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It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:50 pm

British Airways launched its new Club World product in Sydney today. While many of the luxury features are extremely appealing, it looks as if the seating configuration could be one of the most claustrophobic in the air today. I mean, it's bad enough to be stuck in a tube to 24 hours between Australia and the UK let alone being squeezed into a "self-contained travel space".

What do you think? Luxury or solitary confinement?

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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:55 pm

I don't get how the window seat gets out...
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:03 pm

I dont want to be the fat guy having to sit at the window...
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:22 pm

I just say: "No way, BA!"
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:41 pm

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 1):
I don't get how the window seat gets out...

There's a retractable partition between the two seats. You can get out but you have to step over the legs of your travel partner. I imagine that this would be rather tricky if they were in a deep sleep. Wouldn't want to be in a hurry to get to the bathroom, that's for sure.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:06 pm

It may come as a surprise but this is actually rather spacious, and it is somewhat easier to get out of the seat compared to many other business classes.

There is also enough room for a person of ample proportions (think 60" waist") to fit into the seat, albeit snugly.
The main thing about the BA product is that pictures can be quite misleading, once someone has flown on it they tend to change their minds.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting Peh (Reply 4):
There's a retractable partition between the two seats. You can get out but you have to step over the legs of your travel partner.

The retractable partition (privacy screen) between the two seats has absolutely nothing to do with getting out of the window seat. The footrest folds and there's a gap that you go through to exit the seat into the aisle. If the aisle-seat is in bed mode, you have to step over the footrest, which is the same as stepping over a footrest in a conventional forward-facing seating arrangement.

I've flown in the seats, and they're wider (retractable armrests) and more comfortable and much more private than the old Club World seats.

You should try them before criticizing them....

Additionally, a search will reveal many previous threads about these new seats.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:41 pm

this has been discussed ad nauseam on other threads and the consensus of those of us who have flown this is that it is a very good product indeed - head and shoulders above any other J class with the possible exception of the various herringbone options nowadays.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:52 pm

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6):
The retractable partition (privacy screen) between the two seats has absolutely nothing to do with getting out of the window seat.

My mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 5):
The main thing about the BA product is that pictures can be quite misleading, once someone has flown on it they tend to change their minds.

This photo is very misleading. I've flown BA in this cabin. It was wonderful!

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6):
You should try them before criticizing them....

Too right!

Quoting BA380 (Reply 7):
this has been discussed ad nauseam on other threads and the consensus of those of us who have flown this is that it is a very good product indeed - head and shoulders above any other J class with the possible exception of the various herringbone options nowadays.

Too right twice! I estimated I had better than 4 times the space of a coach passenger, 3 times that of the old business class. Being able to sleep flat makes a world of difference.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:01 am

i'm really hoping it is the angle of the picture that makes it look so crampt, because i don't think any passenger would actually want a seat that small
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 10):
i'm really hoping it is the angle of the picture that makes it look so crampt, because i don't think any passenger would actually want a seat that small

The new CW seat is roomier than BA's old/current version, which happens to be one of the most popular business class products available.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:11 am

Can't wait to try new CW, booked on BA269 Nov 4th and coming back on BA268 Nov9th....... Big grin

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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:42 am

I flew to SFO on an aircraft with the new CW config a few weeks ago and will be flying back to LHR today. Unfortunately, I wasn't in Club, I was in First so couldnt try it  Sad Never thought I'd say that.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting DavidT (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, I wasn't in Club, I was in First so couldnt try it

I had the same problem flying back from IAD very recently!  wink 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 14):
Quoting DavidT (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, I wasn't in Club, I was in First so couldnt try it

I had the same problem flying back from IAD very recently!

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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:01 am

The make-over is too white, I miss the blue tones of the cabin.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:05 am

It is rather frustrating that this thread has been picked up in such negative tones!!

Imagine posting to say that the A380 looks small based on a photo (yes, it will be only as big as the photo!)
It is not new news, the seat is indeed new but the cabin footprint is identical to the "old" new club world and has been flying the globe successfully for 8 years now. It was the worlds first and (fpr a while) only fully flat bed in business class.
The photo does not do justice. It is a large enough space (as others have said the "new" new seat is a wider bed) and it is very private which is exactly what the vast majority of business travellers want.

I would put it in the top few in the world frankly.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:18 am

Having flown the new Club World BKK-LHR, I'd say it's actually quite comfortable, even with the seat completely inoperative! It was jammed upright and the IFE wasn't really working to say the least, but it is still a vast improvement on the last Club World.

