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Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:44 am

I'm sure this has been discussed before, I did a search but found nothing. Any particular reason???

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RE: Why There Aren't Any Flts. From DCA & LGA To LAX?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
I'm sure this has been discussed before, I did a search but found nothing. Any reason in particular?? I know Alaska flies DCA-SFO

Alaska does LAX-DCA, not DCA-SFO.

There are perimeter rules at LaGuardia (1,500mi) and DCA (1,250mi). At LaGuardia the exceptions are flights to Denver and flights on Saturdays. At DCA, airlines can use one of a very small number of beyond-perimeter slots, which are highly sought after (IIRC, there are 12 round-trip beyond perimeter slots).
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RE: Reason For No Flights From DCA & LGA To LAX?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Alaska does LAX-DCA

They also have DCA-SEA
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RE: Reason For No Flights From DCA & LGA To LAX?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:54 am

TWA did DCA-LAX pre-AA
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From DCA & LGA To LAX?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:56 am

Correct, AS flies DCA-LAX. I just fixed the thread to a better question

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RE: Reason For No Flights From DCA & LGA To LAX?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:57 am

It's the perimeter rules and no international flights set by the Port Authority for LGA...but not so exactly on the international rule...because Air Canada flies to LGA from Canada.
 
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RE: Why There Aren't Any Flts. From DCA & LGA To LAX?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:10 am

DCA and LGA are both subject to perimeter rules. DCA has a 1250mi perimeter, and LGA's is 1500mi.

To make it more complicated, there is an allocation of "beyond perimeter" exceptions granted from DCA. For example, there are two nonstops DCA-LAX; one each on Delta ( DL 9018 ) and Alaska ( AS 5 ).

LGA's perimeter rule is suspended on Saturdays, and DEN is exempted from the rule altogether - UA, F9, and US all operate LGA-DEN nonstops. I don't know if any airlines take advantage of the Saturday exemption.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:13 am

LGA doesn't have customs and all trans-border flights serving LGA are pre-cleared in Canada. AA and DL did do a Sat. only roundtrip between LAX-LGA, I know DL doesn't fly it any more and I'm not sure about AA.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 6):
US all operate LGA-DEN nonstops

Since when does US operate LGA-DEN nonstop? I know they put their code on United flights between the two cities, but I don't believe they operate any flights on their own metal there. All they operate mainline flights to is CLT and some carribean cities, and the Shuttle Routes.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:30 am

I think US runs PHL-DEN in addition to CLT. I was thinking he might have meant DCA-DEN, but I checked and just shows 1-stops.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 8):
Since when does US operate LGA-DEN nonstop? I know they put their code on United flights between the two cities,

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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:44 am

AFAIK nobody's ever explained the history of the LGA 1500-statute?-mile rule, so we don't know when it started.

Before IAD was built there was no perimeter rule at DCA, and UA and AA (and TW?) had nonstops to LAX/SFO. Jets weren't allowed at DCA until 1966, so there may have been no need for a perimeter rule before that. The DCA rule started out at 650 miles with several grandfather exceptions; at some point (early 1980s?) it increased to 1000 miles, then a few years later the 1250 rule.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting 777WT (Reply 5):
It's the perimeter rules and no international flights set by the Port Authority for LGA...but not so exactly on the international rule...because Air Canada flies to LGA from Canada.

There's not a ban on international flights at LGA. However, the airport does lack customs/FIS. Thus, any inbound international flights have to be pre-cleared at the foreign airport - this works for most airports in Canada, plus a few other places.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 7):
LGA doesn't have customs and all trans-border flights serving LGA are pre-cleared in Canada. AA and DL did do a Sat. only roundtrip between LAX-LGA, I know DL doesn't fly it any more and I'm not sure about AA.

There are Customs facilities at LGA, but they are small and better equipped for corporate aircraft.

