Jetblue To YYZ

avrocomet · Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:58 pm

You heard it here first, YYZ is the next International destination for Jetblue.

MattRB · Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:29 pm

Corroborating link to source?

yowza · Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Avrocomet (Thread starter):
You heard it here first, YYZ is the next International destination for Jetblue.

I hope you're not pulling my leg.

YOWza

Tbird · Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:38 pm

Could you provide somewhat of a source? I wonder if AC will respond with a JFK to YYZ???

[Edited 2007-09-07 15:39:53]

avrocomet · Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:39 pm

Not pulling legs and the source well; they were at YYZ this week. Start up by the end of the year.

MattRB · Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:46 pm

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 4):
the source well; they were at YYZ this week. Start up by the end of the year.

Guess that would make you one of TPTB at the GTAA then? If they're planning to fly into the NYC area, good luck. Pretty saturated already from YYZ.

I'll wait for the press release from B6 - but I won't be holding my breath

avrocomet · Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:21 pm

Hey MattRB I take offence to the TPTB comment. In response to that the answer is no I am not TPTB at or from the GTAA.

Any person with some basic logic sees things, asks questions and puts two and two together to get a conclusive answer.

FWAERJ · Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:29 am

Given YYZ's outrageous fees, will B6 have to price their fares higher than normal to offset YYZ's costs?

Still, if true, I expect JFK-YYZ and BOS-YYZ as well.

0newair0 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:31 am

Makes since as some (1/2 maybe?) of thier "non-line" maintenance is done by Air Canada.

[Edited 2007-09-07 17:51:20]

ERJ170 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:40 am

Hmm.. I wonder how long before jetBlue opens EYW?

lightsaber · Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting Avrocomet (Thread starter):
You heard it here first, YYZ is the next International destination for Jetblue.

I hope its true. 0NEWAIR0 has a plausible rationale.

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 4):
they were at YYZ this week.

Yea... but B6 talks with two to three times as many airports as they start service with. This is typical of any expanding airline. I hope its true and they go nuts expanding to Canada. Wink

Lightsaber

0newair0 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:58 am

If my rationale is correct, I'd look for Vancouver to follow close behind Toronto.

txkf2010 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:05 am

Probably wouldn't happen anytime soon but i'd love to see YYC and/or YEG

Tornado82 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 9):
Hmm.. I wonder how long before jetBlue opens EYW?

Never, until they have a plane capable of it. The 190 would take enormous hits to about anywhere past FLL, and forget about the A320.

mtb555 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
The 190 would take enormous hits to about anywhere past FLL

Not a huge leap distance-wise, but they were operating a mid-morning JFK-NAS on the 190 during the summer months. They reduced the JFK-NAS frequency to 1x daily this week, but the 2nd of 3 daily flights was on the 190.

Cubsrule · Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 14):
Not a huge leap distance-wise, but they were operating a mid-morning JFK-NAS on the 190 during the summer months. They reduced the JFK-NAS frequency to 1x daily this week, but the 2nd of 3 daily flights was on the 190.

It's a runway length issue at EYW, not a performance issue with the 190 (per se).

Indio66 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:24 am

With the strong CN$, I'll bet that they could make a boat load on flights down to FLL this winter.

GoBlue · Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:54 am

If this happens look for an AC shuttle type service from YYZ to NYC on the E190 or E175. There is tons of seats on these routes already, and AC is getting more capacity with the E190 coming and needs a place to put it!

Cheers

mtb555 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
It's a runway length issue at EYW, not a performance issue with the 190 (per se).

oh ok, i was talking more in regards to the range of the a/c, which is what i thought Tornado was referring to.

propilotjw · Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 18):
oh ok, i was talking more in regards to the range of the a/c, which is what i thought Tornado was referring to.

The E190 is more than capable to fly from JFK-EWY (1043nm) and YYZ-EWY (1150nm). The E190 currently flies full loads BOS-AUS (1476nm). It's a great a/c for JetBlue's long "thinner" routes.

EWY is not a range issue for JetBlue, it's a runway length issue (4801ft x 100ft)

Rcardinale · Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:19 am

Any press release yet?

sebring · Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 4):
Not pulling legs and the source well; they were at YYZ this week. Start up by the end of the year.

Not a good time to start if they aren't selling tickets already. The market for JetBlue here would be Florida and other beaches. September always sees a big upsurge in booking activity.

[Edited 2007-09-07 21:34:31]

AF340 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:38 am

Jetblue @ YYZ... Could It Happen? (by AF340 Aug 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=3582686
I told you! I really hope this is true!

AF340

maiznblu_757 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting AF340 (Reply 22):
I told you!

