Does Aviateca Still Exist As An Airline?

BOAC911 · Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:22 pm

Wondering whether Aviateca still exists as a company? Does the A319 with Guatemalan registration fly for that airline, or how exactly does tthe Grupo TACA arrangement work? I am planning on flying GUA-FRS before the end of the year. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

MEA-707 · Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:32 am

Aviateca is still a separate airline. They operate the Guatemalan registered ATR-42s and I guess the A-319 you mention on TACA flightnumbers, with TACA livery and inflight magazines.
I will fly tuesday 11 sept on TA704 San Pedro Sula-Guatemala City ´operated by Aviateca´ and yesterday I flew on a Shorts 360 of Islena, also in TACA colours.
I guess it´s sort of the same agreement as Regional and Britair for Air France, ASA etc for Delta etc.

skyyblue · Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Shorts 360 of Islena

I sure do miss flying those birds . La Ceiba- Guanaja, La Ceiba- Roatan. What route did you fly on the 360?

SJOtoLIR · Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting BOAC911 (Thread starter):
Does the A319 with Guatemalan registration fly for that airline, or how exactly does tthe Grupo TACA arrangement work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviateca

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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
I flew on a Shorts 360 of Islena, also in TACA colours.
I guess it´s sort of the same agreement as Regional and Britair for Air France

http://www.tacaregional.com/

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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Aviateca is still a separate airline

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupo_TACA

RICARIZA · Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:04 am

Wikipedia says that TACA flies to more than 50 countries? but I counted only 21....

aer · Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:29 am

Aviateca as an airline per se, no. TA only uses the GU certificates for national flights.

carmenlu15 · Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 4):
Wikipedia says that TACA flies to more than 50 countries? but I counted only 21....

You're right, I think it should be 50 destinations in 21 countries, actually...

Quoting Aer (Reply 5):
Aviateca as an airline per se, no. TA only uses the GU certificates for national flights.

I think a couple of the ATRs have Guatemalan registration; the A319 used for the FRS flights is N- registered, though.

BOAC911 · Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:49 am

Thanks, for the clarification. If GU's certificate is current and in use, then the company is still a legal entity.

miamix707 · Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:23 am

The only airline in Central America nowadays is basically TACA. Only one common livery (and a really boring one) for all these small airlines that are now TACA subsidiaries. The larger airlines like Nica, Aviateca and Lacsa don't even have any planes of their own, and for practical effects don't exist as separate airlines.

Copa is really Continental so no to me that doesn't count Wink

carmenlu15 · Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Miamix707 (Reply 8):
Copa is really Continental so no to me that doesn't count

No no no, you got it wrong... it's Co-pa-nen-tal Wink

LTU932 · Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting BOAC911 (Reply 7):
If GU's certificate is current and in use, then the company is still a legal entity.

The thing with GU is exactly the same as with LR. They only exist on paper (as a callsign, flightnumber, decals on the aircraft, flags other than the Peruvian or Salvadoran next to the N-registration) so TA can use their traffic rights.

Quoting Miamix707 (Reply 8):
The larger airlines like Nica, Aviateca and Lacsa don't even have any planes of their own, and for practical effects don't exist as separate airlines.

6Y apparently doesn't operate anymore, so we can rule them out of anything with regards to their part in TA. TA can still resurrect 6Y on paper if they want to restart a hub/focus city operation at MGA, however that seems unlikely.

aer · Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:54 am

Quoting BOAC911 (Reply 7):
If GU's certificate is current and in use, then the company is still a legal entity.

Correct, Aviateca S.A. still exist as a company here in Guatemala, but again, it's only for legal purposes.

SJOtoLIR · Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:01 pm

Quoting Miamix707 (Reply 8):
The larger airlines like Nica, Aviateca and Lacsa don't even have any planes of their own

Taca Peru still keeps two 319s registered on its own.
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...eg=1&field_fate=1&rpp=150&search=1

Aviateca even has one ATR-42. Registered as TG-MYH.
http://www.planesregister.com/aircraft/atr-113.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Aviateca-active-atr.htm

miamix707 · Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 9):
No no no, you got it wrong... it's Co-pa-nen-tal

Sweet. That could be a good title for a rap song or maybe a ghetto-oriented commercial like that one infamous Continental ad on a billboard that mentioned the words bling-bling.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
Taca Peru still keeps two 319s registered on its own.
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...eg=1&field_fate=1&rpp=150&search=1

Aviateca even has one ATR-42. Registered as TG-MYH.
http://www.planesregister.com/aircraft/atr-113.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/A...r.htm

Ok, the two A319s are N-registered and both regs end in the letters TA. Plus the 2nd one is now with Volaris. Are you giving the right link?