CO does LGA-AUA saturdays only.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:52 am

I wonder if there ever was a "Perimeter Rule" in-play at MDW? ORD was built in-between when JFK and IAD was built and when jets were coming online- so I'm guessing no.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 6):
DCA and LGA are both subject to perimeter rules. DCA has a 1250mi perimeter, and LGA's is 1500mi.

That's only half the answer because it doesn't explain why there is a perimeter rule to begin with. IIRC, the perimeter rule was established to combat heavy congestion at the airport. The irony of course is that it did nothing to combat congestion and continues to do nothing to reduce congestion because the real offenders of congestion are not the larger, less frequent transcon flights but the hundreds of short hop flights to/from LGA that fall well within the 1500mi perimeter.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting 777WT (Reply 5):
It's the perimeter rules and no international flights set by the Port Authority for LGA...but not so exactly on the international rule...because Air Canada flies to LGA from Canada.

DL also operates LGA-BDA and both DL and US operate LGA-NAS. Like Canada, both have pre-clearance.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:02 am

I think at the time when IDL/JFK was built, people actually thought JFK would absorb LGA's conjestion along with EWR. Nobody saw the growth potential in the years to come along with the introduction of aircraft such as the 727, 737 and DC 9 variants.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
That's only half the answer because it doesn't explain why there is a perimeter rule to begin with. IIRC, the perimeter rule was established to combat heavy congestion at the airport.

Roger, I knew it had something to do with a perimeter, but I didn't know the reason for the perimeter. That's the info I was looking for.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:29 am

DL used to operate a saturday only LGA-LAX service with the 757. However, it wasn't very successful, and was then dropped.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
At DCA, airlines can use one of a very small number of beyond-perimeter slots, which are highly sought after (IIRC, there are 12 round-trip beyond perimeter slots).

Actually, it is 12 one way slots, for a total of 6 round trips, 3 of which are wasted on DEN.

Quoting Tpaewr (Reply 3):
TWA did DCA-LAX pre-AA

Yep, and AA tried to keep the slots, but since they weren't the corporate successor, the DOT said no.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 6):
For example, there are two nonstops DCA-LAX; one each on Delta ( DL 9018 ) and Alaska ( AS 5 ).

Incorrect. There is just the one. The Delta flight, as you can see by the very strange flight number, is a code share on the Alaska flight.

Quoting Timz (Reply 11):
Jets weren't allowed at DCA until 1966, so there may have been no need for a perimeter rule before that.

Well, there were plenty of props that could do the flights. The Constellation, DC-6 and DC-7 come to mind instantly.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 12):
However, the airport does lack customs/FIS.

No it does not. If it did, even pre-cleared flights would not be allowed.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
3 of which are wasted on DEN.

Four of which are "wasted" on DEN - 3 x Frontier, I x United.

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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 21):

Four of which are "wasted" on DEN - 3 x Frontier, I x United.

You are correct sir. I actually had the total number wrong, as I was looking at an older DOT document.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 7):
AA and DL did do a Sat. only roundtrip between LAX-LGA, I know DL doesn't fly it any more and I'm not sure about AA.

Neither airline operates LGA-LAX. DL did, AA never has.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 8):
Since when does US operate LGA-DEN nonstop?

They don't.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 6):
For example, there are two nonstops DCA-LAX; one each on Delta ( DL 9018 ) and Alaska ( AS 5 ).

No, there is one non-stop DCA-LAX, and it is on Alaska Airlines.

Quoting 777WT (Reply 5):
It's the perimeter rules and no international flights set by the Port Authority for LGA...but not so exactly on the international rule...because Air Canada flies to LGA from Canada.

International flights are allowed, if they are within the perimter and pre-clear. Pre-clear airports include Aruba, Bermuda, Calgary, Edmonton, Freeport, Halifax, Montreal, Nassau, Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):

Actually, it is 12 one way slots, for a total of 6 round trips, 3 of which are wasted on DEN.