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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:31 am

While privacy is great, I think that appears rather enclosed and not at all airy or open feeling. Perhaps someone who has tried the new club world can tell me if this is the case?

personally, I'm a bit confused at to why more airlines aren't going with a New Zealand/Virgin/Air Canada style business class set up with the angled seats. I got to experience one of those on an AC 767... the leg room is stunning, very comfortable, a sense of privacy, especially when reclined, yet when upright, you still get a sense for the cabin being very open and airy. then again, my favorite business seat is still the skybed on Singapore.

out of curiousity, does this new seat allow BA to fit greater or fewer business seats on the aircraft?

also, I've never been in a rear facing aircraft seat, how does that compare?
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:45 am

It looks cozy. The only thing that gets me is that the window seat faces backwards. Is it awkward or do you just get used to it?
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 3):
I just say: "No way, BA!"

It's so awful that UA is using a similar configuration, except all forward-facing and slightly offset.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 20):
It looks cozy. The only thing that gets me is that the window seat faces backwards. Is it awkward or do you just get used to it?

All depends on the person.....it can feel strange on take-off and landing, but doesn't feel any different from forward facing seats. I personally love the rear facing seats.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 19):
While privacy is great, I think that appears rather enclosed and not at all airy or open feeling. Perhaps someone who has tried the new club world can tell me if this is the case?

It feels like any other seat would, lots of space and very private without being too enclosed. Probably more open if you are on the aisle seats. I'm not a fan of the VS/NZ angled seats, simply cause of the angle away from the windows and all facing in. And it makes it difficult when travelling with others. The BA style, you can face each other for a conversation, but if seated next to a stranger, can use the privacy screen, so seems the best of both options. But that is my personal preference.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:31 am

I would have thought Sydney would have the new Club World product long before now.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:33 am

Obvisouly anyone who says no way BA or I'll never fly up there, hasn't ever flown up there with BA before. I fly anywhere from 4-7 times a year with BA in J and it's amazing! Great comfort and excellent service. I'm 6'4'' and 235 lbs. So I'm not a small boy either. I'm not disappointed whatsoever.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 19):
I think that appears rather enclosed and not at all airy or open feeling. Perhaps someone who has tried the new club world can tell me if this is the case?

Not closed in at all. Remember, this is in a widebody so you have a high ceiling above, and the window for light as well.
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Quoting Bok269 (Reply 20):
The only thing that gets me is that the window seat faces backwards. Is it awkward or do you just get used to it?

I thought that the first time, however, the normal recline angle makes it very comfortable with no sense of falling forward on take off. On landing you don't have the usual falling forward either, even with heavy braking as you are facing rearward.

Between the seat and BA's usual great crew attitude, it's a Five Star experience.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:10 am

The photo is actually a very bad one, because of the angle it has been taken at.

The seat is actually wider and more roomy than the old seat. I have just come back from SYD in one. It was much more comfortable than the seat I had on the QF flight on the way out. Also I am 6fy 3 and atleast my legs dont dangle over the edge as they do on VS.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:39 am

Its actually done the SYD route a few times before the so called launch. And also its the same config as old club world, not alot of difference, other than a new seat.

Thats been them BA config for a long time, and there is not alot of difference.

Its a great config, and love flying it, Im not just saying that because I work for em, I lreally do like it, as do our freq flyers. Otherwise there would be no money coming in
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 19):
out of curiousity, does this new seat allow BA to fit greater or fewer business seats on the aircraft?

The same report announcing the launch (see below) also says that BA have added 14 extra seats to Club World.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/ba-a...ouch/2007/09/03/1188783131515.html
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:51 am

Agree with most of the positive comments. However I find the seats 'wobble' in turbulence, when someone walks down the aisle, or when the pax in the adjacent seat moves. On one overnight flight from IAD it was enough to prevent me from sleeping. Since being able to sleep is the reason I get my company to pay more, this has the effect of encouraging me to use others. This, combined with the absolute service failure at LHR, means that I fly BA when there isn't an acceptable choice.

While this is reported as being fixed I experienced it as recently as Sunday night LHR-HKG.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 20):
The only thing that gets me is that the window seat faces backwards. Is it awkward or do you just get used to it?