Aviateca having one ATR 42 with that reg ok I guess that's something. Still central America is TACA and will be TACA for a while probably. I even saw some old Convair in a TACA livery, I think it was from Sansa? can't remember right now. TACA really has some sort of self-cult personality there lol

Viscount724 · Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 9):
Quoting Miamix707 (Reply 8):
Copa is really Continental so no to me that doesn't count

No no no, you got it wrong... it's Co-pa-nen-tal

Most of CO's previous 49% ownership share of Copa has been sold off over the past couple of years, leaving CO with only 10% of Copa now.

LTU932 · Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:50 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 13):
Ok, the two A319s are N-registered and both regs end in the letters TA. Plus the 2nd one is now with Volaris. Are you giving the right link?

Aviateca having one ATR 42 with that reg ok I guess that's something. Still central America is TACA and will be TACA for a while probably. I even saw some old Convair in a TACA livery, I think it was from Sansa? can't remember right now. TACA really has some sort of self-cult personality there lol

Except for the Irish registered A320s (which are registered in Ireland for frequent ACMIs to CU), all Airbus aircraft in TA's fleet are registered in the United States, and there may only be very few left with N registrations that end with something other than TA.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 13):
I even saw some old Convair in a TACA livery, I think it was from Sansa? can't remember right now. TACA really has some sort of self-cult personality there lol

I don't think RZ ever had Convairs. AFAIK, before acquiring a fleet of Cessna Caravans, RZ was a longtime operator of the DC-3, and those DC-3s operated commercial domestic flights right until sometime in the late 90's.

EDIT: Typo

[Edited 2007-09-12 02:53:00]

miamix707 · Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
I don't think RZ ever had Convairs. AFAIK, before acquiring a fleet of Cessna Caravans, RZ was a longtime operator of the DC-3, and those DC-3s operated commercial domestic flights right until sometime in the late 90's.

It might not have been an old Convair but whatever it was looked like it lol. IIRC it was a low-wing prop plane. Anything in TACA colors that might fit this description?

mt99 · Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
leaving CO with only 10% of Copa now.

And COPA with a livery bordering on copyright violations Wink

SJOtoLIR · Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 13):
Ok, the two A319s are N-registered and both regs end in the letters TA. Plus the 2nd one is now with Volaris. Are you giving the right link?

I understood the N473TA is nowadays operated by Volaris and leased from Taca Peru.

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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
I don't think RZ ever had Convairs. AFAIK, before acquiring a fleet of Cessna Caravans, RZ was a longtime operator of the DC-3, and those DC-3s operated commercial domestic flights right until sometime in the late 90's.

RZ also utilized CASA C-212 Aviocar altogether with the DC-3 and before the Cessna Grand Caravan era, as far as I know.
Lacsa operated the Convair backward 30 years for domestic operations. The photo is shown on the database.
Isn't it the plane that was referring for?

Just for fun: Where have the rest of the ATRs been registered? Smile

LTU932 · Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
Where have the rest of the ATRs been registered?

Most of those I've seen were registered in Honduras (HR-***).

SJOtoLIR · Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:38 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 6):
I think a couple of the ATRs have Guatemalan registration

TG-MYH and TG-RYM.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
Most of those I've seen were registered in Honduras (HR-***).

HR-IAX and HR-IAY.

miamix707 · Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 17):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
leaving CO with only 10% of Copa now.

And COPA with a livery bordering on copyright violations

And bordering on the terribly boring and almost ugly.

It's time for COPA to get a nice new identity (one that isn't blue). The old red/yellow would do.

viasa · Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:02 am

As I know Aviateca is "planeless"... But TACA Costa Rica (former Lacsa) has a "big" fleet, they have one A319-100, seven A320-200 and a single A321-200 (checked last month).

SJOtoLIR · Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:54 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 22):
TACA Costa Rica (former Lacsa) has a "big" fleet, they have one A319-100, seven A320-200 and a single A321-200 (checked last month).

Would you provide the source?
Except the 319s from Taca Peru already discussed, the rest of the airbus fleet is involved with TA: 5 Airbus 319, 22 Airbus 320 and 4 Airbus 321.
I am aware the planes are labeled as TACA, LACSA and so on.
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/TACA.htm
Regards.

viasa · Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:05 pm

Perhaps you haven't see that all TA planes have different country flags... so all with the flag of Costa Rica belongs to TACA Costa Rica (former LACSA). But the name on the plane is only TACA.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=TA&al_op=1

WesternA318 · Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:03 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 9):
No no no, you got it wrong... it's Co-pa-nen-tal

LMAO...

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 16):
It might not have been an old Convair but whatever it was looked like it lol. IIRC it was a low-wing prop plane. Anything in TACA colors that might fit this description?

