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Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:32 am

TACA will introduce non-stop service between Oakland and San Salvador, El Salvador on 16 November 2007:

TA 564 SAL 1910-2233 OAK MoWeSa
TA 565 OAK 0030-0750 SAL TuThSu
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:47 am

Hmm.. somewhat odd move considering TACA has a relatively small presence at SFO. Surprising they would split their Bay Area ops.

In somewhat related news the Director of Marketing for LAWA in an interview during August confirmed ONT was in talks with TACA to commence services. This follows Mayor Villaragosa's Central America trade mission earlier in the year which included visits with TACA officials.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:42 am

I was surprised for this notice. San Francisco metropolitan area does not seem to support additional services to SAL. TA has been operating no more than two daily SFO-SAL and vice versa (one only flight sometimes) deploying the 320.
Likewise, OAK has limited international flights.
UA flies to OAK then I guess the agreement between UA and TA will apply in some routes even though the presence of UA is much better in SFO than OAK.
Regards.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
In somewhat related news the Director of Marketing for LAWA in an interview during August confirmed ONT was in talks with TACA to commence services. This follows Mayor Villaragosa's Central America trade mission earlier in the year which included visits with TACA officials.

I thought that was already confirmed?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
I thought that was already confirmed?

Back in May, the quote from the LA Times was

Villaraigosa also met with the head of Taca Airlines and announced an agreement for Latin America's third-largest air carrier to establish new service between San Salvador and Ontario International Airport, part of the mayor's plan to regionalize air traffic in the Los Angeles area.

However since the airline has yet to formally announce anything, nor file with the DOT.

From the sounds of it and mentioned in the interview with LAWA's marketing director they are in some sort of talks with the airline still. Could very well be in regards to what financial incentives TACA could avail themselves to (landing fee reduction/waivers, free advertising etc..)
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
However since the airline has yet to formally announce anything, nor file with the DOT.

TACA does not need to file with DOT to open new USA routes.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:47 am

Does this mean SFO will not get a second flight? I know seasonally, TACA flies to SFO two times a day. If I recall, the second flight goes straight to SJO.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:13 pm

TACA is committing suicide with a route like that! If you say that SFO cannot even support a 2nd flight, what is TACA doing in OAK? From Asia, I heard that OASIS Hong Kong wants to do HKG-OAK?!!! Is that true? Or is that a fantasy?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 7):
TACA is committing suicide with a route like that!

Suicide is a strong word no?

Are more central americans located closer to OAK than SFO?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
UA flies to OAK then I guess the agreement between UA and TA will apply in some routes

HOw many UA flights leave OAK between 1030PM and 1230AM?

Maybe this is a seasonal flight

[Edited 2007-09-04 05:38:39]
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:46 pm

Just checked on Amadeus, looks like it's true, but the best connection is still SFO from GUA
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 9):
HOw many UA flights leave OAK between 1030PM and 1230AM?

Nothing much of importance.

OAK-IAD departure, DEN-OAK and ORD-OAK arrivals

Certainly these and many other destinations can be connected to on UA via SFO or LAX instead.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:34 pm

Current operations SAL - SFO on TA:

TA 562.......SAL 18:50......SFO 23:35.........320......Fri, Sat, Sun
TA 560.......SAL 19:20......SFO 00:05+1.....320......Daily
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TA 563......SFO 01:00.......SAL 07:30........320......Sat, Sun, Mon
TA 561......SFO 01:20.......SAL 07:50........320......Daily

Will TA keep this schedule when SAL-OAK start?
Maybe TA would move TA562/TA563 to OAK keeping the same weekly operations to the Bay Area... Does somebody know that?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:04 pm

I would have loved to see Taca fly to SJC, but I still cannot see why they are moving to OAK. If they can only manage 2x daily from SFO, how can they manage an OAK flight as well? This is one of the wierder moves I've see, and I doubt this route will last long!

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 7):
I heard that OASIS Hong Kong wants to do HKG-OAK?!!! Is that true? Or is that a fantasy?

Not a fantasy, they are planning on OAK-HKG, and I would think it would do quite well, probably attract quite a few people looking for low fares to the east. It also does fit their sort of long-range-LCC format, operating from airports with smaller, perhaps more lucrative markets shall we say

They are also planning to run these destinations:

TXL-HKG
CGN-HKG
MXP-HKG
MDW or ORD (don't know which)-HKG
OAK-HKG
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:08 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
Certainly these and many other destinations can be connected to on UA via SFO or LAX instead.

I´m aware the code-share applies mainly from LAX where UA has plenty of connections as TA flies to GUA, SAL and SJO.
However, TA had requested with authorities to extend the agreement. I don´t know for sure if the Bay Area is included.