I always have a window seat when I fly J on BA. Never been a problem for me (other than getting very confused on the moving map till I remembered I was actually on the opposite side of the plane - I had had a few glasses of wine by then!)  champagne   drunk 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 20):

Take off and Landing are of course weird, but I actually had a better flight going backwards then forwards. Prob just me making things up, but i had fun, and seemed more refreshed
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:25 am

Do you take everything posted here at face value??

BA ONCW was fantastic, NNCW I have unfortunately only been in FIRST. Such a shame.

It's a bit funny all the idiots here ate claiming this and that??? I have only been in F but it was superb BA F as usual.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Peh (Reply 28):
The same report announcing the launch (see below) also says that BA have added 14 extra seats to Club World.

From comments here and on FlyerTalk BA now has 3 configs on their B747s. Hi-J, mid-J and Low-J. Don't believe F changes but J/W/Y configs differ. Assume BA are putting a higher config 747 on the SYD route.

Also introduction of this on B777s has been delayed pending certification of the seats.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:37 am

Doesn't Ethiad have a forward facing but slightly offset business class seat, which enables them to do 2-4-2 seating on their A330/340s in business class, and still manage to be comfortable? I'd much prefer that, than face the wrong way compared to the travel of the aircraft, which I believe you'd have to do if you want the window seat on BA Club World.


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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:41 am

It's really a product you need to try. I flew NCW from YVR the other day and I just loved the privacy it offered. I had the two middle seats and it felt like my own little suite in the middle of the air! The pictures don't really do justice to it.

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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:50 am

Check it out on the BA web-site (Although they don't mention the wobble)
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 34):
I'd much prefer that, than face the wrong way compared to the travel of the aircraft,

After you first takeoff and landing you will never notice the difference.

I believe the lighter colors in the new cabin help it feel more spacious when compared to the original flat bed Club World.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:52 pm

Really dont't understand what is making this product so popular, you might lie flat, but sit like in a sardine can. Also I really don't want to sit, facing backwards. A normal premium configuration in a B772 or B744 for Business is 2-3-2 BA has 2-4-2. No thanks Big grin
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 38):
Really dont't understand what is making this product so popular, you might lie flat, but sit like in a sardine can. Also I really don't want to sit, facing backwards. A normal premium configuration in a B772 or B744 for Business is 2-3-2 BA has 2-4-2. No thanks

It sounds to me that you haven't tried it yet. Although I've yet to sample NEW Club, the backward facing seat on the old' club was and is great. You hardly notice the direction you're going in/facing, except for take off and landing.

I for one like the window seat, especially if travelling alone. True, the stepping-over issue can be a minor inconvenience, but it doesn't spoil the overall experience.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 38):
Really dont't understand what is making this product so popular, you might lie flat, but sit like in a sardine can. Also I really don't want to sit, facing backwards. A normal premium configuration in a B772 or B744 for Business is 2-3-2 BA has 2-4-2. No thanks

Again this is clearly a comment from someone who hasn't tried the product. The seat width is essentially the same as other airlines J-class products, and manages to fit more seats in due to the yin-yang layout of the seats. There really is no such thing as a 'normal premium configuration', it's up to each airline to decide what works for them....as such, carriers like VS and NZ have 1-2-1 based on the angle of their seats. UA is currently installing a product similiar to BA, with the same 2-4-2 config. So unless you try it, don't go claiming that it is a 'sardine can'. There is, as pointed out a few times now, plenty of space around each seat.
 
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 22):
All depends on the person.....it can feel strange on take-off and landing, but doesn't feel any different from forward facing seats. I personally love the rear facing seats.

The rear facing window seats are a nice novelty - however, at least on the old version of the seat, you could see the aisle pax in the row "behind you" quite clearly. The guy in front of me kept looking at me and it was quite annoying. The stepping over the legs thing isn't so bad - it's just the same as stepping over anyone else when you're in a J business seat when it's in bed mode. You need to be careful, and to hang on.
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RE: It's A Small (BA Club) World, After All...

Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 41):
The stepping over the legs thing isn't so bad - it's just the same as stepping over anyone else when you're in a J business seat when it's in bed mode.

It is actually much easier to get out of the BA window (or center) seats even when the aisle seat is in flat bed mode than to get out of the window seat in most of the old-style reclining seat with legrest layouts. In those layouts, unless you're in a bulkhead row, if the aisle seat passenger and passengers in the row in front are all fully reclined, you are often virtually trapped if you're in the window seat without waking the passenger next to you and asking him/her to get up so you can leave your seat.

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