parts problems we had at Continental, it is a wonder we made it through those times. So many different paint schemes. We have a lot of Boeings yet to be delivered, I do not believe I will see Airbus at Continental during my time.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 18):
And don't tell me the above scenario is completely impossible. I was always wondering why does CO avoids Airbus in their fleet plans.

That scenario IS completely impossible and frankly beyond ludicrous. CO has 20 777's and yet you suggest they should go out and buy 55 A380's?! They'd turn Dreamliners into "plastic cups" because the A330 and A340 are more efficient? NOT. And they'd buy a fleet of 100 A330's and A340's because the fleet of 777's & 767's they already have is "too expensive?"

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 33):
I am not a die hard fan of a single aircraft supplier

Sure. That's why you only suggested Airbus products in your previous post.

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 33):
uncontested deals is close to the way some very corrupt governments work - giving it to the highest bidder.

Since you aren't a party to the terms of the agreements between Continental and Boeing, how is it that you know that Continental is overpaying? Have you ever considered that Continental ended up getting extremely favorable terms from Boeing as part of the exclusivity agreement (which is now a gentleman's agreement)?
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 33):
That really doesn't sound serious as a policy, not to mention very fishy. Let's say I work for an airline and before I joined that airline I worked for one of their major suppliers - let's say I worked for Tupolev. Does that mean that my new company must always buy Tupolev even though I can get a better deal on Ilyushins?

No. But Bethune was able to strike a good deal (for whatever reason) and get his company good deals on aircraft.

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 33):
You might suggest that due to his previous involvement with Boeing CO is always getting a sweet deal on Boeing equipment - that may be true but might as well be a smokescreen for under the table deals and kickbacks. We were all witness to how corporate executives can be very greedy and they care very little of their shareholders' interests - ENRON, Worldcom etc. What bothers me the most with those uncontested fleet choices is the utmost lack of transparency - it's a BAD thing.

Difference is, Continental is in great financial shape. Remember it was under his leadership that Continental recovered from the disasterous Frank Lorenzo years to become one of the most successful carriers in the industry. Bethune was looking out for his company by choosing Boeing. Just because there is that previous connection doesn't mean Bethune was recievign kickbacks. It wasn't just CO as I have previously stated. DL and AA are in the same boat. CO continues to meet with both carriers, but continues to decide that Boeing is the better choice.

Quoting Sofianec (Reply 33):
Being loyal to a supplier is okay as long as it's based on real advantages over the competitor's products but in the case of CO + Boeing I do not see it that one-sided.

it is for that reason that CO went with Boeing to begin with. it is for that reason that CO continues to go with Boeing. And CO is in pretty good shape thanks to Bethune's leadership.
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 36):
Difference is, Continental is in great financial shape. Remember it was under his leadership that Continental recovered from the disasterous Frank Lorenzo years to become one of the most successful carriers in the industry. Bethune was looking out for his company by choosing Boeing. Just because there is that previous connection doesn't mean Bethune was recievign kickbacks. It wasn't just CO as I have previously stated. DL and AA are in the same boat. CO continues to meet with both carriers, but continues to decide that Boeing is the better choice.

Do not forget the approx 9 CEOs between Lorenzo and Bethune, they almost destroyed Continental over 10 years time. Just before Bethune arrived, we just about closed the doors with Ferguson at the helm. Bethune was well compensated by Continental, in my opinion he was worth every penny, including the rumored new Porsche he received every year. I just wish we could get back all the golden parachute money those 9 CEOs left with, put it in our profit sharing for the year, or buy some more Boeings.
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
The Peter max T7 will get painted in regular colors.

Thank God they are getting rid of that horrible scheem.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 12):
CO's 752s are fairly new birds and moving them to long haul operations further extends their life by keeping the cycles down. They will be around quite a while.

Do you think they will be used for Domestic or Intl operations once the 762's and 787's take over?
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 38):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 12):
CO's 752s are fairly new birds and moving them to long haul operations further extends their life by keeping the cycles down. They will be around quite a while.

Do you think they will be used for Domestic or Intl operations once the 762's and 787's take over?

The 752s will continue on TATL services, but maybe shifting to new, thin markets or provide additional frequency on proven routes. If placed on ultra long haul routes, the 787 orders can operate maybe 12 of these routes.as it takes two unit for most routes. For a point of referrence, CO opeates about 30 TATL round trips per day with 752s at this point.
 
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:40 pm

Just saw my first 737-300 with winglets tonight (ship #345 i think?). Looks good!
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:13 pm

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 40):
Just saw my first 737-300 with winglets tonight (ship #345 i think?). Looks good!

The 11th, and final, 733 winglet conversion is underway in MIA. It will soon be time to get going on the 735s.
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 15):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 11):
Look at the PTVs.

I did, hence the question.

You can't see that the new PTV's are much bigger than the old ones and have AVOD?
 
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 36):
Difference is, Continental is in great financial shape. Remember it was under his leadership that Continental recovered from the disasterous Frank Lorenzo years to become one of the most successful carriers in the industry

No American legacy carrier is in great financial shape.They all have extremely high debt, including CO.
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 43):
No American legacy carrier is in great financial shape.They all have extremely high debt, including CO.

They are in the black, and haven't been in bk for a while. In the scheme of US carriers, they are in great shape, compared to other international carriers, they may not be in such great shape.
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bobnwa
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 44):
They are in the black, and haven't been in bk for a while. In the scheme of US carriers, they are in great shape, compared to other international carriers, they may not be in such great shape.

Are you saying they don't have very high debt. ie: much higher than the assets of the company. I would not call that being in the black.
 
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 24):
757's are also getting AVOD soon.

Ship 130 is in MCO now getting the retrofit. 1 down, 40 to go.
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bok269
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 45):

Are you saying they don't have very high debt. ie: much higher than the assets of the company. I would not call that being in the black.

Im not extremely well read into their financial state. I do know that they turned a profit in 2006 and are on track to trun a profit this year.
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sxf24
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 30):
i dont know about CO and AA but Boeing is a big shareholder of DL

No, they are not.

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 44):
They are in the black, and haven't been in bk for a while. In the scheme of US carriers, they are in great shape, compared to other international carriers, they may not be in such great shape.

A profit means nothing. As mentioned before, US carriers (especially AMR) have an extreme level of debt in relation to their assets and cash flow. They are all 1-2 bad quarters away from liquidation.
 
masseybrown
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RE: Continental's Fleet Plans

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 43):
They all have extremely high debt, including CO.

At the last earnings conference, CO's CFO said that CO is highly leveraged, but that it has always been highly leveraged. He gave the impression that he thinks CO is better at managing debt than other carriers. Time will tell.

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