We're both wrong. Alaska Airlines has 3 (2x SEA, 1x LAX); US Airways has 3 (2x PHX, 1x LAS); F9 has three (3x DEN), and UA and DL each have one (1x DEN, 1x SLC, respectively). And, for some reason, I think I'm missing one but I don't which.

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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
Quoting 777WT (Reply 5):
It's the perimeter rules and no international flights set by the Port Authority for LGA...but not so exactly on the international rule...because Air Canada flies to LGA from Canada.


International flights are allowed, if they are within the perimter and pre-clear. Pre-clear airports include Aruba, Bermuda, Calgary, Edmonton, Freeport, Halifax, Montreal, Nassau, Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver.

Since you are including some airports beyond the perimiter, should also add Winnipeg, Bermuda, Dublin, Shannon to be complete.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Quoting Timz (Reply 11):
Jets weren't allowed at DCA until 1966, so there may have been no need for a perimeter rule before that.

Well, there were plenty of props that could do the flights. The Constellation, DC-6 and DC-7 come to mind instantly.

Yup, far as we can see a DCA-California nonstop DC-7 was legal until ... well, maybe it still is. DCA had nonstop Electras to DAL until 1965 at least, but DFW wasn't jet-legal from DCA until about the beginning of 1987, when the perimeter grew to what it is now.

So why wasn't there a nonstop DC-7 DCA to California in, say, 1963? Probably because nobody wanted to fly on one.

(DCA to MKC/MCI wasn't allowed under the 1966 rule-- it wasn't grandfathered. MCI got nonstops starting in 1981, so presumably that's when the perimeter rule expanded to a flat 1000 miles with no grandfathering needed.)

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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:41 am

TZ flew SFO-LGA on Saturdays for a short while, but no longer.

These perimeter rules are silly. They should just auction off the slots and let the airlines figure out how best to use them. You'd see a lot less RJs when their slot costs the same as a 757 slot.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:04 am

Don't forget about DL's LGA-LAS... That was also operated out of LGA with 757s.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 13):
CO does LGA-AUA saturdays only.

I think you are mistaken. AUA is served n/s via EWR only. OAG shows no airline offering nonstops from LGA.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting BayAreaPilot (Reply 26):
These perimeter rules are silly. They should just auction off the slots and let the airlines figure out how best to use them

Can you imagine if any airline was allowed to fly LGA-LAX all they wanted? who wouldn't jump on it???
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:11 am

Seems that CO has dropped it's Aruba service.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:14 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 29):
Can you imagine if any airline was allowed to fly LGA-LAX all they wanted? who wouldn't jump on it???

Unless they made cuts at JFK/EWR, you think people would beef about NYC airspace congestion now? It does make sense though. I could see AA, UA, and VX jumping on it really fast, who knows who else?
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
We're both wrong. Alaska Airlines has 3 (2x SEA, 1x LAX); US Airways has 3 (2x PHX, 1x LAS); F9 has three (3x DEN), and UA and DL each have one (1x DEN, 1x SLC, respectively). And, for some reason, I think I'm missing one but I don't which.

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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:44 am

I think down the road it will happen, at least on a limited basis, but not SAT only. But, they're going to have to come up with a solution with all the RJ traffic. I'm sure those slots are negotiable. And to think, it could have been done 30yrs. ago with the DC-10 and L1011. There would have to be trade-offs and concessions, but I could see it in the next 5-10 yrs. Depending on who you talk too, alot of people think LGA is actually closer into Manhattan. But, I'm not gonna go there. Big grin
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:37 pm

Never really heard of the perimeter rule. However, I am aware that after 9-11, there were probably concerns over widebodied jets over LGA? Correct me if I'm wrong.

International has nothing to do with it. The question is about transcon flights between LGA and the west coast. If UA and DL could do 757s from JFK-LAX (and occassionally AA - as it was with one case on Sep. 17, 2005, when it subbed in for a regular 762), I don't see why they can't do a 757 from LGA-LAX or LGA-SFO and v.v.