You didn't tell anyone anything with that post. I gather you were asking a question. cheeky

Scotland1979 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:31 am

Yes, it is true that jetBlue is planning to come to YYZ. I got the news last Spring and I was not know the date at that time. Glad to see jetBlue coming to YYZ very soon.

MCOflyer · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:42 am

I only hope the sources are not on airliners.net. Good luck B6. If the timings are just right then yes it will be a money maker. If they are screwed up, pull out ASAP as Air Canada will beat them.

Hunter

yow · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 8):
Makes since as some (1/2 maybe?) of thier "non-line" maintenance is done by Air Canada.

Yeah but isn't most of that done in YWG?

Quoting Goblue (Reply 17):
If this happens look for an AC shuttle type service from YYZ to NYC on the E190 or E175. There is tons of seats on these routes already, and AC is getting more capacity with the E190 coming and needs a place to put it!

AC already operate almost hourly to LGA from YYZ and have been for years. A lot of those E190s are being put onto new domestic routes right now as well as some weekend sun flying coming up soon.

Ya B6 could probably do very well adding a bunch of Canada-Florida service, not just from YYZ. I wonder if when B6 visited YYZ that they also took a ride down the 403 to YHM?...a LCC airline for a LCC airport.

InTheSky74 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:45 am

I sincerely doubt this is true. The fees to fly into YYZ are way too high...

SANFan · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:48 am

Finally some competition for AC on the SAN-YYZ route! Just kidding... I think. Wink

Who knows what Blue may Due. However, just in case, I hope they learn from AC and don't try using the 190s to the Left Coast.

bb

AA767LOVER · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:53 am

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
Finally, NO more need to fly to BUF first, and then bus it to YYZ. Currently, Eagle and Comair operate from JFK to YYZ (ER3/4 and CRJ respectively). But IF it is true, will it start with E-190? Or 320? Would love to see it.
Also HOW LOW will the fare go? This is a real problem especially with YYZ being Canada's most expensive airport, and according to an edition of Airports of the World mag, also the world's most expensive airport. Ever wonder why I fly through BUF/ROC? Even if they offer it, the price should be more decent. I was looking at a one way
on my home return, and AA is going at $237 plus tax from JFK-YYZ. Not cheap, but if it gets me my Advantage points, why not?

AA767LOVER · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:55 am

If they don't fly, I will be oh so bluuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I will sing . . . Blue Moon

flyyul · Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:17 am

Source please.

Is JetBlue really going to enter the Toronto-JFK market, where Delta/Eagle already are? Unless they intend to fly Fort Lauderdale, which is already very well served, with 3 competitors no less

I'd be cautious if I was B6, especially with the exorbitant landing fees, and taxes on tickets purchased.

FLYACYYZ · Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 29):
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
Finally, NO more need to fly to BUF first, and then bus it to YYZ.

Don't expect BUF-JFK prices on the alleged YYZ-JFK route. B6 will be flying into the worlds most expensive airport, and the cost of operating here will be reflected accordingly. Prices will be competitively adjusted as they go head to head with AC/AA/DL & Porter out of YTZ. It's not inconceivable that the cost of tax and service charges will exceed the actual fare unlike flights departing BUF. WS had a $17.00 fare between YYZ & YOW/YUL the other day and the taxes were $46.00 each way.

lnglive1011yyz · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:07 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
Given YYZ's outrageous fees, will B6 have to price their fares higher than normal to offset YYZ's costs?

Can we finally drop the whole "outrageous Fees at YYZ" crap?

Let's do a quick run down of all the airlines that 'pay' the 'outrageous' fees at YYZ:

American
Delta
US
Air Canada
Westjet
Northwest
Aeroflot
Air France
Jet Airways (just started)
Air India
Etihad
Air Jamaica
Air Transat
Skyservice
KLM
Alitalia
British Airways
Lufthansa
Malev
Martinair
LTU
Austrian
Canjet
Carribean
Cathay
Cubana
Czech
Korean
Lot
Pakistan
United
Sunwing
Sata
Aerosvit
Thomas Cook
UPS
Fed Ex
My Travel
Zoom
EL AL
and Emirates starting October 29th.

The costs may be exorbitant, but people are paying them.... in droves.......

How many of these airlines fly to other cities in Canada? (and before I get attacked.. I am aware that a lot of them do.. not the point....)

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END OF RANT

I think bringing B6 here would be great competition, because it adds just another way for people to get OUT of Toronto to go somewhere.. Any time you add healthy good competition, it's good!

1011yyz.

YYZatcboy · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:22 am

It's true many airlines still fly here, but it is an absolute fact that at least YYZ pays the most land rent fees to the gvmt, of any airport in canada.

Good for B6. I might get down to NYC to see some more shows now Big grin

flyyul · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:32 am

You pay landing fees if there is a viable opportunity for profit... who can deny that?

My question pertains more to the network aspect, and what destinations B6 expects to serve out of YYZ.