LAN had Martin 202's and from what the book "Martinliners" says, TACA may ormay not have leased both Martins and Convairs during High Season traffic.

miamix707 · Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:00 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
Would you provide the source?
Except the 319s from Taca Peru already discussed, the rest of the airbus fleet is involved with TA: 5 Airbus 319, 22 Airbus 320 and 4 Airbus 321.
I am aware the planes are labeled as TACA, LACSA and so on.

IIRC no more planes are labeled LACSA

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 25):
LAN had Martin 202's and from what the book "Martinliners" says, TACA may ormay not have leased both Martins and Convairs during High Season traffic.

maybe that was what I saw..

The good news is the Gadair 757 has gotten Nicaragua titles so it looks like there will be a new airline in Nicaragua again.

WesternA318 · Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:14 am

Just out of curiosity...

Yesterday I was spotting at LAX with my gf and we saw (and photographed) a 737-200 with Aviacsa titles...whats their story?

SJOtoLIR · Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 26):
IIRC no more planes are labeled LACSA

I stand confused related to such planes due the sources are not consistent with themselves...
According with all that has been previously posted out, the conclusion is that LACSA has its own planes involved in GRUPO TACA, labeled as TACA and showing the Costa Rican flag...
Regards.

LTU932 · Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 28):
According with all that has been previously posted out, the conclusion is that LACSA has its own planes involved in GRUPO TACA, labeled as TACA and showing the Costa Rican flag...

That is correct. I believe only GU has a decal that shows that the aircraft flies for GU (it's on the engine), but none of the other TA aircraft have any LACSA decals to show that they fly for LR, just the Costa Rican flag.

miamix707 · Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:48 am

I knew I wasn't crazy, yet..

Here was the Convair I was talking about:

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Photo © Felipe Escalona - Aviation Photography of Panama

(emailed to me by Carlos, who I guess is not a member of a.net). Not sure who you are but thanks a lot!

It wasn't Sansa but panamanian Aeroperlas! (which thankfully seems to have ditched the ugly, Aerobrand-designed TACA scheme since).

LTU932 · Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:42 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 30):
It wasn't Sansa but panamanian Aeroperlas! (which thankfully seems to have ditched the ugly, Aerobrand-designed TACA scheme since).

Yeah, but RZ still uses that hideous TA livery. scared

miamix707 · Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 31):
Yeah, but RZ still uses that hideous TA livery.

Perhaps Sansa is still affiliated with Grupo Taca and Aeroperlas isn't? I have no clue, and too lazy to find out but it'd be interesting to see how many of these small regionals are/were part of or affiliated with TA.

Now that CO's share in Copa is so much lower I'm looking forward for them to get a decent paintscheme on their planes again. MIA is just so boring nowadays, all planes are blue and white.

carmenlu15 · Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 32):

Perhaps Sansa is still affiliated with Grupo Taca and Aeroperlas isn't?

I could swear Aeroperlas is still part of TA Regional... (at least the most recent pics show the ATRs in the standard TA livery) confused

LTU932 · Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 32):
Perhaps Sansa is still affiliated with Grupo Taca and Aeroperlas isn't?

No idea about the Aeroperlas part, but yes, RZ is afiliated with TA.

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Photo © Andrés Meneses
Notice the TA logo in front of the SANSA Regional decals. IMO RZ should go back to the old colourscheme they used on their DC-3s. Wink

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SJOtoLIR · Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 34):
RZ should go back to the old colourscheme they used on their DC-3s.

Lovely livery !!
AeroSur from Bolivia is currently offering schedule flights from Cochabamba to Salar de Uyuni on DC-3.

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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 32):
Perhaps Sansa is still affiliated with Grupo Taca and Aeroperlas isn't?

TACA REGIONAL involves the following Central American regional carriers:
(Inter or Regional ???) -- Guatemala
Isleña -- Honduras
La Costeña -- Nicaragua
Sansa -- Costa Rica
Aeroperlas -- Panama
http://www.tacaregional.com/index.html
I added one of my own photos at GLF Golfito, Costa Rica. February 2006. RZ: GLF-SJO.
Cessna Grand Caravan. Registered as HP-1359APP.

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aer · Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 6):
I think a couple of the ATRs have Guatemalan registration;

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
(Inter or Regional ???) -- Guatemala

Like GU, Inter only exists in papers.

miamix707 · Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:51 pm

ah thanks for that info SJO

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
IMO RZ should go back to the old colourscheme they used on their DC-3s.

Nice!!! now that's a livery on the DC3! gorgeous! Big grin

and notice the brand new (at the time) Lacsa A320 in the background!

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