I don't know why, but P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L-L-Y, i prefer widebodied planes.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting Iflyatldl (Reply 14):
I wonder if there ever was a "Perimeter Rule" in-play at MDW?

Not that I have ever heard. It may have been tried.

MDW has a built in perimeter, the length of the runways and the exclusion of widebodies. The 757-200 would be your best bet to try something, but they are already limited certain times of the year to the west coast. Except for westernmost Europe, no can do. Even that would be difficult because of weight restrictions most if not all year.

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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:44 pm

During the winter, AA flies EGE-LGA on Saturdays. This works since it's a leisure route, and leisure routes generally do fine on Saturdays. The more business-oriented routes don't do so hot on Saturdays so things like LAX-LGA didn't prove successful enough for airlines like Delta.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:41 pm

Room i would think would be a problem at Lga on Widebodies, I took the first 767-400-er out of there to atl and all the dal employyes were on the tarmac watching,and it looked as though they were haveing trouble towing it to the gate and back out again.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:16 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 37):
Room i would think would be a problem at Lga on Widebodies, I took the first 767-400-er out of there to atl and all the dal employyes were on the tarmac watching,and it looked as though they were haveing trouble towing it to the gate and back out again.

763's and 764's flying into LGA for DL is not uncommon, It's hardly the deal you're trying make it.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 34):
Never really heard of the perimeter rule. However, I am aware that after 9-11, there were probably concerns over widebodied jets over LGA? Correct me if I'm wrong.

International has nothing to do with it. The question is about transcon flights between LGA and the west coast. If UA and DL could do 757s from JFK-LAX (and occassionally AA - as it was with one case on Sep. 17, 2005, when it subbed in for a regular 762), I don't see why they can't do a 757 from LGA-LAX or LGA-SFO and v.v.

You've never heard of it? Are you doubting that it exists? I assure you that you're not the first one that thinks LGA-west coast would be profitable...

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The perimeter rules restrict the length of flights to and from the two airports. In general, flights longer than 1,500 miles are banned at La Guardia, while the cap is 1,250 miles at Reagan. There are a few exceptions. The La Guardia restriction doesn't apply on Saturdays, and flights to and from Denver are allowed. Over the years, Congress has exempted flights to a handful of more distant cities from Reagan.



Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 31):
Unless they made cuts at JFK/EWR, you think people would beef about NYC airspace congestion now? It does make sense though. I could see AA, UA, and VX jumping on it really fast, who knows who else?

In terms of airspace congestion, I would think that if LGA opened up for the west coast, the number of seats from EWR and JFK would be slightly reduced. The planes would have to come from somewhere.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:24 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 34):
Never really heard of the perimeter rule. However, I am aware that after 9-11, there were probably concerns over widebodied jets over LGA? Correct me if I'm wrong.

The perimeter was introduced in 1984:

http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/frheft/FRHeft05/FRH0508/FR0508c.htm

"To reduce the crush, under a “perimeter rule”, LGA has forbidden all long-haul flights to destinations over 2,400 kilometres away since 1984, except on Saturdays, when demand is somewhat weaker."

In 2001, they introduced "the slottery":

"Finally, on 31 January 2001, a new procedure known as a “slottery” was introduced"

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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
That's only half the answer because it doesn't explain why there is a perimeter rule to begin with. IIRC, the perimeter rule was established to combat heavy congestion at the airport. The irony of course is that it did nothing to combat congestion and continues to do nothing to reduce congestion because the real offenders of congestion are not the larger, less frequent transcon flights but the hundreds of short hop flights to/from LGA that fall well within the 1500mi perimeter.



Quoting Juventus (Reply 29):
Can you imagine if any airline was allowed to fly LGA-LAX all they wanted? who wouldn't jump on it???

IMHO the solution would be twofold - cap hourly slots at LGA and remove the perimeter rule. Those holding slots for shorter routes could either operate them on longer flights (with larger aircraft) or sell them to another airline that would want to.