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Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
OAK-IAD departure, DEN-OAK and ORD-OAK arrivals

I don´t think that someone will fly: SAL-OAK-IAD or even ORD-OAK-SAL.
OAK seems to work as origin-destination on TA.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 13):
MDW or ORD (don't know which)-HKG
OAK-HKG

MDW cannot handle long-haul flights, it is O'Hare. They also recently changed their mind about Bay Area flights, and will go for SFO if they come to the Bay Area.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:29 pm

Are they loosing business to Mexicana? Are they trying to compete against Mexicana and their connections via Mexico?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:33 pm

Does anyone know how long Taca has been operating out of SFO?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:03 pm

We are facing the third split model from USA to Central America.
Southern Florida has been operating out from both FLL and MIA to some destinations in Central America by means of several carriers.
Likewise, New York City has both EWR and JFK flying to PTY by CO and CM respectively. Mind the upcoming services from JFK on DL to GUA, SJO, LIR and PTY.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:20 pm

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 13):
MDW or ORD (don't know which)-HKG

Good luck getting a 747-400 out of MDW!  Wink It'll be to ORD.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):

TACA does not need to file with DOT to open new USA routes.

Interesting... how come?

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 13):
MDW or ORD (don't know which)-HKG

Either would be amusing as hell-- as they'd splash down a few thousand miles short of HKG from MDW, and have a ballistic UA to deal with from ORD.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 20):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):

TACA does not need to file with DOT to open new USA routes.

Interesting... how come?

They have broad route authority between the US and all of Central America except Panama.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:23 am

Um... interesting move by TA, I have to say... I don't feel there's that much traffic to the Bay Area, but only time will tell. As long as it bnngs fares down Big grin (we can hope, can't we?)
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:31 am

Hello all:

Glad to see a new airline try OAK out as a destination. OAK-SAL will do OK. There is a good Salvadorean population in Oakland. Also on the Oasis HKG, why would they move to SFO when on the Oasis website they still list OAK on the map.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
In somewhat related news the Director of Marketing for LAWA in an interview during August confirmed ONT was in talks with TACA to commence services.

An alternative service to Los Angeles Metropolitan Area looks more affordable than the Bay Area.
TA supplies up to three daily LAX-SAL sometimes, altogether with UA and AA. It also is aware that AA deploys the 757 as TA the 321 (one flight only) in such route.
Just compare with the figures in SFO to Central America.


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Quoting 28L28L (Reply 17):
Does anyone know how long Taca has been operating out of SFO?

If I remember correctly, the former TA started to fly to SFO during the 767era.


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Quoting SFO777200LR (Reply 6):
Does this mean SFO will not get a second flight? I know seasonally, TACA flies to SFO two times a day. If I recall, the second flight goes straight to SJO.

Probably it was an aircraft serving SJO-SAL-SFO and using the same flight number all the way.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:32 am

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 23):
Glad to see a new airline try OAK out as a destination. OAK-SAL will do OK. There is a good Salvadorean population in Oakland. Also on the Oasis HKG, why would they move to SFO when on the Oasis website they still list OAK on the map.

I haven't seen it listed as new service on the Oakland Airport Website. Perhaps, it's just a matter of time for the Port to catch up. In any case, it's good to see OAK get additional international service.

With the new TA service, I wonder if we'll get Lacsa service to Costa Rica a couple of times per week eventually. Suntrips was pretty successful in their Costa Rica service before the company closed shop. Just dreaming here.

Oakjam...I don't if you noticed, but they are currently renovating the ramp from about gate 8 to gate 12, leaving only two gates on that side of the airport open. USAirways and American are using gates in T2 (the two closest to T1) for now.

The new T2 extention looks nice!

If and when Oasis HK Airways announces service to OAK, I plan to be there on opening day.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:43 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
TACA will introduce non-stop service between Oakland and San Salvador, El Salvador on 16 November 2007:

TA 564 SAL 1910-2233 OAK MoWeSa
TA 565 OAK 0030-0750 SAL TuThSu

Where did you get your information, by the way? I wasn't able to validate this on the Taca website...unless I missed something.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:10 am

How many intl gates does OAK have? I thought only gate 1 could handle intl arrivals.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 27):
How many intl gates does OAK have? I thought only gate 1 could handle intl arrivals.

Gate 3 is also linked to the international area. Mexicana uses it all the time. There's also a doorway marked Gate 1A that can be used if accessed via airstairs. Back in the 1990's, Aerocancun used it frequently while Martinair used the jetway.

More recently, I think Allegro and Azteca have used it.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 20):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):

TACA does not need to file with DOT to open new USA routes.

Interesting... how come?

They have broad route authority between the US and all of Central America except Panama.

Having the authority doesn't mean they can just open it up immediately. They still have to amend their operating certificate, and I believe do proving runs for the FAA. It's not the same amount of paperwork as some carriers face, but it's still some stuff they need to take care of.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 29):

Having the authority doesn't mean they can just open it up immediately. They still have to amend their operating certificate, and I believe do proving runs for the FAA. It's not the same amount of paperwork as some carriers face, but it's still some stuff they need to take care of.