-JFK is not a good local market by virtue of competition
-JFK is not a very ideal geographic hub.. where does B6 expect to connect pax?

The only thing I can imagine, is Florida service. That's a tough crowded marketplace.

DABTH747 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 6):

sorry but what is TPTB?

MattRB · Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:43 pm

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 6):
Hey MattRB I take offence to the TPTB comment. In response to that the answer is no I am not TPTB at or from the GTAA.

Well, no offence was meant. I was just speculating as to your occupation, since you posted this.

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 6):
Any person with some basic logic sees things, asks questions and puts two and two together to get a conclusive answer.

A visit from B6 to YYZ != commencement of service to YYZ. There is fault in your logic.

Rcardinale · Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:08 pm

I think that B6 should fly BOS-YVR. AC pulled out a while ago and all I can remember was the flight going out full with cargo every day and the A320 having a larger cargo hold than the 319 which AC ran on the route will be a better aircraft to run the route with. YYZ-Florida routes could also be profitable although there is alot of competition to FLL including many Canadian carriers Good luck B6

Cruiser · Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 35):
You pay landing fees if there is a viable opportunity for profit... who can deny that?

Also, in the overall costs of a flight, it would only be about 4%. On the shorter runs, because there is less fuel to purchase, perhaps it goes as high as 6-7%.

RP TPA · Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting DABTH747 (Reply 36):
sorry but what is TPTB?

The powers that be......ie: the bigwigs

longhauler · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting Rcardinale (Reply 38):
I think that B6 should fly BOS-YVR. AC pulled out a while ago and all I can remember was the flight going out full with cargo every day

No one knows better than AC, (and UA), how much demand exists between BOS and YVR. If the demand warranted, there would be a flight.

The BOS-YVR flight started with CAIL using an A320, and it was timed to connect with Asian flights. As, CAIL was in Oneworld, there was a lot of feed from AA which had little Asian presence.. As AC is a UA partner, UA has its own tremendous Pacific network. Also, there is now so much more competition on Asian flights, that a stop in YVR is no longer competitive.

fly_yhm · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 33):
Can we finally drop the whole "outrageous Fees at YYZ" crap?

Let's do a quick run down of all the airlines that 'pay' the 'outrageous' fees at YYZ:

Nope because its true and the only reason all those airlines fly there is because they have no other choice.

spinkid · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:28 pm

I think this post has lost some credibility, what exactly is the source for this? jetBlue has been rumoured to got to YYZ for a long time now.

what would make that change?

MattRB · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 43):
I think this post has lost some credibility, what exactly is the source for this?

As mentioned above..

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 4):
the source well; they were at YYZ this week.

RP TPA · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:50 pm

Further to what was said earlier about AC not needing a BOS-YVR nonstop for trans-pacific feed, don't forget that unlike a few years ago, AC now flies to NRT/HKG/PEK/PVG/ICN (seasonal) from YYZ. Therefore, passengers from the northeast can connect thru Toronto instead of Vancouver.

accargo · Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting Avrocomet (Thread starter):
You heard it here first, YYZ is the next International destination for Jetblue.

Quoting Avrocomet (Reply 4):
Not pulling legs and the source well; they were at YYZ this week. Start up by the end of the year.

How much would you be willing to bet? Who did they met with? How long were they here? Sorry, just too many unanswered questions to make it credible.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 29):
Also HOW LOW will the fare go?

Have you actually checked the added taxes that are incurred when departing Canada to the US? No way Jetblu can get around those and it still needs to make a profit in a very well served market. It will need to pay competitive wages to it's staff at YYZ in CDN dollars that are now more expensive for a US carrier. Don't expect the same price (or anything close to BUF prices) if by some miracle it does decide to fly into YYZ.

flyyul · Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 39):

Also, in the overall costs of a flight, it would only be about 4%. On the shorter runs, because there is less fuel to purchase, perhaps it goes as high as 6-7%.

And you pulled this number from ...... ?

lnglive1011yyz · Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Fly_yhm (Reply 42):
Nope because its true and the only reason all those airlines fly there is because they have no other choice.

That's bullcrap and you know it..

Why did Westjet VACATE en-masse, YHM?

There are wild-rumours the Purolator is going to be doing the same thing.. moving to YYZ.

So you tell me.. why would they fly there just because they have no other choice...'

If people are willing to pay it, it means there is a demand. Period.

1011yyz

fly_yhm · Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 48):
Why did Westjet VACATE en-masse, YHM?

Because they had no other choice YHM cant handle what Westjet wanted and has since done. NO OTHER CHOICE.

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 48):
There are wild-rumours the Purolator is going to be doing the same thing.. moving to YYZ.

Its exactly that a wild rumour just like this whole thread is.

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