I think that FAA should also look at limiting GA ops into LGA as well. At the moment, I believe, there are 2xhour for GA that are only used on an ad-hoc basis. Surely there would be benefits to both GA/Sked to separate them. (But perhaps this is OT?)
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 34):
Never really heard of the perimeter rule. However, I am aware that after 9-11, there were probably concerns over widebodied jets over LGA? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I do believe that Delta continued to fly various models of the 767 into LGA after 9/11, that act never really played a part in it. I know gates have been realigned, etc. at LGA, but remember, AA and UA ordered the DC10 because they wanted a large a/c for ORD-LGA. There was a time when both flew multiple widebody flights daily on that route, TWA may also have done it as part of it's hourly service on the route. EA operated the L1011 and A300 for years at LGA.

I think it's unlikely we'll see many widebody flights there again, if any. If the perimeter rule ever is relaxed, I'd say the 757 and 320 family would be the aircraft of choice for the airlines that opt to fly to the west coast as most twin aisle a/c are now allocated for international use.

Quoting Acey (Reply 38):
In terms of airspace congestion, I would think that if LGA opened up for the west coast, the number of seats from EWR and JFK would be slightly reduced. The planes would have to come from somewhere.

Makes sense. More so from the JFK perspective IMO.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting ANother (Reply 40):
IMHO the solution would be twofold - cap hourly slots at LGA and remove the perimeter rule.

Exactly. Get rid of the stupid perimeter rule and let the market decide how best to use those slots. It's been proven that the perimeter rule has done nothing to stop congestion at LGA.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting ANother (Reply 40):
IMHO the solution would be twofold - cap hourly slots at LGA and remove the perimeter rule.

What do you all think would happen to all the RJ flights in this situation? Or, to put it another way, which is more profitable:

1) service from LGA or DCA to tiny markets and very frequent service to larger East Coast markets; or
2) extensive transcontinental service from LGA or DCA, with less frequent service on larger a/c to East Coast markets and possibly no service to some of the tiny markets?

As someone who flies DCA-SEA with some regularity (and pays the high prices), and has no desire to make the arduous trek to IAD, I obviously hope option 2) would be more profitable.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:26 am

The congestion at LGA will go on as long as fuel is cheap enough to allow the present model of as many flights as possible with smaller planes. The A300 was conceived on the perception that this cheap-fuel-small-planes time would not last much longer... Well, it was at least 30 years ahead of its true time, but... That time may yet come.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 34):
Never really heard of the perimeter rule. However, I am aware that after 9-11, there were probably concerns over widebodied jets over LGA? Correct me if I'm wrong.



Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 28):

I think you are mistaken. AUA is served n/s via EWR only. OAG shows no airline offering nonstops from LGA.



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 30):
Seems that CO has dropped it's Aruba service.
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It seems to be off the timetables for the time being. I was able to, using the search engine on COntinental.com, find seats for later in the fall, so maybe its going seasonal.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:31 am

It would be nice to see US/HP get a perimeter exception to start LGA-PHX.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 46):
It would be nice to see US/HP get a perimeter exception to start LGA-PHX.

LGA does not have those kinds of perimeter exceptions.
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 39):
The [LGA] perimeter was introduced in 1984:

No one can find a 1500+ mile nonstop scheduled out of LGA before 1984, can they? (Except Denver, and except before 1951.)

Turns out FLL was another ungrandfathered city out of DCA, so (like MKC/MCI) it never got a jet nonstop until 1982. MIA, TPA and PBI were all grandfathered, and apparently ORL's grandfather status carried over to MCO.
 
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RE: Reason For No Flights From LGA To LAX/SFO?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 48):
No one can find a 1500+ mile nonstop scheduled out of LGA before 1984, can they? (Except Denver, and except before 1951.)

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

According to all the sources I can find, the perimeer rule at LGA was introduced in 1984.

I am not competent to say why it was introduced, beyond what I have read. I wasn't living in the US then, and I don't know all the factors that contributed to the decision.

mariner

[Edited 2007-09-02 22:51:56]
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