No, TACA does not need to any of this. To open a new route, all they need to do is open it. They are an established carrier to the US and their operating certificate gives them broad Central America-USA route authority. They can open any US-Central America route, sans one from Panama, overnight if they wanted do. There is absolutely no need for a proving run.

That's the magic of broad route authority: no paperwork. It is essentially Open Skies. Similarly, US airlines established in Central America like American, that have broad authority to fly to Central American countries, and do not have to go through paperwork in opening new routes there.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
TACA will introduce non-stop service between Oakland and San Salvador, El Salvador on 16 November 2007

Have you got info about yields between California and Central America?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 31):
Have you got info about yields between California and Central America?

I dont know about yields, but considering 1 Million + Salvadoreans in LA - i would think CA is a healthy market.

Not sure about Northern CA though
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
TACA will introduce non-stop service between Oakland and San Salvador, El Salvador on 16 November 2007:

TA 564 SAL 1910-2233 OAK MoWeSa
TA 565 OAK 0030-0750 SAL TuThSu

Yes, indeedy!!! TA will be flying to OAK as of November. It's reflected on Taca's website, using A319's.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:15 am

Would the reason behind TA flying to both SFO and OAK be that they want to test how the passengers react to OAK and depending on that, move all TA Bay area flights from SFO to OAK?, I say so since one should take into account that TA does have some close links with UA and UA might fly SFO-Centralamerica on UA's own metal w/ TA codeshare.

On these forums I have seen so many times arguments against TA (or CM) flying to 2 airports in the same metropolitan area (MIA and FLL, JFK and EWR, LAX and ONT, SFO and OAK) so I just can not imagine the reasons behind those TA OAK flights, other than there is some kind of hidden agreement between TA and UA; UA might force TA out of SFO and into OAK because SFO is a UA hub.
Remember what happened between CM and CO regarding PTY-NYC flights, CM flies from PTY (CM hub) to JFK and CO PTY to EWR (its hub).
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:20 am

Well I've heard rumblings again of TA's return to MSY. One of the new FL employees in MSY used to work for TA, and they called her recently asking if she would want her old job back since they are looking at returning to the market. I sure hope so. The airport needs to get at least one international flight back.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 34):
Would the reason behind TA flying to both SFO and OAK be that they want to test how the passengers react to OAK and depending on that, move all TA Bay area flights from SFO to OAK?, I say so since one should take into account that TA does have some close links with UA and UA might fly SFO-Centralamerica on UA's own metal w/ TA codeshare.

I think it is just a carrier trying to expand its market share. I don't think UA would force an air carrier out of a particular airport. UA flies a few routes from SFO with partner airlines. IE: UA and OZ to INC, UA and LH to FRA. If UA wanted to start a route to C. America, they would just start it. MX flies to all 3 bay area airports with no problems. I think TA is thinking the same thing.

One thing for sure, OAK has to come up with a better FIS area, that place is a disgrace.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:31 pm

The FIS area at OAK hasn't changed a whole lot since the 1970's. I have a tendency to agree...OAK needs improvements there.

But look at this way. I don't think OAK ever intended on being a significant contender in the international market. A few charters here and there. But OAK is getting more international. What's going to happen if and when Oasis HK starts service???
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:11 pm

I'd think SJC would be a better destination for TA over OAK? Any thoughts?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 38):
I'd think SJC would be a better destination for TA over OAK? Any thoughts?

I don't know that much about TA @ SJC, but for another international airline looking to expand its Bay Area operations, surely SJC could pose a better option than OAK and far better than SMF.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 39):
don't know that much about TA @ SJC, but for another international airline looking to expand its Bay Area operations, surely SJC could pose a better option than OAK and far better than SMF.

Why would SJC be a better choice than OAK??? Frankly, I am more than surprised that TACA would even consider OAK in the first place. But OAK is better centralized within the Bay Area and close to the city of San Francisco.

I think someone had mentioned that OAK was closer to Central American communities than SJC.

Because SJC has a better FIS facility doesn't necessarily mean that it's a better choice.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 40):
Why would SJC be a better choice than OAK???

If an airline already flies to SFO, Would SJC be a better choice than OAK?
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 35):
Well I've heard rumblings again of TA's return to MSY.

It is more than a rumor. just give some additional time.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 36):
If UA wanted to start a route to C. America, they would just start it

In my opinion, it´s hard to believe if UA would fly nonstops to Central America from SFO for nowadays.
UA supplies some operations from SFO to Central America with layover in LAX. They utilize their own planes all the way.
UA flies LAX-GUA and LAX-SAL.
 
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RE: Taca To Fly OAK-SAL

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 43):
In my opinion, it?s hard to believe if UA would fly nonstops to Central America from SFO for nowadays.

 checkmark  Agree.

Instead I could even see United withdraw from its CenAm flying as the relationship with TACA grows particularly if TA becomes a Star partner. While UA has been running the flights since the early 90s, they are far from being "core" flying to the UA network.

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